What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Costanza:
Are the phone lines at 49ers headquarters lighting up yet?

Originally posted by wisecraft:
I love how Damon Bruce has advice for any gm in the NFL of not seeking Jimmy G. Between Ray Ratto and Damon Bruce, the show they put out is horrible. They have brought politics into their show and they act like their opinions are 100% accurate. I don't turn on a sports talk to get my politics told to me. Damon was fun about 15 years ago. Ratto tries to sound smart, if he was so smart he would eat better. Blow that show up.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Waiting makes no sense. None. Either you are confident now he will make a full recovery or you move on to different options. You don't say "hey let's sign none of the available QBs and trade for jimmy in June instead". Why?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I kinda lean with this thought more than teams holding off on his shoulder. Baker had shoulder surgery too no? Let's see if he moves.

Originally posted by wisecraft:
I love how Damon Bruce has advice for any gm in the NFL of not seeking Jimmy G. Between Ray Ratto and Damon Bruce, the show they put out is horrible. They have brought politics into their show and they act like their opinions are 100% accurate. I don't turn on a sports talk to get my politics told to me. Damon was fun about 15 years ago. Ratto tries to sound smart, if he was so smart he would eat better. Blow that show up.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trade JG for McCaffrey and set the NFL record for wins, yards, points and scoring margin.

Lance - MVP type season
McCaffrey - spell with Mitchell, Sermon to keep healthy
Juice - best FB
Deebo - best wide back
Aiyuk - gets on Deebo level
Trent - best LT
McG - comeback season
Kittle - best TE

Unstoppable, better than KC offense, achieved. Each game will be like that Bills game vs Patriots, we're the Bills.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trade JG for McCaffrey and set the NFL record for wins, yards, points and scoring margin.

Lance - MVP type season
McCaffrey - spell with Mitchell, Sermon to keep healthy
Juice - best FB
Deebo - best wide back
Aiyuk - gets on Deebo level
Trent - best LT
McG - comeback season
Kittle - best TE

Unstoppable, better than KC offense, achieved. Each game will be like that Bills game vs Patriots, we're the Bills.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
We made that move, though. The trade to get Lance was the move to get us over the hump because Jimmy was the guy holding us back.

but it means little if you keep this current wretched o line in tact and roll with it for this year.. we were also told they would surround trey with great talent.. the team still needs a running back. a second tight end cuz kittle is unreliable. a fast wide out. the team has been wonderful in fixing special teams but we still have jimmy. we have a wretched offensive line. gotta take care of those things. a get over the hump qb means little if you got him behind a nickle and dime o line

Our offensive line was at worst average at pass protection last year. We did just lose Tomlinson though.

Nope. Much worse in various stats. We really need to prioritize pass pro now -- for either trey or healed up jimmy -- with no real home run hitter to spice up our outside zone game anymore.

And Jimmy was bottom ten in the NFL in INT%. Does that mean he was the tenth worst QB? In the one stat that directly measures pass protection (pass block win rate), we were 14th.

What? I don't remember that. I remember looking at the collective stats and seeing us bottom ten is a few stats like pressure % and hit rate %.

When evaluating our OLine play you MUST look at % stats, because we pass the least amount of any team in the league by a mile.

Here, I'll do the quick search for you:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings



And rate IS a %. This IS pass block win PERCENTAGE.

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The error you are making is believing pressure rate and hit rate are the same as offensive line success or failure. Sometimes a QB is pressured because after his oline wins, he hesitates and buys the defense another opportunity to pressure him. Same thing with hit rate. The stat that measures how well your offensive line does is pass block win rate.

Just to help, hit rate % per passing attempts, the 9ers were 18th. Last year was our best year. But to your point, Laken is gone now.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
We made that move, though. The trade to get Lance was the move to get us over the hump because Jimmy was the guy holding us back.

but it means little if you keep this current wretched o line in tact and roll with it for this year.. we were also told they would surround trey with great talent.. the team still needs a running back. a second tight end cuz kittle is unreliable. a fast wide out. the team has been wonderful in fixing special teams but we still have jimmy. we have a wretched offensive line. gotta take care of those things. a get over the hump qb means little if you got him behind a nickle and dime o line

Our offensive line was at worst average at pass protection last year. We did just lose Tomlinson though.

Nope. Much worse in various stats. We really need to prioritize pass pro now -- for either trey or healed up jimmy -- with no real home run hitter to spice up our outside zone game anymore.

And Jimmy was bottom ten in the NFL in INT%. Does that mean he was the tenth worst QB? In the one stat that directly measures pass protection (pass block win rate), we were 14th.

What? I don't remember that. I remember looking at the collective stats and seeing us bottom ten is a few stats like pressure % and hit rate %.

When evaluating our OLine play you MUST look at % stats, because we pass the least amount of any team in the league by a mile.

Here, I'll do the quick search for you:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings



And rate IS a %. This IS pass block win PERCENTAGE.

.
.

The error you are making is believing pressure rate and hit rate are the same as offensive line success or failure. Sometimes a QB is pressured because after his oline wins, he hesitates and buys the defense another opportunity to pressure him. Same thing with hit rate. The stat that measures how well your offensive line does is pass block win rate.

Just to help, hit rate % per passing attempts, the 9ers were 18th. Last year was our best year. But to your point, Laken is gone now.

ok i am wrong.

we rank very well with advanced pass stats which i am surprised at.

this is the link

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm

Originally posted by NCommand:
TBF, those are cumulative stats. Down the stretch we seemed to drop off both in RB and PP. Rams especially.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.

I can see teams hesitating over him being injury prone, defensible in the amount of field you need to cover, wtf plays and too many interceptions, average at seeing the field, a tendency to shut down near the end of the biggest games, there is little chance he hasn't already reached his peak, and the fact nobody believes they can get more out of him than Kyle and this strong team already has.