Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think it was all lower body stuff that they were focusing on.

Which is exactly what he needs to work on….when someone says something about his throwing motion and it being related to inaccurate passes…it's like nails on a chalk board for me lol. People that complain about that, have no idea what they're talking about.

Lance has tattoos on his arm like Kap so maybe his release looks like Kap's release to them.

Tattoos and he's black

kap's issue IMO was he didn't see the field well and didn't throwing with anticipation. Dude could still play and clearly was black balled.

Eh, Kap's windup and release were longer to me than Trey's. Trey has a somewhat long windup but his release isn't actually slow. He's slow in the rest of the throwing phase, as far as I can tell (you can tell when he sees the open guy, and then there's often times this weird delay before he even starts throwing, adding unnecessary hitches. It's almost like he's gauging the distance). But the release isn't as slow as people think.

I agree about Kap's windup looking longer. The way Lance brings it low prior to the actual release seems like a wasted movement, but if you were to actually time the release with a stopwatch, my guess is Lance's isn't slow overall when compared to other QBs. But, I don't know much about QB mechanics.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fields is a stud in fantasy football, not as a legit QB. They weren't even 100% sold on keeping him and drafting another QB. They finally got some sense and realized they need to let him develop more (and put talent around him). Overall he's still not processing quickly enough…but he has improved because he actually played.

No idea how someone could have watched Fields the last two years and concluded that he IS a stud. Dude is the s**ts.

Now, he can improve. That's always possible. But what we have seen so far is garbage.

I have DJ Moore in one of my dynasty leagues trying to trade him ASAP

Smart.

Originally posted by thl408:
I agree about Kap's windup looking longer. The way Lance brings it low prior to the actual release seems like a wasted movement, but if you were to actually time the release with a stopwatch, my guess is Lance's isn't slow overall when compared to other QBs. But, I don't know much about QB mechanics.

He's got fast hands. At least that's what QB guru have said when talking about it. The throwing motion isn't an issue. He even tightened it up a little when he came into camp this yr.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fields is a stud in fantasy football, not as a legit QB. They weren't even 100% sold on keeping him and drafting another QB. They finally got some sense and realized they need to let him develop more (and put talent around him). Overall he's still not processing quickly enough…but he has improved because he actually played.

No idea how someone could have watched Fields the last two years and concluded that he IS a stud. Dude is the s**ts.

Now, he can improve. That's always possible. But what we have seen so far is garbage.

strictly as a passer he hit the following

60%
5.3 td %
3.5 int %
85 rated

those aren't bad, and it's hard not to forecast a big jump with a full season, DJ Moore, Claypool and him getting more experience, remember it was a 3 win team, with no real talent around him, aside from maybe Mooney / Kmet

I saw him late as he started going through the season, making plays strictly from the pocket including dime TD passes, we can only hope TL gets this productive, when you factor the run ability, which is part of his style and his production, he had a historic season #2 in NFL history in rush yds.. so more rush yds in a season than Vick ever did

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It was in with those convos when you said there is no chance CLE starts Brisset while Watson is out. This was in JG thread all last offseason, where the QB discussion was taking place. Ppl said that same processing line last offseason about Hurts.

TL is a question mark, would you put JF in the same bucket as TL? only other option is stud or dud.

And that conversation has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You called fields a stud, which has nothing to do with comparing him to Lance. I said he's not a stud as a NFL QB yet. He's a good fantasy football player at this pt.

I leave the QB thread for a couple days. Come back and it's the same nonsense lol

Still talking about nothing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It was in with those convos when you said there is no chance CLE starts Brisset while Watson is out. This was in JG thread all last offseason, where the QB discussion was taking place. Ppl said that same processing line last offseason about Hurts.

TL is a question mark, would you put JF in the same bucket as TL? only other option is stud or dud.

And that conversation has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You called fields a stud, which has nothing to do with comparing him to Lance. I said he's not a stud as a NFL QB yet. He's a good fantasy football player at this pt.

Hey I would take it if TL is a good fantasy player. That means he's getting a lot of yards and touchdowns irl. Sign me up.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
strictly as a passer he hit the following

60%
5.3 td %
3.5 int %
85 rated

those aren't bad, and it's hard not to forecast a big jump with a full season, DJ Moore, Claypool and him getting more experience, remember it was a 3 win team, with no real talent around him, aside from maybe Mooney / Kmet

I saw him late as he started going through the season, making plays strictly from the pocket including dime TD passes, we can only hope TL gets this productive, when you factor the run ability, which is part of his style and his production, he had a historic season #2 in NFL history in rush yds.. so more rush yds in a season than Vick ever did

An absolute dime 💰

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I like fields game quite a bit but he does have a lot to improve on. He's also had crap coaching and a horrible team around him. I'm hoping he can make a big jump this year, he's the guy I was hoping we would draft.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It was in with those convos when you said there is no chance CLE starts Brisset while Watson is out. This was in JG thread all last offseason, where the QB discussion was taking place. Ppl said that same processing line last offseason about Hurts.

TL is a question mark, would you put JF in the same bucket as TL? only other option is stud or dud.

And that conversation has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You called fields a stud, which has nothing to do with comparing him to Lance. I said he's not a stud as a NFL QB yet. He's a good fantasy football player at this pt.

Hey I would take it if TL is a good fantasy player. That means he's getting a lot of yards and touchdowns irl. Sign me up.

A good fantasy football player and a good football player are two different things. There is much much more to playing qb than yards and touchdowns. Lol

ive seen qbs suck ass all game and do nothing but then once they're down by a lot, score touchdowns in garbage time and have good fantasy points.

fantasy football has screwed up a lot of peoples (not saying you, just people I know) perception of what a good player is.

just draft a wr on a bad team cause they'll constantly get blown out and just get receptions/yards/tds in garbage time to be a good fantasy football player.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Hey I would take it if TL is a good fantasy player. That means he's getting a lot of yards and touchdowns irl. Sign me up.

When Tim Tebow was playing QB in Denver he got me a bunch of fantasy points 🥴

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

His Rookie Deal is a $9.3 million dollar cap hit this year and $10.8 million cap hit next year. That's not cheap for a backup.

No, but if it was the difference between winning and losing the Superbowl it would be worth it.

Plus depending how his contract is written we may be paying it regardless

Originally posted by tankle104:
A good fantasy football player and a good football player are two different things. There is much much more to playing qb than yards and touchdowns. Lol

ive seen qbs suck ass all game and do nothing but then once they're down by a lot, score touchdowns in garbage time and have good fantasy points.

fantasy football has screwed up a lot of peoples (not saying you, just people I know) perception of what a good player is.

just draft a wr on a bad team cause they'll constantly get blown out and just get receptions/yards/tds in garbage time to be a good fantasy football player.

it's lazy analysis and the Joe blow fan sees fantasy points and relates that to good football play.

anyway back to the draft thread for me. There's actual real life football discussions being had there. 😉

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It was in with those convos when you said there is no chance CLE starts Brisset while Watson is out. This was in JG thread all last offseason, where the QB discussion was taking place. Ppl said that same processing line last offseason about Hurts.

TL is a question mark, would you put JF in the same bucket as TL? only other option is stud or dud.

And that conversation has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You called fields a stud, which has nothing to do with comparing him to Lance. I said he's not a stud as a NFL QB yet. He's a good fantasy football player at this pt.

Hey I would take it if TL is a good fantasy player. That means he's getting a lot of yards and touchdowns irl. Sign me up.

A good fantasy football player and a good football player are two different things. There is much much more to playing qb than yards and touchdowns. Lol

ive seen qbs suck ass all game and do nothing but then once they're down by a lot, score touchdowns in garbage time and have good fantasy points.

fantasy football has screwed up a lot of peoples (not saying you, just people I know) perception of what a good player is.

just draft a wr on a bad team cause they'll constantly get blown out and just get receptions/yards/tds in garbage time to be a good fantasy football player.

dif things, you are right. the stats come from real life tho, real life production. So in order to roll up stats, you have to be a) playing, b) doing productive things that equate to fantasy points, c) and if you are some clown one hit wonder type, you don't stay in the lineup long enough to be a good fantasy player over time.

So if someone came to me and said would I like to see TL be a good fantasy player for the next 5 years.. sure, sign me up. That means he is playing, which is way more than what we see now, and producing to boot.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

His Rookie Deal is a $9.3 million dollar cap hit this year and $10.8 million cap hit next year. That's not cheap for a backup.

No, but if it was the difference between winning and losing the Superbowl it would be worth it.

Plus depending how his contract is written we may be paying it regardless

His contract doesn't matter if your starter is making $900k. It's still a ridiculous low cap space for a QB room. If he's labeled a post June cut/trade they're eating half of it anyway.

you'd think people would realize after 20 years that SF goes though QBs like Jimmy G goes through pornstars. We've had 3 seasons of Garcia 2000-2002 and 2 yrs of Kap 2014-2015…everything else has been different QBs starting/getting hurt for two decades. People tossing all their eggs into the Brock basket off 170 passes and a shredded throwing elbow are off their rocker. We're gonna need all these QBs…like always.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

His Rookie Deal is a $9.3 million dollar cap hit this year and $10.8 million cap hit next year. That's not cheap for a backup.

No, but if it was the difference between winning and losing the Superbowl it would be worth it.

Plus depending how his contract is written we may be paying it regardless

His contract doesn't matter if your starter is making $900k. It's still a ridiculous low cap space for a QB room. If he's labeled a post June cut/trade they're eating half of it anyway.

you'd think people would realize after 20 years that SF goes though QBs like Jimmy G goes through pornstars. We've had 3 seasons of Garcia 2000-2002 and 2 yrs of Kap 2014-2015…everything else has been different QBs starting/getting hurt for two decades. People tossing all their eggs into the Brock basket off 170 passes and a shredded throwing elbow are off their rocker. We're gonna need all these QBs…like always.

lol "tossing all their eggs"

he was Mr Irrelevant

I don't think that's where all the eggs went..

you are correct in that yes we need quite a few QBs, that's why adding Sam made a ton of sense