Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree that Brock executed the offense better and produced better results. I'm not stupid.

However my biggest thing in this is I want the team to have as much information as possible when it comes to Brock and Trey.

8 games vs 4 games. One is more proven than the other but neither is enough proof at least for me.

I think Brock showed better play as a rookie than Jimmy G, both in terms of mobility and in decision making but a part of me has PTSD from when Jimmy came in went 5-0 and made our offense looks unstoppable even making the #1 defense that year in the Jags(how crazy it is to type that?) look foolish. I think we all recall how next season and the rest of Jimmy's career here went right?

There has been a clear improvement from Trey. Not only from the mechanics standpoint but also his ability to run the offense.

So I do want to see what Trey can do with the same guys as Brock so the team can make the best evaluation possible. The team hasn't had a top tier franchise QB in such a long time. We have to get this right(and to be fair none of these QBs may be that guy anyways) we'll have to wait and see.

I do wish that the team would make a strong stance on Trey. Sure he may not be your QB1 but don't let the guy get shredded in the media. Even if they are looking to trade him, letting that type of information ferment out there isn't good for anyone.

I am also terrified Pudy has a setback or gets hurt and then I'll be more upset because it ends up back at getting Lance experience and they seem to not care.

Isnt this somewhat inevitable? If BP can string together 8 more wins in a row I will be very shocked.
So really anything less than that is somewhat of a "setback". Expectations need to be realistic.
If he goes 6-2 will the fans be content?
if he goes 5-3 will the fans be out for blood?

Whats the real world expectation here?

I'm REALLY hoping Kyle learned from last season that despite his system he still needs a QB to run it. I don't blame him for the Brock injury but he will have to keep things like that in mind for this season and beyond.

Can't put your QB at risk. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and ironically all 3 of our QBs last year got hurt early in their games.

The only one that I don't think could be mitigated by Kyle is the Jimmy injury. If he just goes down vs trying to shake off 2 DLmen we may never see Brock play.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree that Brock executed the offense better and produced better results. I'm not stupid.

However my biggest thing in this is I want the team to have as much information as possible when it comes to Brock and Trey.

8 games vs 4 games. One is more proven than the other but neither is enough proof at least for me.

I think Brock showed better play as a rookie than Jimmy G, both in terms of mobility and in decision making but a part of me has PTSD from when Jimmy came in went 5-0 and made our offense looks unstoppable even making the #1 defense that year in the Jags(how crazy it is to type that?) look foolish. I think we all recall how next season and the rest of Jimmy's career here went right?

There has been a clear improvement from Trey. Not only from the mechanics standpoint but also his ability to run the offense.

So I do want to see what Trey can do with the same guys as Brock so the team can make the best evaluation possible. The team hasn't had a top tier franchise QB in such a long time. We have to get this right(and to be fair none of these QBs may be that guy anyways) we'll have to wait and see.

I do wish that the team would make a strong stance on Trey. Sure he may not be your QB1 but don't let the guy get shredded in the media. Even if they are looking to trade him, letting that type of information ferment out there isn't good for anyone.

I am also terrified Pudy has a setback or gets hurt and then I'll be more upset because it ends up back at getting Lance experience and they seem to not care.

Isnt this somewhat inevitable? If BP can string together 8 more wins in a row I will be very shocked.
So really anything less than that is somewhat of a "setback". Expectations need to be realistic.
If he goes 6-2 will the fans be content?
if he goes 5-3 will the fans be out for blood?

Whats the real world expectation here?

I'm REALLY hoping Kyle learned from last season that despite his system he still needs a QB to run it. I don't blame him for the Brock injury but he will have to keep things like that in mind for this season and beyond.

Can't put your QB at risk. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and ironically all 3 of our QBs last year got hurt early in their games.

The only one that I don't think could be mitigated by Kyle is the Jimmy injury. If he just goes down vs trying to shake off 2 DLmen we may never see Brock play.

I know and it is just s**t luck 99% of the time, but our streak of bad luck says something else is up we have not yet identified. Didn't Kyle turn over the entire strength and conditioning staff a few years back?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree that Brock executed the offense better and produced better results. I'm not stupid.

However my biggest thing in this is I want the team to have as much information as possible when it comes to Brock and Trey.

8 games vs 4 games. One is more proven than the other but neither is enough proof at least for me.

I think Brock showed better play as a rookie than Jimmy G, both in terms of mobility and in decision making but a part of me has PTSD from when Jimmy came in went 5-0 and made our offense looks unstoppable even making the #1 defense that year in the Jags(how crazy it is to type that?) look foolish. I think we all recall how next season and the rest of Jimmy's career here went right?

There has been a clear improvement from Trey. Not only from the mechanics standpoint but also his ability to run the offense.

So I do want to see what Trey can do with the same guys as Brock so the team can make the best evaluation possible. The team hasn't had a top tier franchise QB in such a long time. We have to get this right(and to be fair none of these QBs may be that guy anyways) we'll have to wait and see.

I do wish that the team would make a strong stance on Trey. Sure he may not be your QB1 but don't let the guy get shredded in the media. Even if they are looking to trade him, letting that type of information ferment out there isn't good for anyone.

I am also terrified Pudy has a setback or gets hurt and then I'll be more upset because it ends up back at getting Lance experience and they seem to not care.

Isnt this somewhat inevitable? If BP can string together 8 more wins in a row I will be very shocked.
So really anything less than that is somewhat of a "setback". Expectations need to be realistic.
If he goes 6-2 will the fans be content?
if he goes 5-3 will the fans be out for blood?

Whats the real world expectation here?

I'm REALLY hoping Kyle learned from last season that despite his system he still needs a QB to run it. I don't blame him for the Brock injury but he will have to keep things like that in mind for this season and beyond.

Can't put your QB at risk. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and ironically all 3 of our QBs last year got hurt early in their games.

The only one that I don't think could be mitigated by Kyle is the Jimmy injury. If he just goes down vs trying to shake off 2 DLmen we may never see Brock play.

KS's ego won't allow him to learn lessons via his mistakes.

Look at the superbowl similarities as OC & HC, look at QB injuries as far back as RG3.

Look at passing up on Mahomes & Watson for Thomas & Beathard, it was HIS job to know.

Look at handing over 3 first round picks and a third round pick for a bust (in KS's mind)

We are supposed to be a QB away!

Well...

Originally posted by glorydayz:
KS's ego won't allow him to learn lessons via his mistakes.

Look at the superbowl similarities as OC & HC, look at QB injuries as far back as RG3.

Look at passing up on Mahomes & Watson for Thomas & Beathard, it was HIS job to know.

Look at handing over 3 first round picks and a third round pick for a bust (in KS's mind)

We are supposed to be a QB away!

Well...

this thread, lol

We should have given away another two years worth of first round picks and a second to move up to number 1 and selected T. Lawrence rather than throwing away 3 first rounders for a bust QB.

Or we should have kept our picks and signed Darnold & Allen of the street since they are soooo good. We could have probably drafted a tackle or two with a few of those picks not to mention Parsons to play on the other side of Bosa.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I know and it is just s**t luck 99% of the time, but our streak of bad luck says something else is up we have not yet identified. Didn't Kyle turn over the entire strength and conditioning staff a few years back?

Yeah they did, I believe they adopted a similar system that the warriors run - in regards to their strength and conditioning programs.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

I agree that Brock executed the offense better and produced better results. I'm not stupid.

However my biggest thing in this is I want the team to have as much information as possible when it comes to Brock and Trey.

8 games vs 4 games. One is more proven than the other but neither is enough proof at least for me.

I think Brock showed better play as a rookie than Jimmy G, both in terms of mobility and in decision making but a part of me has PTSD from when Jimmy came in went 5-0 and made our offense looks unstoppable even making the #1 defense that year in the Jags(how crazy it is to type that?) look foolish. I think we all recall how next season and the rest of Jimmy's career here went right?

There has been a clear improvement from Trey. Not only from the mechanics standpoint but also his ability to run the offense.

So I do want to see what Trey can do with the same guys as Brock so the team can make the best evaluation possible. The team hasn't had a top tier franchise QB in such a long time. We have to get this right(and to be fair none of these QBs may be that guy anyways) we'll have to wait and see.

I do wish that the team would make a strong stance on Trey. Sure he may not be your QB1 but don't let the guy get shredded in the media. Even if they are looking to trade him, letting that type of information ferment out there isn't good for anyone.

I am also terrified Pudy has a setback or gets hurt and then I'll be more upset because it ends up back at getting Lance experience and they seem to not care.

Isnt this somewhat inevitable? If BP can string together 8 more wins in a row I will be very shocked.
So really anything less than that is somewhat of a "setback". Expectations need to be realistic.
If he goes 6-2 will the fans be content?
if he goes 5-3 will the fans be out for blood?

Whats the real world expectation here?

I'm REALLY hoping Kyle learned from last season that despite his system he still needs a QB to run it. I don't blame him for the Brock injury but he will have to keep things like that in mind for this season and beyond.

Can't put your QB at risk. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and ironically all 3 of our QBs last year got hurt early in their games.

The only one that I don't think could be mitigated by Kyle is the Jimmy injury. If he just goes down vs trying to shake off 2 DLmen we may never see Brock play.

I don't blame Kyle for Purdy getting hurt. I mean, there are plenty of other play calls where even if we have everything structured right, something bad can still happen. No one is going to be perfect all the time in how they call the game or setup plays. Kyle is among the best at this and I think he does what he can to protect our guy better while still trying to win the game. I think what happened all went down so early, unfortunately there was no "ah I need to adjust" moment.. Brock was done.

I don't know what would've happened if Jimmy or Trey would've been healthy enough to come in. I won't speculate on that.

With all of the above said though, and kind of transitioning to another train of thought here, I can't for even one second believe that we are better off trading Lance before the season when Brock got injured twice himself in what, 9 games? Do we really want to put all our eggs in the Sam-I-am "Turning it Over" Darnold basket? It would be a totally unnecessary risk and make us look so foolish, IMO. I've heard quite a few saying we should just get rid of him now but I can't disagree more. Trey knows this offense, you cannot say for the other guys that just got here. Not only that, he is pretty easily the superior athlete to pretty much everyone in this QB group. If we got stuck in a bad situation with not only Brock out but also had OL injuries, we could really use some extra mobility.

Ultimate point is that Trey gives you a lot of things as the #2 that make him worth a lot more to us this season that I think some are willing to admit.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
KS's ego won't allow him to learn lessons via his mistakes.

Look at the superbowl similarities as OC & HC, look at QB injuries as far back as RG3.

Look at passing up on Mahomes & Watson for Thomas & Beathard, it was HIS job to know.

Look at handing over 3 first round picks and a third round pick for a bust (in KS's mind)

We are supposed to be a QB away!

Well...

It's really hard to justify this opinion with what's actually happening at the QB position. He's demonstrating the opposite.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'm REALLY hoping Kyle learned from last season that despite his system he still needs a QB to run it. I don't blame him for the Brock injury but he will have to keep things like that in mind for this season and beyond.

Can't put your QB at risk. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and ironically all 3 of our QBs last year got hurt early in their games.

The only one that I don't think could be mitigated by Kyle is the Jimmy injury. If he just goes down vs trying to shake off 2 DLmen we may never see Brock play.

I can't blame him for Purdy or Jimmy's injury. I do hold him responsible for Trey's though. To me that was mismanagement on multiple fronts, and a disaster for Trey and our team (though we appear to have found a parachute in terms of the team consequences).

Originally posted by libertyforever:
So we agree Brock is far better than Trey.

The problem with your take is Trey is competing with Darnold at QB2. If Kyle is still high on Trey, Trey would be QB2 (take all of QB1 reps when Brock is resting) and Kyle wouldn't have give so many reps to Allen and Darnold.

Sorry to interject,...but there is no problem at all. FOOTBALL IS LIFE. It'll all play out on the field.

I haven't seen anyone here demand that Trey take a weekend off in Vegas be given the starting job "just because."

So there is no need or cause for fuss. Camp battles should be enjoyment since 100% of the guys are 49ers.

The anger as we compete against other teams in a couple months is alot more warranted. Something's very odd about this thread and why it's so popular amongst fans that have supposedly given up on Trey,....yet 90% of their posts are in this thread when we have QBs like Darnold and Brock to chime in about.

Originally posted by krizay:
Not all completions are the same. Case in point,...

There is no need to really point this out. Everyone here knows that not all completions are the same. I can assure you that the coaches are on top of it all.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree that Brock executed the offense better and produced better results. I'm not stupid.

However my biggest thing in this is I want the team to have as much information as possible when it comes to Brock and Trey.

8 games vs 4 games. One is more proven than the other but neither is enough proof at least for me.

I think Brock showed better play as a rookie than Jimmy G, both in terms of mobility and in decision making but a part of me has PTSD from when Jimmy came in went 5-0 and made our offense looks unstoppable even making the #1 defense that year in the Jags(how crazy it is to type that?) look foolish. I think we all recall how next season and the rest of Jimmy's career here went right?

There has been a clear improvement from Trey. Not only from the mechanics standpoint but also his ability to run the offense.

So I do want to see what Trey can do with the same guys as Brock so the team can make the best evaluation possible. The team hasn't had a top tier franchise QB in such a long time. We have to get this right(and to be fair none of these QBs may be that guy anyways) we'll have to wait and see.

I do wish that the team would make a strong stance on Trey. Sure he may not be your QB1 but don't let the guy get shredded in the media. Even if they are looking to trade him, letting that type of information ferment out there isn't good for anyone.

I am also terrified Pudy has a setback or gets hurt and then I'll be more upset because it ends up back at getting Lance experience and they seem to not care.

Isnt this somewhat inevitable? If BP can string together 8 more wins in a row I will be very shocked.
So really anything less than that is somewhat of a "setback". Expectations need to be realistic.
If he goes 6-2 will the fans be content?
if he goes 5-3 will the fans be out for blood?

Whats the real world expectation here?

I'm REALLY hoping Kyle learned from last season that despite his system he still needs a QB to run it. I don't blame him for the Brock injury but he will have to keep things like that in mind for this season and beyond.

Can't put your QB at risk. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and ironically all 3 of our QBs last year got hurt early in their games.

The only one that I don't think could be mitigated by Kyle is the Jimmy injury. If he just goes down vs trying to shake off 2 DLmen we may never see Brock play.

I know and it is just s**t luck 99% of the time, but our streak of bad luck says something else is up we have not yet identified. Didn't Kyle turn over the entire strength and conditioning staff a few years back?

Idk about other positions. But the QB position seems to me that they are not coached on how or when to protect themselves.

Brock wasn't afraid to throw the ball away when he knew the play was dead, Trey and even moreso Jimmy seemed reluctant to do the same. Which means that Brock was probably coached that somewhere else.

Another thing is, you never see our QB's slide. Why is that not utilized? I see QB's draw penalties all the time from just knowing when and how to slide.

Jimmy tore his ACL trying to juke a defender on the sideline instead of just getting out of bounds for crying out loud. Both Jimmy and Trey thought they could carry 2 defensive lineman on their backs this past season. Trey tries to take defenders head on. Anyone remember the Arizona game?

Simply put, our QB's play with reckless abandon and that is a coaching issue with Shanahan. Don't get me wrong. I love Shanahan and don't want to see him go but he has to recognize this and change it.

Brock's elbow injury was a pretty rare occurence. It was a playaction bootleg moving away from Reddick's side. Reddick completely abandoned his run fit which allowed him to use ?Dwelley?'s momentum against him. Which tells me that Reddick either gambled on that it was a pass and not a run or he saw a tell on film. But...I guess we'll never know.

Originally posted by Jcool:

"The 49ers feel that Trey Lance had a good offseason and he's more prepared than he's ever been..

They think that he's made a lot of progress and let's see how the rest of this summer plays out" ~ @AdamSchefter #PMSLive pic.twitter.com/si7YjgO0Rw

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) August 2, 2023

I think Trey will look good in the preseason. I feel like all of our guys will look good, but I guess it also depends on what skill players are out there - but we have some solid bubble WRs and RB, it's the O line they should be scared to be behind. It'll be interesting to see which QBs we play and the time they get with the groups. You have to imagine that Trey and darnold will get a lot of reps in preseason.

I've never really put much stock into the preseason, I mean the teams don't even game plan, they really only run vanilla plays. I just view it as the time to see how the guys who are on the bubble look, it's really for them and to get everyone else a few live reps before the year starts.

Originally posted by Jcool:

"The 49ers feel that Trey Lance had a good offseason and he's more prepared than he's ever been..

They think that he's made a lot of progress and let's see how the rest of this summer plays out" ~ @AdamSchefter #PMSLive pic.twitter.com/si7YjgO0Rw

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) August 2, 2023

Schefter is biased so can't take what he says seriously…..oh wait…