What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

Ban yourself. You know common sense isn't welcome here.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was already a deal on the table but they want to wait until Jimmy reaches a certain point in his recovery. For example if it's 4-6 weeks after surgery and everything checks out and the recovery timeline is on track.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was already a deal on the table but they want to wait until Jimmy reaches a certain point in his recovery. For example if it's 4-6 weeks after surgery and everything checks out and the recovery timeline is on track.

I would also add k can't imagine a team waiting until may-June to have their guy so imo he would be traded by or during the draft no?

So are we trading him before the draft or we gonna have to hold out for a pick in next years draft?

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Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was already a deal on the table but they want to wait until Jimmy reaches a certain point in his recovery. For example if it's 4-6 weeks after surgery and everything checks out and the recovery timeline is on track.

I would also add k can't imagine a team waiting until may-June to have their guy so imo he would be traded by or during the draft no?

I would bet most of us would have a lesser talent in the wings who could be 3rd tier QB. What they want is higher tier but they want to be sure it works first.
To be able to judge how well JG can throw at 4-6 weeks post op…to me that seems really jumping the gun. His surgeon would not be amused.

As for waiting for 4-6 weeks to see if surgery went well, sure. But it would make more sense to be sure Jimmy could still throw with authority, somewhere in the range of how he was throwing when not injured. Recall he still had a torn thumb ligament besides.

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
So are we trading him before the draft or we gonna have to hold out for a pick in next years draft?

Definitely not getting anything this year. If indeed it is the surgery delaying this, no resolution to that until after the draft. If it is simply that no teams are interested, still no resolution until after the draft.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
So are we trading him before the draft or we gonna have to hold out for a pick in next years draft?

Definitely not getting anything this year. If indeed it is the surgery delaying this, no resolution to that until after the draft. If it is simply that no teams are interested, still no resolution until after the draft.

There you go…hurry up and wait. As far as not getting anything this yr in a trade, I already made that point pages ago, as a distinct possibility. But the counter to that might be if Team X wants to wait 4 months to make an educated decision, then it would cost them extra in the trade next yr.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

I agree with you from OUR stand point but not for a team trading for him.
Looking at it from any team but let's just take the Colts for example I don't see any way they wait till July to decide on there starting QB.
what if they wait till then and for whatever reason he can't go then there stuck without a Starting caliber QB, I think teams will want to be set shortly after the draft.
If his recovery progresses maybe he's moved on draft day but if not maybe he gets moved if another teams QB goes down with injury.

Just cut him - got to get him off the roster.

Waiting makes no sense. None. Either you are confident now he will make a full recovery or you move on to different options. You don't say "hey let's sign none of the available QBs and trade for jimmy in June instead". Why?

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A reread of the last 5 days shouts "Paciencia"…We are a group of 9er fans who all want something done yesterday, and who refuse to be patient.

In very simple terms, why on earth is there such need for doing something…anything….now? Jimmy is probably 12-16 weeks from throwing for an interested team.. Any team that wants him would be more than foolish to trade for him before knowing how he throws post op.

What on earth is so difficult about that to understand? If we changed places with the team that is interested, we'd be doing the same thing…due diligence.

And Jimmy didn't screw us with his surgery date. It was ALWAYs needed and no team would have taken him until knowing results of post op result.

Please, just hurry up and WAIT, and Jimmy's next home will be revealed. But right now everyone, like it or not, just has to wait. Nobody buys a wounded horse, you wait for it to heal up….and then see how it runs. That's where we are with JG, and whoever is interested, needs to be sure he can make all the throws…or at least , a majority of them.

My 2 cents is that this is all due to medical considerations and nothing more than that. The discussion with Colts could very well have happened tho NO ONE has any proof one way or the other. Logic says that would be a reasonable thing to have happened. So wait, already.

the main thing we are putting off is just re-signing Deebo and Nick B. They surely can wait another 3-4 mos. They are still getting enough money at present to pay for meals.

Could JG and F.O have had any discussion re: Jimmy's salary if he remains as a backup? Maybe. But for now, our tight lipped F O is doing its job and saying nothing which to me is what an F. O should be doing…saying nothing.

I agree with you from OUR stand point but not for a team trading for him.
Looking at it from any team but let's just take the Colts for example I don't see any way they wait till July to decide on there starting QB.
what if they wait till then and for whatever reason he can't go then there stuck without a Starting caliber QB, I think teams will want to be set shortly after the draft.
If his recovery progresses maybe he's moved on draft day but if not maybe he gets moved if another teams QB goes down with injury.

As noted in another post above, i would imagine the Colts have to have a lesser or 3rd tier on the line somewhere, as you say, backup. But They want somebody to take all their talent into the playoffs and Jimmy fits that need.

For Colts to protect themselves and for us to protect ourselves, should we get an offer from team Y , whose starting QB just sustained a season ending injury, I would guess Colts asked to be notified immediately and given a 2 hr grace period to take or decline Jimmy …and if a no, then we trade jimmy to Team Y.

Without that it just won't work for either team.

i mean, we are talking about hypothetical hypotheticals here.

As for a team going thru draft that needs a QB and doesn't get one…your point is well taken…and it puts the onus on that team with no QB who has to decide there and then…is it Jimmy or Humpty Dumbrowski from the Eastern Poland Football association?

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Waiting makes no sense. None. Either you are confident now he will make a full recovery or you move on to different options. You don't say "hey let's sign none of the available QBs and trade for jimmy in June instead". Why?

What's the rush from a team to trade for him now? The longer a team waits the more certainty they will get on Jimmy. The only motivation they will have to trade for him sooner would be if another team is looking to trade for him also (i.e. risk losing him).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
We made that move, though. The trade to get Lance was the move to get us over the hump because Jimmy was the guy holding us back.

but it means little if you keep this current wretched o line in tact and roll with it for this year.. we were also told they would surround trey with great talent.. the team still needs a running back. a second tight end cuz kittle is unreliable. a fast wide out. the team has been wonderful in fixing special teams but we still have jimmy. we have a wretched offensive line. gotta take care of those things. a get over the hump qb means little if you got him behind a nickle and dime o line

Our offensive line was at worst average at pass protection last year. We did just lose Tomlinson though.

Nope. Much worse in various stats. We really need to prioritize pass pro now -- for either trey or healed up jimmy -- with no real home run hitter to spice up our outside zone game anymore.

And Jimmy was bottom ten in the NFL in INT%. Does that mean he was the tenth worst QB? In the one stat that directly measures pass protection (pass block win rate), we were 14th.

What? I don't remember that. I remember looking at the collective stats and seeing us bottom ten is a few stats like pressure % and hit rate %.

When evaluating our OLine play you MUST look at % stats, because we pass the least amount of any team in the league by a mile.

Here, I'll do the quick search for you:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings



And rate IS a %. This IS pass block win PERCENTAGE.

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The error you are making is believing pressure rate and hit rate are the same as offensive line success or failure. Sometimes a QB is pressured because after his oline wins, he hesitates and buys the defense another opportunity to pressure him. Same thing with hit rate. The stat that measures how well your offensive line does is pass block win rate.

Just to help, hit rate % per passing attempts, the 9ers were 18th. Last year was our best year. But to your point, Laken is gone now.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Waiting makes no sense. None. Either you are confident now he will make a full recovery or you move on to different options. You don't say "hey let's sign none of the available QBs and trade for jimmy in June instead". Why?

I kinda lean with this thought more than teams holding off on his shoulder. Baker had shoulder surgery too no? Let's see if he moves.