"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee

Originally posted by 4thandlong:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Like I said earlier in the offseason, JJ wants that bag. I know APY isn't real, but those $10m-12m being thrown out there by fans was laughable. He's going to easily get $20 milly a year if he hits FA.

I love you JJ, but my boy Hysterikal said it perfectly a few pages back. The 49ers need to stop paying these WR dudes and let them walk. They should've never paid BA and they shouldn't pay JJ what he's going to want. The young guys are already in the building. Coach them up and keep the production line moving.

Pay your elite players; try to fleece your fringe good-to-great players before they get pricey, or trade them/let 'em walk in FA; focus everything else on the draft.

The problem is everyone who has held out under Lynch has got paid. the players know if they have leverage and hold out Lynch will cave in.

He needs to start fixing this.

It's too late, he's been doing this for years

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4thandlong:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Like I said earlier in the offseason, JJ wants that bag. I know APY isn't real, but those $10m-12m being thrown out there by fans was laughable. He's going to easily get $20 milly a year if he hits FA.

I love you JJ, but my boy Hysterikal said it perfectly a few pages back. The 49ers need to stop paying these WR dudes and let them walk. They should've never paid BA and they shouldn't pay JJ what he's going to want. The young guys are already in the building. Coach them up and keep the production line moving.

Pay your elite players; try to fleece your fringe good-to-great players before they get pricey, or trade them/let 'em walk in FA; focus everything else on the draft.

The problem is everyone who has held out under Lynch has got paid. the players know if they have leverage and hold out Lynch will cave in.

He needs to start fixing this.

It's too late, he's been doing this for years

Exactly. This Lynch guy is an idiot. Who the hell resigns their best players consistently, instead of letting them walk and drafting new talent. Everyone knows the draft is pretty much automatic. It was also a mistake of his and our FO to draft good players all these years. Stick to average players, that way you don't have to pay them a lot when their contracts expire.

Only with this FO have players held out for extensions. In my entire life of watching football I've never seen other players hold out. Fire Lynch!!!

he probably wants 31 mil per year for 3'rd and juan

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I would take it even further.

I wouldn't have paid CMC last year with his quiet absence. Paying an aging RB with an extensive injury history after a year where he got a gazillion of touches, is just asking for trouble. And RB is easily the most replaceable position in the league.

The CMC extension started this snowball going downhill stuff with training camp time contract extension demands.

Players will now wait until the draft and FA to put the team in a situation where it's not easy to replace them, and then ask for a new contract.

All veteran RBs have an extensive injury history. Saquon Barkley is also aging and injury-prone. Would you not have paid him?

Originally posted by 4thandlong:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Like I said earlier in the offseason, JJ wants that bag. I know APY isn't real, but those $10m-12m being thrown out there by fans was laughable. He's going to easily get $20 milly a year if he hits FA.

I love you JJ, but my boy Hysterikal said it perfectly a few pages back. The 49ers need to stop paying these WR dudes and let them walk. They should've never paid BA and they shouldn't pay JJ what he's going to want. The young guys are already in the building. Coach them up and keep the production line moving.

Pay your elite players; try to fleece your fringe good-to-great players before they get pricey, or trade them/let 'em walk in FA; focus everything else on the draft.

The problem is everyone who has held out under Lynch has got paid. the players know if they have leverage and hold out Lynch will cave in.

He needs to start fixing this.

Hey man at least we have good players worth extending vs massively overpaying for FAs every yr.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4thandlong:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Like I said earlier in the offseason, JJ wants that bag. I know APY isn't real, but those $10m-12m being thrown out there by fans was laughable. He's going to easily get $20 milly a year if he hits FA.

I love you JJ, but my boy Hysterikal said it perfectly a few pages back. The 49ers need to stop paying these WR dudes and let them walk. They should've never paid BA and they shouldn't pay JJ what he's going to want. The young guys are already in the building. Coach them up and keep the production line moving.

Pay your elite players; try to fleece your fringe good-to-great players before they get pricey, or trade them/let 'em walk in FA; focus everything else on the draft.

The problem is everyone who has held out under Lynch has got paid. the players know if they have leverage and hold out Lynch will cave in.

He needs to start fixing this.

It's too late, he's been doing this for years

Has he though? Aiyuk's agent got to crow about the deal he got but Aiyuk can be cut 2 years from now BEFORE his pay goes up to the crazy big numbers. He's around $10M this year.

It's not like this stuff only happens with the 49ers, but the 49ers do have a history of signing players to team friendly deals that still look good to agents and media.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4thandlong:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Like I said earlier in the offseason, JJ wants that bag. I know APY isn't real, but those $10m-12m being thrown out there by fans was laughable. He's going to easily get $20 milly a year if he hits FA.

I love you JJ, but my boy Hysterikal said it perfectly a few pages back. The 49ers need to stop paying these WR dudes and let them walk. They should've never paid BA and they shouldn't pay JJ what he's going to want. The young guys are already in the building. Coach them up and keep the production line moving.

Pay your elite players; try to fleece your fringe good-to-great players before they get pricey, or trade them/let 'em walk in FA; focus everything else on the draft.

The problem is everyone who has held out under Lynch has got paid. the players know if they have leverage and hold out Lynch will cave in.

He needs to start fixing this.

Hey man at least we have good players worth extending vs massively overpaying for FAs every yr.

Indeed. Free agents fail more often than keeping the players who already performed on your own team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
15-17k seems very reasonable to me given his performance and the market. It's not like BA asking for over 30etc. I would think it's not a major cap hurdle either so the question is do they want to keep him?

Khalil Shakir type contract?

Probably a little more.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They have the cap space but I know they're hoping to use that for other players down the road. Some of it will be used for Purdy's new deal. I hope they resolve this without overpaying him.

This. I think he's worth around 15m maybe around 17m tops, but if he's asking over 20 (which tbh he may get as a fa next year) no way.

He's our most proven WR and just moves chains. It's a tough spot.

I am also not mad he wants a new deal. How many players get cut before their deal is up every year by every team etc. he's played his butt off outperforming his pay and never complained.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
15-17k seems very reasonable to me given his performance and the market. It's not like BA asking for over 30etc. I would think it's not a major cap hurdle either so the question is do they want to keep him?

Khalil Shakir type contract?

Probably a little more.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They have the cap space but I know they're hoping to use that for other players down the road. Some of it will be used for Purdy's new deal. I hope they resolve this without overpaying him.

This. I think he's worth around 15m maybe around 17m tops, but if he's asking over 20 (which tbh he may get as a fa next year) no way.

He's our most proven WR and just moves chains. It's a tough spot.

I am also not mad he wants a new deal. How many players get cut before their deal is up every year by every team etc. he's played his butt off outperforming his pay and never complained.

I'm with you to the last line ... how do we know he never complained? He could have been complaining non-stop and just not done it publicly ... we just don't know. This is just the first time his agent made it known. Most teams put a lot of effort into isolating their players from the press.

If they extend him 2 years at 15 a year I'm fine with that, but I think it's too much at this point, 2 years at 20 a year is too much.

After this year I think his value will go down, and I think JJ knows that and that is why he wants the new deal now.

The 49ers have several players that are being paid near the top in the league for their position. They also have a lot of older players seeking to get one last big contract. This has to create a certain amount of jealousy or envy among the lower paid players. They may not say it but it's only natural. Eventually they'll hold out for more money or leave via free agency.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers have several players that are being paid near the top in the league for their position. They also have a lot of older players seeking to get one last big contract. This has to create a certain amount of jealousy or envy among the lower paid players. They may not say it but it's only natural. Eventually they'll hold out for more money or leave via free agency.

The funny thing about the current CBA (and something I suspect will get adjusted) is that I bet most people would have no idea that the player with the highest base salary on the 49ers is Bryce Huff.

Trent, George, Nick, Brock, Brandon all make under $2M in base.

As for people being upset with how much the top guys are making. Look at who else is on the roster in their position groups and ask yourself if any of them are even remotely close in performance. Trent? Nope, Puni is probably next most talented OL. Nick? Nope, Huff just had a bad year, Gross-Matos isn't close and he's making more than Brock this year anyhow. Fred? Ha! Brandon? Well that gets us to JJ, and he's not close to a healthy Aiyuk in performance. George? Nope. Brock? Nope.

The issue isn't the stars getting paid, it's what other teams might be willing to pay. McKivitz might get $20M+ a year next year which is nuts (particularly considering Trent is making $21M this year)

snap count
2024 - 689 - 63%
2023 - 361 - 33% (with Deebo/Aiyuk)
2022 - 489 - 44%
2021 - 337 - 30%
He had a good year last season...I don't feel it's enough though. Add some incentives, let's see what he does this year.
He isn't a #1 not even sure he's a #2. What's he going to do vs a starting CB?
He's a Stokes behind Rice and Taylor.
We have to stand our ground eventually. Enough of this WR crap. Bring in a vet or 2 and let him walk? Maybe.

Originally posted by GNS1310:
snap count
2024 - 689 - 63%
2023 - 361 - 33% (with Deebo/Aiyuk)
2022 - 489 - 44%
2021 - 337 - 30%
He had a good year last season...I don't feel it's enough though. Add some incentives, let's see what he does this year.
He isn't a #1 not even sure he's a #2. What's he going to do vs a starting CB?
He's a Stokes behind Rice and Taylor.
We have to stand our ground eventually. Enough of this WR crap. Bring in a vet or 2 and let him walk? Maybe.

I think Stokes never really found a role. JJ has a role and he's great in that role, it's just that his role isn't starting WR1 or 2. I'm just not sold his almost 1000 yard season was a significant improvement on what he had done before, but rather an increase in opportunities because of a dearth of other options.

I really hope they can solve this quick and quiet, but the fact that the agent decided to make it public makes me think it's not going to happen nice.

What I don't understand is people blaming Lynch.

It's unfortunate that Jennings decided to pull this crap on the verge of training camp. I get that it provides him with some leverage, but with the team coming off a down year and trying to focus on getting back to the playoffs it seems like an unnecessary distraction and is probably another reason why they should have traded Aiyuk and extended Jennings last year. Again, I like Aiyuk, I just don't think he's worth $30 million a year. They probably could have gotten Jennings for $15 and now they may end up having to not only pay Aiyuk his $30 million, but whatever Jennings' new money is going to be as well.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

All veteran RBs have an extensive injury history. Saquon Barkley is also aging and injury-prone. Would you not have paid him?

That is a false statement. When you say "all", every single RB needs to have it. Otherwise, its just a hyperbole.
Someone like Derrick Henry has barely missed any games throughout his nine years in the league

"Saquon Barkley is also aging and injury-prone. Would you not have paid him?"

No, I wouldn't pay him the money he got either. And I'd like to point out he didnt hold out and I didnt hear anything about any achilles issues.
I wouldnt be surprised if Barkley, after a very long season by his standards last year, breaks down early this season.

Our team was too reliant on CMC, and they need to learn how to operate without him anyway. The point is, you can't pay everybody. So starting with the most replaceable positions - Trent Williams can hold Niners at gunpoint and they wouldnt be able to find a suitable replacement anyway - RB, WRs are the ones who you can find in draft for very cheap and be quality. Yes, they wont be peak CMC, Barkley or Henry, but you cant have cake and eat it too. If you want to get younger and cheaper, paying old RBs who can break down 20m a year is probably the first thing you dont do.