"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
After the year he had last year and the fact that BA won't be available and Deebo is gone, I'd say pay him. He outplayed his contract big time. He's actually underpaid, and we need his veteran presence on the field with so many young WRs.

Pay him what though? How much do you think he is worth keeping in mind we have a salary cap and something like 92M in dead $. I like JJ and want to keep him but has to be a deal we can afford. He ain't getting a black cheque.

Dead money doesn't matter.

anything sub $20m per year would be fair for both parties

How does dead money not matter? Dead money and void years are a major issues in cap management.

This. It's laughable how some just disregard dead money like it isn't really a thing lol. 49ers are #1 in that department of cap MISmanagement and f**kin it up

They have the most dead money in the league this year but also something like the 5th most cap space (the figure that actually matters). Who cares about dead money if you have 1) a s**tload of cash, and 2) close to the most cap space in the league

The dead money they have this year was paid out years ago. They don't owe it to anybody anymore. It's not actual cash. It's just an accounting item.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
After the year he had last year and the fact that BA won't be available and Deebo is gone, I'd say pay him. He outplayed his contract big time. He's actually underpaid, and we need his veteran presence on the field with so many young WRs.

Pay him what though? How much do you think he is worth keeping in mind we have a salary cap and something like 92M in dead $. I like JJ and want to keep him but has to be a deal we can afford. He ain't getting a black cheque.

Dead money doesn't matter.

anything sub $20m per year would be fair for both parties

How does dead money not matter? Dead money and void years are a major issues in cap management.

This. It's laughable how some just disregard dead money like it isn't really a thing lol. 49ers are #1 in that department of cap MISmanagement and f**kin it up

I'm not calling it mismanagement, the whole league is using getting more dead money options to work the cap. It's so common it's going to be a major part of the next CBA negotiations.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ya'll got offended because BA wanted a trade. Go read the thread. How dare he do such a thing….you had people in there saying they should have given his cash to JJ "team player, he would never do that" lol

NOW he's doing the same thing. People can't separate business from football and get all bent out of shape over it.

It's not an apples to apples comparison though…..yet. The way Aiyuk went about it was completely different and overboard, he even admitted as much. When JJ starts doing all the social media crying and BS like Aiyuk, then you can call it "the same thing."

Exactly way different situation especially how they handled it. Can't compare yet….. not even close. Jennings is worth 15 million a year based on his production and potential, if he was a free agent I believe he would be getting closer to 20 million per year.

I just think he knows that next year because of his asking price/free agency he will most likely be gone the same way Greenlaw and Hufanga and Banjs were all considered most likely gone due to their asking price and the free agency market competing for them.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Can find his replacement in the draft next year.

Who's our WRs we trotting out this year?

Who cares we are a running team. Sick of paying money for dudes who touch the ball 5 times a game. Just keep bringing in rookies and teaching them to block like they had too in High School.

I mean you said it right there bro. Juan is 1 of 1 as a WR of a running team. We gave both Deebo and Aiyuk the bag as a "running team" I don't blame JJ at all for wanting more than 7.5 after seeing that. If what is being reported is what he's really asking for; that's completely fair IMO and JJ is easily worth that. Especially for this season and we have no idea how Aiyuk will be when he returns let alone what his future what the team holds. Dude still seems unhappy lol

If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

Originally posted by elguapo:
Exactly way different situation especially how they handled it. Can't compare yet….. not even close. Jennings is worth 15 million a year based on his production and potential, if he was a free agent I believe he would be getting closer to 20 million per year.

I just think he knows that next year because of his asking price/free agency he will most likely be gone the same way Greenlaw and Hufanga and Banjs were all considered most likely gone due to their asking price and the free agency market competing for them.

He probably will get that on the open market or more next year or whenever he comes up for free agency. Is that next year? People will be surprised. I would like to keep him but doubt they will.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He proved he can be a very high end #2. I disagree. Look at last year. Had he not gotten thrown out of the game he would have had 1,000 + yards and 6 - 7 TD's (maybe he would get 1 more). That's right on par with some Aiyuk years. He's an Anquan Boldin type. Much better than a #3. He gets buried on the depth chart for straight line speed. Not how he plays. It's a 40 time thing. Nothing to do with his skills, play and production. Which are far better than his 40 time.

They are paying based on projected future production.

The reason aiyuk got significantly more is the same reason he got drafted significantly higher.

Nobody is expecting Jennings to make a game breaking play where he scores 80 yard tds behind the defense or high points toss up deep balls.

Also you can't compare the 17 game season to the 16. 1k yards should really be 1050 now which he was far from.

You pay for upside. You also can't pay everyone.

Aiyuk is paid high because there's the expectation he can change the game with a single play. I don't think anybody is saying that about JJ.

I am not saying Aiyuk deserves his pay more than JJ just saying that's why he was paid even putting up similar previous numbers. It's the higher ceiling factor.

Also, I still would not want Jennings as my #2 receiver. That means my team probably sucks unless I have Jefferson or chase as my #1. The average #1 is going to be a lot worse than that though.

If you pay him like #3 and you have to either underpay 1 or 2 and save somewhere.

The typical expectation I would say is Jennings gets ~600-800 yards your number #2 gets about 1k and your #1 gets 1.2-1.4k.

I would not say Jennings getting 900+ is going to be the norm unless we suck...

Originally posted by okdkid:
They have the most dead money in the league this year but also something like the 5th most cap space (the figure that actually matters). Who cares about dead money if you have 1) a s**tload of cash, and 2) close to the most cap space in the league

The dead money they have this year was paid out years ago. They don't owe it to anybody anymore. It's not actual cash. It's just an accounting item.

I mean it's a reason why our "BIG" FA acquisition this year was Luke Farrell lol. And they care about the dead money; Lynch said so himself and it's why they had too take a different approach to FA this year.

Originally posted by Scoots:
I'm not calling it mismanagement, the whole league is using getting more dead money options to work the cap. It's so common it's going to be a major part of the next CBA negotiations.

We can call it whatever we want but having a s**t ton of dead money is not a good thing no matter how it's spun.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He proved he can be a very high end #2. I disagree. Look at last year. Had he not gotten thrown out of the game he would have had 1,000 + yards and 6 - 7 TD's (maybe he would get 1 more). That's right on par with some Aiyuk years. He's an Anquan Boldin type. Much better than a #3. He gets buried on the depth chart for straight line speed. Not how he plays. It's a 40 time thing. Nothing to do with his skills, play and production. Which are far better than his 40 time.

They are paying based on projected future production.

The reason aiyuk got significantly more is the same reason he got drafted significantly higher.

Nobody is expecting Jennings to make a game breaking play where he scores 80 yard tds behind the defense or high points toss up deep balls.

Also you can't compare the 17 game season to the 16. 1k yards should really be 1050 now which he was far from.

You pay for upside. You also can't pay everyone.

Aiyuk is paid high because there's the expectation he can change the game with a single play. I don't think anybody is saying that about JJ.

I am not saying Aiyuk deserves his pay more than JJ just saying that's why he was paid even putting up similar previous numbers. It's the higher ceiling factor.

Sure I understand how Aiyuk had a high ceiling pre injury. Who knows what he is now? But Jennings does it another way. He's an Anquan Boldin type. Bad straight line speed and can do absolutely everything else. All other categories at a super high level. Boldin made a whole career like that. Now I don't know that he's exactly Anquan but he's of that mold. That type and style. You can get it done that way. I think he's worth $15 million per year. Whether they pay him that or not remains to be seen. I would guess not. Just knowing this team I don't think they will prioritize it. But he will get that or more in free agency. People will be surprised.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Scoots:
How does dead money not matter? Dead money and void years are a major issues in cap management.

After all that dead money they still have $45m in space and the vast majority of it wipes away next year. It's already accounted for.

It's all part of the plan. They need to roll money from this year to next year to continue to handle ongoing dead money, void options, and new contract demands.

People look at the cap space and think it's "extra" when moving that space to next year is part of the plan. Aiyuk's cap number this year is <$10M, next year it's $15M, but the year after that they can cut him and it costs $22M in dead money, but his 2027 cap hit is $41M. If he's the best WR in the NFL they need to have the space to pay him $40M+, if he's not then he's gone and costs half as much. His 2028 number is even higher, and his years after that are voidable.

The cap space is contingency space for roster moves that they might make.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ya'll got offended because BA wanted a trade. Go read the thread. How dare he do such a thing….you had people in there saying they should have given his cash to JJ "team player, he would never do that" lol

NOW he's doing the same thing. People can't separate business from football and get all bent out of shape over it.

It's not an apples to apples comparison though…..yet. The way Aiyuk went about it was completely different and overboard, he even admitted as much. When JJ starts doing all the social media crying and BS like Aiyuk, then you can call it "the same thing."

It absolutely is. The moment he said I want a trade people soured on him and wanted to move him to the highest bidder.

he admitted he himself took it personally that the team ghosted him for months and acted like they didn't want him and if they did it was at their price only.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

That's the bottom line of it all right there

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
After the year he had last year and the fact that BA won't be available and Deebo is gone, I'd say pay him. He outplayed his contract big time. He's actually underpaid, and we need his veteran presence on the field with so many young WRs.

Pay him what though? How much do you think he is worth keeping in mind we have a salary cap and something like 92M in dead $. I like JJ and want to keep him but has to be a deal we can afford. He ain't getting a black cheque.

Dead money doesn't matter.

anything sub $20m per year would be fair for both parties

How does dead money not matter? Dead money and void years are a major issues in cap management.

This. It's laughable how some just disregard dead money like it isn't really a thing lol. 49ers are #1 in that department of cap MISmanagement and f**kin it up

They have the most dead money in the league this year but also something like the 5th most cap space (the figure that actually matters). Who cares about dead money if you have 1) a s**tload of cash, and 2) close to the most cap space in the league

The dead money they have this year was paid out years ago. They don't owe it to anybody anymore. It's not actual cash. It's just an accounting item.

Cap management IS accounting.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

That's the bottom line of it all right there

Crazy enough lately at least Jennings has been better, more productive, more healthy. Not looking at several years back. Look at last year, this year, immediate future. Jennings has been and is better than those 2 lately. One gone and one injured. But Jennings has been the guy. Yeah we put too much in Aiyuk and Deebo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ya'll got offended because BA wanted a trade. Go read the thread. How dare he do such a thing….you had people in there saying they should have given his cash to JJ "team player, he would never do that" lol

NOW he's doing the same thing. People can't separate business from football and get all bent out of shape over it.

It's not an apples to apples comparison though…..yet. The way Aiyuk went about it was completely different and overboard, he even admitted as much. When JJ starts doing all the social media crying and BS like Aiyuk, then you can call it "the same thing."

It absolutely is. The moment he said I want a trade people soured on him and wanted to move him to the highest bidder.

he admitted he himself took it personally that the team ghosted him for months and acted like they didn't want him and if they did it was at their price only.

Agree to disagree. It absolutely is not the same thing and he did not just say he wants a trade

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean you said it right there bro. Juan is 1 of 1 as a WR of a running team. We gave both Deebo and Aiyuk the bag as a "running team" I don't blame JJ at all for wanting more than 7.5 after seeing that. If what is being reported is what he's really asking for; that's completely fair IMO and JJ is easily worth that. Especially for this season and we have no idea how Aiyuk will be when he returns let alone what his future what the team holds. Dude still seems unhappy lol

BA was one of the best blocking WRs on this team, he just didn't get the love because he wasn't throwing dudes over water coolers.

JJ is a good WR, if they can find a way to pay him appropriately fine. If they can't, it's not the end of the world. If guys are healthy he's 3rd or 4th as far as targets go.