Alex Mack (retired)

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol you can tell who is really relishing this

Hoov, All and NY back in the (it's no big deal) camp per usual too.

Don't worry, be happy!

TBF, nobody should be relishing in terrible news.

Lol Oh you for sure are. In some weird way in your mind I think this makes you feel like you were right about something …and gives opportunity to do what you do best and s**t on the FO and OL 🤣

yup..he rather have the team lose and be right and be happy.. than cheer for his team and be wrong

ok.... nc has been concerned about this o line for years like i have been. i expect more out of vet posters like you people... most of us know nc only wants what is good for the team and he is always hoping he is wrong about some area he is concerned about. he is not a poster who is happy when he is right when it is for the detriment of the team. come on

lol yup...i guess he's just a never happy guy

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol you can tell who is really relishing this

Hoov, All and NY back in the (it's no big deal) camp per usual too.

Don't worry, be happy!

TBF, nobody should be relishing in terrible news.

Lol Oh you for sure are. In some weird way in your mind I think this makes you feel like you were right about something …and gives opportunity to do what you do best and s**t on the FO and OL 🤣

I'm always right about the OL. That doesn't mean I want to be. It means we fall short again. I want 6! Not to be "right" about the regimes biggest blind spot.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol you can tell who is really relishing this

Hoov, All and NY back in the (it's no big deal) camp per usual too.

Don't worry, be happy!

TBF, nobody should be relishing in terrible news.

Lol Oh you for sure are. In some weird way in your mind I think this makes you feel like you were right about something …and gives opportunity to do what you do best and s**t on the FO and OL 🤣

yup..he rather have the team lose and be right and be happy.. than cheer for his team and be wrong

ok.... nc has been concerned about this o line for years like i have been. i expect more out of vet posters like you people... most of us know nc only wants what is good for the team and he is always hoping he is wrong about some area he is concerned about. he is not a poster who is happy when he is right when it is for the detriment of the team. come on

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Start West at center.

Might as well. Brendel and Brunskill are most likely 1 year rentals. West you could have extra cheap for a while.

I was pounding the table for Quinn Meinerz a couple seasons ago. :/ oh well.

Denver drafted another center this year and have Cushenberry already ahead of Meinerz.

That is because they are proactive... our team is one of the most reactive teams in the nfl

Broncos haven't made the playoffs since 2015. Maybe they should react more.

The year they also won a super bowl.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol you can tell who is really relishing this

Hoov, All and NY back in the (it's no big deal) camp per usual too.

Don't worry, be happy!

TBF, nobody should be relishing in terrible news.

Lol Oh you for sure are. In some weird way in your mind I think this makes you feel like you were right about something …and gives opportunity to do what you do best and s**t on the FO and OL 🤣

I'm always right about the OL. That doesn't mean I want to be. It means we fall short again. I want 6! Not to be "right" about the regimes biggest blind spot.

"The OL is good enough."

You probably still believe that too. All as well.

I guess you'll "be right" some day. Right?

s**t.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol you can tell who is really relishing this

Hoov, All and NY back in the (it's no big deal) camp per usual too.

Don't worry, be happy!

TBF, nobody should be relishing in terrible news.

Lol Oh you for sure are. In some weird way in your mind I think this makes you feel like you were right about something …and gives opportunity to do what you do best and s**t on the FO and OL 🤣

I'm always right about the OL. That doesn't mean I want to be. It means we fall short again. I want 6! Not to be "right" about the regimes biggest blind spot.

"The OL is good enough."

You probably still believe that too. All as well.

I guess you'll "be right" some day. Right?

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Jimmy has a quick release, but his time to throw last season was just middle of the pack and that has more of an impact on PP than a quick release. Tom Brady's time to throw was significantly quicker than Jimmy's, despite having a higher ADoT.


The NFC championship game is also very relevant. Jimmy held the ball too long and the stats show that. We've also all seen the numerous clips of him passing up open receivers in that game. Those that think the o-line was the problem in that game just aren't aware of what they're actually seeing. It's easy to blame the o-line whenever there is pressure or a sack, but the QB is often more to blame. Elite QBs like Brady and Rodgers are consistently on the lower end of sacks and pressures regardless of the quality of their o-line.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Exactly. He was a very steady and smart system-fit veteran player for us. Simple as that. That loss will be felt.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Jimmy has a quick release, but his time to throw last season was just middle of the pack and that has more of an impact on PP than a quick release. Tom Brady's time to throw was significantly quicker than Jimmy's, despite having a higher ADoT.

QB average time to release vs. average target depth ranks in 2021 (PFF)

Further up: Throws the ball downfield more
Further down: Doesn't throw downfield much
Further left: Gets rid of the ball quickly
Further right: Holds the ball for a long time

Tom Brady is different. pic.twitter.com/9nO8ydlL85

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) November 15, 2021

The NFC championship game is also very relevant. Jimmy held the ball too long and the stats show that. We've also all seen the numerous clips of him passing up open receivers in that game. Those that think the o-line was the problem in that game just aren't aware of what they're actually seeing. It's easy to blame the o-line whenever there is pressure or a sack, but the QB is often more to blame. Elite QBs like Brady and Rodgers are consistently on the lower end of sacks and pressures regardless of the quality of their o-line.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Jimmy has a quick release, but his time to throw last season was just middle of the pack and that has more of an impact on PP than a quick release. Tom Brady's time to throw was significantly quicker than Jimmy's, despite having a higher ADoT.

QB average time to release vs. average target depth ranks in 2021 (PFF)

Further up: Throws the ball downfield more
Further down: Doesn't throw downfield much
Further left: Gets rid of the ball quickly
Further right: Holds the ball for a long time

Tom Brady is different. pic.twitter.com/9nO8ydlL85

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) November 15, 2021

The NFC championship game is also very relevant. Jimmy held the ball too long and the stats show that. We've also all seen the numerous clips of him passing up open receivers in that game. Those that think the o-line was the problem in that game just aren't aware of what they're actually seeing. It's easy to blame the o-line whenever there is pressure or a sack, but the QB is often more to blame. Elite QBs like Brady and Rodgers are consistently on the lower end of sacks and pressures regardless of the quality of their o-line.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Jimmy has a quick release, but his time to throw last season was just middle of the pack and that has more of an impact on PP than a quick release. Tom Brady's time to throw was significantly quicker than Jimmy's, despite having a higher ADoT.

QB average time to release vs. average target depth ranks in 2021 (PFF)

Further up: Throws the ball downfield more
Further down: Doesn't throw downfield much
Further left: Gets rid of the ball quickly
Further right: Holds the ball for a long time

Tom Brady is different. pic.twitter.com/9nO8ydlL85

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) November 15, 2021

The NFC championship game is also very relevant. Jimmy held the ball too long and the stats show that. We've also all seen the numerous clips of him passing up open receivers in that game. Those that think the o-line was the problem in that game just aren't aware of what they're actually seeing. It's easy to blame the o-line whenever there is pressure or a sack, but the QB is often more to blame. Elite QBs like Brady and Rodgers are consistently on the lower end of sacks and pressures regardless of the quality of their o-line.

You forgot the issue was the inability to run block. That lead to the OL needing to hold PP longer d/t the down and distance. It's all related.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Pass pro has certainly been a major weakness for years and Jimmy G's quick release covered up for a lot of it. Now we are in worse shape. People are in denial trying to rationalize that we are going to be ok with this drop off, I am not. Even if Tretter is injured, he still plays thru it at a high level. Kyle has always had a veteran C and if Trey is playing behind Brendel or Brunskill we can expect another loss in the playoffs vs a possible SB victory. Plain and simple

Jimmy was only 10th in time to throw, so how much did his release really shield the o-line? His pressure percentage was 5th lowest.

In the NFC championship game, Jimmy's time to throw was 3.14 seconds which would have been the worst in the league over the course of a full season for any QB with over 100 snaps.

Again Jimmy is known for having an elite quick release so regardless of how you want to spin it or regardless of which narrative you are trying to push you cannot deny that his quick release helped the line much like Tom Brady has always done for his line.

Pulling out a stat in the NFC championship game does not help your case because as we all saw with our own eyes in the fourth quarter our line pass protected like absolute garbage. Pure utter garbage

Let's not try to minimize the loss of a very good center. We now have a quarterback that has a slower release so hopefully his ability to escape the pocket will be helpful because that's what it's looking like right now

Jimmy has a quick release, but his time to throw last season was just middle of the pack and that has more of an impact on PP than a quick release. Tom Brady's time to throw was significantly quicker than Jimmy's, despite having a higher ADoT.

QB average time to release vs. average target depth ranks in 2021 (PFF)

Further up: Throws the ball downfield more
Further down: Doesn't throw downfield much
Further left: Gets rid of the ball quickly
Further right: Holds the ball for a long time

Tom Brady is different. pic.twitter.com/9nO8ydlL85

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) November 15, 2021

The NFC championship game is also very relevant. Jimmy held the ball too long and the stats show that. We've also all seen the numerous clips of him passing up open receivers in that game. Those that think the o-line was the problem in that game just aren't aware of what they're actually seeing. It's easy to blame the o-line whenever there is pressure or a sack, but the QB is often more to blame. Elite QBs like Brady and Rodgers are consistently on the lower end of sacks and pressures regardless of the quality of their o-line.

Ring, again you are completely wrong and assuming that those of us that blamed pass protection did not see the many times Aiyuk and others were open and the many throws Jimmy Garoppolo could've made to help win the game. Saying people "aren't aware of what they're actually seeing" is a ridiculous argument. That does not and I repeat does not mean that our pass protection was good. These are two separate arguments.

I was not arguing that pass pro lost us the game, I was arguing that pass protection is not very good at all, especially in the 4th quarter where the Rams DL obliterated our PP. We're you actually aware of what you were seeing???? You really need to see the difference there but I guess not if you're trying to push a narrative .

I'm saying our PP is not that good and just got MUCH worse and that's a fact

Originally posted by NCommand:
You forgot the issue was the inability to run block. That lead to the OL needing to hold PP longer d/t the down and distance. It's all related.

Yeah teams stacked the box and dared Jimmy G to beat us. That was schemed but still we performed badly in run blocks as well

Relax guys because Shanahan drafted a center last year and now the kid is ready to take the job.

Oh wait..........