Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TL nugget here from the Iron sharpens Iron QB edition:

"Carta-Samuels talks a lot about the direction a quarterback is leaning when he throws, explaining, "It has to do with body weight. So like, if I'm leaning to the right, to my throwing side, while I'm throwing the ball, I'm increasing the weight that I have on my back foot, and the throw is a turn, not a push. So as I'm leaning right and turning through that back foot...you'll feel that foot chew the ground up a little bit. And that, in and of itself, is ground force...That's taking power from the ground, whereas Trey has been so high forever, and you can see it in everything he does, so he's so light that there's nothing happening in the ground. And he's starting to get a little bit of that. That's what's starting to change. But before, 150% arm-based thrower all the time. And then, he admitted it in his interview the other day when he was like, 'I was throwing, throwing, throwing, throwing' because he was trying to get a better feel for it, not understanding that you have to work smarter, bud, not harder."

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/26/23738380/49ers-news-trey-lance-brock-purdy-sam-darnold-quarterback-offseason-otas-glimpse-charted-throws-nfl

So is he saying that Lance can rework everything and trust it in 3 months? If so, that's really good news. But I'm sure if he's saying he can teach it in 3 months or it can be learned adopted in 3 months. Either way, it's cool Lance is figuring out his body and making the proper adjustments. This guy said to stay patient with Lance but im just glad he's going in the right direction. If he gets more power in his throws, he's going to catch a murder case. Lol he'll have a mega power cannon

Just to add to this. He also said:
"Carta-Samuels said Lance needs to learn how his body works, because he is, essentially, having to unlearn things due to his being asked to do things that are very different from what he was asked to do in college. Carta-Samuels said Lance, "doesn't trust himself to do some of the things he's being asked to do." It stands to reason. If Lance is truly needing to be reprogrammed, how could he trust himself at this point? This is one of the reasons the 49ers (and fans) need to be patient with the young QB.

Cohn asked the former quarterback how long it took him to unlearn what he had been taught. "It took me two and a half, three years," Carta-Samuels said, "but now I can do it for guys in three months."

Originally posted by tankle104:

https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

It's clear to anyone who is not biased towards Trey. Kyle literally would have to say "Trey sucks and we don't believe in him" for them to get it.

These guys would be called racists and be accused of arguing in bad faith if they said this here

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

It's clear to anyone who is not biased towards Trey. Kyle literally would have to say "Trey sucks and we don't believe in him" for them to get it.

These guys would be called racists and be accused of arguing in bad faith if they said this here

I'd be curious when these people/players he knows in the organization said it to him. If it was before or after his new improved mechanics/throwing motion. I imagine before. I wonder if those guys will change their opinion if he looks a lot better now.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TL nugget here from the Iron sharpens Iron QB edition:

"Carta-Samuels talks a lot about the direction a quarterback is leaning when he throws, explaining, "It has to do with body weight. So like, if I'm leaning to the right, to my throwing side, while I'm throwing the ball, I'm increasing the weight that I have on my back foot, and the throw is a turn, not a push. So as I'm leaning right and turning through that back foot...you'll feel that foot chew the ground up a little bit. And that, in and of itself, is ground force...That's taking power from the ground, whereas Trey has been so high forever, and you can see it in everything he does, so he's so light that there's nothing happening in the ground. And he's starting to get a little bit of that. That's what's starting to change. But before, 150% arm-based thrower all the time. And then, he admitted it in his interview the other day when he was like, 'I was throwing, throwing, throwing, throwing' because he was trying to get a better feel for it, not understanding that you have to work smarter, bud, not harder."

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/26/23738380/49ers-news-trey-lance-brock-purdy-sam-darnold-quarterback-offseason-otas-glimpse-charted-throws-nfl

So is he saying that Lance can rework everything and trust it in 3 months? If so, that's really good news. But I'm sure if he's saying he can teach it in 3 months or it can be learned adopted in 3 months. Either way, it's cool Lance is figuring out his body and making the proper adjustments. This guy said to stay patient with Lance but im just glad he's going in the right direction. If he gets more power in his throws, he's going to catch a murder case. Lol he'll have a mega power cannon

Just to add to this. He also said:
"Carta-Samuels said Lance needs to learn how his body works, because he is, essentially, having to unlearn things due to his being asked to do things that are very different from what he was asked to do in college. Carta-Samuels said Lance, "doesn't trust himself to do some of the things he's being asked to do." It stands to reason. If Lance is truly needing to be reprogrammed, how could he trust himself at this point? This is one of the reasons the 49ers (and fans) need to be patient with the young QB.

Cohn asked the former quarterback how long it took him to unlearn what he had been taught. "It took me two and a half, three years," Carta-Samuels said, "but now I can do it for guys in three months."

this is why I say I'm fine if he sits year 3, and gets everything right
may not be a popular stance, but I'd rather him get it all the way it should be, rather than kinda try and figure it on the fly
Rodgers and Love sat year 3, so there is precedent, no harm in that if it's what he needs to succeed

now if he can get it all and shine right away, bring it on, I am just saying if not, that is okay too

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

It's clear to anyone who is not biased towards Trey. Kyle literally would have to say "Trey sucks and we don't believe in him" for them to get it.

These guys would be called racists and be accused of arguing in bad faith if they said this here

I'd be curious when these people/players he knows in the organization said it to him. If it was before or after his new improved mechanics/throwing motion. I imagine before. I wonder if those guys will change their opinion if he looks a lot better now.

I think there'd be more optimism if they felt like he was that close. If you can't play, or aren't ready to atm, throwing with better mechanics isn't going to do much, and that's how I think the players feel, that he's just not close to ready

Mike Silver (who was right about Treys arm fatigue) has also reported on the 49ers being worried about Trey, and players "taking shots" at Trey after his injury saying they are better with Jimmy

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

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It's clear to anyone who is not biased towards Trey. Kyle literally would have to say "Trey sucks and we don't believe in him" for them to get it.

These guys would be called racists and be accused of arguing in bad faith if they said this here

I'd be curious when these people/players he knows in the organization said it to him. If it was before or after his new improved mechanics/throwing motion. I imagine before. I wonder if those guys will change their opinion if he looks a lot better now.

I think there'd be more optimism if they felt like he was that close. If you can't play, or aren't ready to atm, throwing with better mechanics isn't going to do much, and that's how I think the players feel, that he's just not close to ready

Mike Silver (who was right about Treys arm fatigue) has also reported on the 49ers being worried about Trey, and players "taking shots" at Trey after his injury saying they are better with Jimmy

Well I don't think anyone would argue that the team was much better with Jimmy, but that's just because he was a known product and Lance is so inexperienced and raw. Kyle was playing the long game by starting him. Trying to get him developed

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

It's clear to anyone who is not biased towards Trey. Kyle literally would have to say "Trey sucks and we don't believe in him" for them to get it.

These guys would be called racists and be accused of arguing in bad faith if they said this here

I'd be curious when these people/players he knows in the organization said it to him. If it was before or after his new improved mechanics/throwing motion. I imagine before. I wonder if those guys will change their opinion if he looks a lot better now.

These former players on TV not only love to still seem relevant, they are also paid to b******t for however long they're on. Sure, they're friends with guys on every team and in every front office, but can never say who and are rarely accurate about what they say. They are literally b******t artists.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
These former players on TV not only love to still seem relevant, they are also paid to b******t for however long they're on. Sure, they're friends with guys on every team and in every front office, but can never say who and are rarely accurate about what they say. They are literally b******t artists.

I always had the feeling a lot of the players felt that way, tbh. In their interviews and body language, that's my interpretation though. I actually hope no one feels that.

regardless of if they have or not - if he went out and played well, the narrative would change

Originally posted by tankle104:
The rain came down throughout the game but it wasn't bad until the fourth. I personally think Trey looked terrible all game. There was nothing good about that game from the entire offense.

I think the rain is a valid excuse in the fourth, before that, I don't think it is. my biggest issue with using the rain is you draft someone like him because his physical skill set is suppose to give you an edge in those situations. His arm strength helps penetrate the wind/rain better than someone like Purdy. Then his running ability should add an extra element to make him even more difficult to stop in those situations. The offense managed what 3 points going into the fourth or so? That means we didn't move the ball at all. How is that good? Once the rain came down super hard, that's where I get his poor play. I also don't completely blame Lance, the offense just didn't play well and had poor chemistry/focus. Deebos fumble was huge too.

Outside of the fourth, the bears were dealing with the same conditions but had a far inferior team to ours but because their qb used his legs like he was drafted to, he figured out a way to score.

im not singling Lance out here but I'm super confused how you think he played well? He had some of the worst misses I've ever seen.

yeah, now we know his finger injury played a part in that and I understand that, but doesn't change the fact he played really bad. The other difficult part to this is that it isn't his only time playing like that. He did the same thing against the cards in his first start and that was perfect weather. Then he couldn't muster the offense to do anything, scoring wise till the third quarter against the Texans. I personally blame that on a qb, especially when two other guys played and were much more productive.

i don't believe it's telling of how Lance alwyas will be, I think it exemplifies how inexperienced he is running an offense productively. He needs to play a lot more, that goes for any qb that's inexperienced- not just Lance.

i just take issue with people acting like he played well when he only had a couple nice plays out of a 100 pass attempts and was mainly ineffective running the ball. That isn't good.

Im rooting for him and am excited about him and his new throwing motion/mechanics . I think he will make a big jump. I just don't understand how anyone has watched, then rewatched those games, and feel like he played well?
14 ppg, 55% completion percentage 2 TD 3 INT (both tds came against Houston. So he was scoreless in 2/3 games). The context to the games definitely matter and the weather was an issue in Chicago.

you realize only the colts & jags his rookie year (maybe one other team, dolphins? I think - all horrible teams that year) had worst offensive performances scoring wise against those Texans? That Texans team was horrific and he had a subpar showing when you really add context to it.

Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/BPLEl_8iUFY
damn, go to the 4:45 Mark.

MJD said that he has friends on the roster and front office that he said weren't too high on him.
MJD said "I haven't seen no game with Trey Lance where I thought there was some talent. I have a lot of homeboys that still play for the 49ers and in the front office (he wouldn't say names), they didn't tell him that he didn't have it, but they wouldn't say he did have "it"."

interesting, obviously this doesn't mean much but interesting he's hearing that.

edit: I think it's lesean McCoy lol

LeSean McCoy is a b******t artist who loves hearing himself talk. He said a bunch of other stupid crap earlier last season that people ripped apart.

Dude is the worst analyst on that show and that's saying something cuz it includes the other idiot who kept sucking off Tua until we broke him, whose name escapes me right now.

Originally posted by genus49:
Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

How is it an exaggeration? Honestly? Less than 50% completion? 0 touchdowns 1 int? Multiple wide open misses?
If you're going to sit here and say he had like 3/4 good
Throws and that's a good game, then you're the one exaggerating.

i love how one qb, on the extremely inferior team figured it out, but Trey didn't have a bad game. Let's just say he had an okay game. The other two starts weren't good either. I've said it a million times - in 12 quarters of play, he's lead the offense to a touchdown in 1.5 of it? Complete half his passes in a very favorable offense?

Blows my mind how some people watch those games and think he did good. It's fantasy land. Either that or you and I have drastically different views Of a good game because in nearly every single metric league wide across lances three games - he is near the bottom of the league.there Is literally no statistic you can point out that Trey did well in across his three games?

was he accurate? No
did he score touchdowns? No
did he convert most 3rd down conversions? No
Did he turn the ball over every game? Yes
So on and so forth. Taking a couple nice passes and trying to say that's a good game is weird and nonsense, unless your bar for a good game is ridiculously low.

What I don't understand is this:

everyone agrees that jimmy had a god awful game against the broncos this year. We put up 10 points and lost a game we should have won.

Jimmy threw 62% 1 TD & 1 INT with 211 yards. Offense scored 10 pts.

He had a bad game, no doubt. Yet that's essentially treys stats in 2/3 of his starts but with 10-12% higher completion percentage and a touchdown. Offense couldn't put up more than 10 and he turned the ball over (same as with trey). That's almost identical to 2/3 of lances starts but with a higher completion % and a touchdown. Yet jimmy had a bad game and Trey didn't? Trey didn't put up essentially any points against the worst defense in football (Texans) until midway through the third but he had a good game? Which every team they played but 3 put up more points on them than we did

i believe trey will become a much better quarterback than this small sample size but people acting like he had good games is mind boggling. Have 4-5 nice passes in a game isn't good. Not scoring isn't good. Not completing passes isn't good. Turning over the ball isn't good. I honestly just don't get it and it's annoying when someone says I'm exaggerating about it?

Originally posted by tankle104:
What I don't understand is this:

everyone agrees that jimmy had a god awful game against the broncos this year. We put up 10 points and lost a game we should have won.

Jimmy threw 62% 1 TD & 1 INT with 211 yards. Offense scored 10 pts.

He had a bad game, no doubt. Yet that's essentially treys stats in 2/3 of his starts but with 10-12% higher completion percentage and a touchdown. Offense couldn't put up more than 10 and he turned the ball over (same as with trey). That's almost identical to 2/3 of lances starts but with a higher completion % and a touchdown. Yet jimmy had a bad game and Trey didn't? Trey didn't put up essentially any points against the worst defense in football (Texans) until midway through the third but he had a good game? Which every team they played but 3 put up more points on them than we did

i believe trey will become a much better quarterback than this small sample size but people acting like he had good games is mind boggling. Have 4-5 nice passes in a game isn't good. Not scoring isn't good. Not completing passes isn't good. Turning over the ball isn't good. I honestly just don't get it and it's annoying when someone says I'm exaggerating about it?

All I can say about that game is jimmy had an off-season of nothing, then thrown into Seahawks game & has to start the next week. Not making excuses but that was essentially still preseason mode for him.

Now he's a vet and all those things but still

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that but the bold part is exactly the over the top exaggeration about Trey that I'm talking about happening.

I posted tweets/vids from before kickoff earlier in this thread, if you care you can find them. The field was soaked before the opening kickoff. Footing was an issue, the ball even during the moments where the rain wasn't coming down super hard would be wet from touching the ground before the snap.

Both QBs clearly struggled with throws, especially quick ones.

49ers had 3 new starters on the IOL, 3 nfl starts between all of them. Trent Williams had his worst game of the year and had a 5th round rookie have a career game against him and call him out for tipping plays.

Our starting RB got injured in the first half.

Yet you think Lance didn't play well all game…

first drive. Trey 2/2 for 37 yards and converts a 3rd down running. Deebo fumbles in the red one.

Trey led the team in rushing and had several big time throws that are likely TDs if not for the footing on the field. Both McCloud and Jennings couldn't stay in bounds on that field.

You had Trey making big time plays like the anticipation throw to Aiyuk on which they ruled OPI but he still made the throw. Then picked up a 3rd and 13 running.

It was not a pretty game but claiming he didn't do anything well is a joke. PFF even had him charted as having the highest big time throws of all QBs week 1 and you can argue about it being skewed cuz he didn't have a ton of attempts but given the conditions and play of our OL that's still far from "looking terrible all game"

So no matter how you want to spin "I'm not hating on Trey" your posts pain a different picture since you're definitely bending over backwards to make it sound like he played worse than he did.

How is it an exaggeration? Honestly? Less than 50% completion? 0 touchdowns 1 int? Multiple wide open misses?
If you're going to sit here and say he had like 3/4 good
Throws and that's a good game, then you're the one exaggerating.

i love how one qb, on the extremely inferior team figured it out, but Trey didn't have a bad game. Let's just say he had an okay game. The other two starts weren't good either. I've said it a million times - in 12 quarters of play, he's lead the offense to a touchdown in 1.5 of it? Complete half his passes in a very favorable offense?

Blows my mind how some people watch those games and think he did good. It's fantasy land. Either that or you and I have drastically different views Of a good game because in nearly every single metric league wide across lances three games - he is near the bottom of the league.there Is literally no statistic you can point out that Trey did well in across his three games?

was he accurate? No
did he score touchdowns? No
did he convert most 3rd down conversions? No
Did he turn the ball over every game? Yes
So on and so forth. Taking a couple nice passes and trying to say that's a good game is weird and nonsense, unless your bar for a good game is ridiculously low.

Justin Fields didn't "figure it out", lol. This is precisely the trouble with the small sample size we've gotten from Trey. I suppose if Fields had as small a size everyone would anoint him the next great thing. The one thing every single quarterback that has ever played in the NFL has in common is that all of them are capable of having a great day or a bad day. I remember when Randall Cunningham made Steve Young look like Tim Tebow, one year, right before Steve won the Super Bowl. Stop it with that.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tankle104:
What I don't understand is this:

everyone agrees that jimmy had a god awful game against the broncos this year. We put up 10 points and lost a game we should have won.

Jimmy threw 62% 1 TD & 1 INT with 211 yards. Offense scored 10 pts.

He had a bad game, no doubt. Yet that's essentially treys stats in 2/3 of his starts but with 10-12% higher completion percentage and a touchdown. Offense couldn't put up more than 10 and he turned the ball over (same as with trey). That's almost identical to 2/3 of lances starts but with a higher completion % and a touchdown. Yet jimmy had a bad game and Trey didn't? Trey didn't put up essentially any points against the worst defense in football (Texans) until midway through the third but he had a good game? Which every team they played but 3 put up more points on them than we did

i believe trey will become a much better quarterback than this small sample size but people acting like he had good games is mind boggling. Have 4-5 nice passes in a game isn't good. Not scoring isn't good. Not completing passes isn't good. Turning over the ball isn't good. I honestly just don't get it and it's annoying when someone says I'm exaggerating about it?

All I can say about that game is jimmy had an off-season of nothing, then thrown into Seahawks game & has to start the next week. Not making excuses but that was essentially still preseason mode for him.

Now he's a vet and all those things but still

That's my point - Jimmie's preseason form without practicing all off season is what Trey displayed. Which isn't good. My whole point to saying this isn't that Trey is a bad QBs and will always be. I'm saying he played bad in his games. At best he played "okay" in the Texans game and bad in the other two, IMO.