All Pro OT Trent Williams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Finding a true all pro level LT is about as hard as finding a true franchise QB. I'm talking about a guy that can be your anchor for 8 or 10 years. Maybe more. Like you pointed out they had Staley and then Williams so that wasn't they're top priority all those years. Picking a tackle in the 3rd round or later may get you a starter but no one on Trent's level.

Right. I'm agree with you

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Finding a true all pro level LT is about as hard as finding a true franchise QB. I'm talking about a guy that can be your anchor for 8 or 10 years. Maybe more. Like you pointed out they had Staley and then Williams so that wasn't they're top priority all those years. Picking a tackle in the 3rd round or later may get you a starter but no one on Trent's level.

Right. I'm agree with you

Ya. The elite LT always gets picked early or at worst top 15. It's rare you get that player outside of a top 20 pick.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I rarely go down the coulda, woulda, shoulda route, but in hindsight. The smart move would have been to take Tristan Wirfs instead of Kinlaw, I was certainly hoping they would. He was there when the Niner's picked and they still could have made the deal for Aiyuk, though that one didn't work out so well either.

They knew Trent was getting traded to them and McG was still our RT….I agree Wirfs over Kins makes sense now. I understood the pick and the route they went though

I've always thought having an all-world, insanely high-priced left tackle with the rest of the unit being mediocre as f**k/complete liabilities was a flawed way to build an OL. The left tackle can't be beat, but the guys right next to him are turnstiles...what an easy vulnerability to attack for opposing defensive coordinators. Mike MacDonald must laugh at this s**t when he's watching the tape.

I bet 99% of 49ers' fans cannot name a single player on Seattle's OL or Los Angeles' OL, yet their units are really good as a whole. Give me 5 quality guys that work well as unit and aren't liabilities 1-on-1 over what the 49ers have.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I've always thought having an all-world, insanely high-priced left tackle with the rest of the unit being mediocre as f**k was a flawed way to build an OL. The left tackle can't be beat, but the guys right next to him are turnstiles...what an easy vulnerability to attack for opposing defensive coordinators.

I bet 99% of 49ers' fans cannot name a single player on Seattle's OL or Los Angeles' OL, yet their units are really good as a whole. Give me 5 quality guys that work well as unit and aren't liabilities 1-on-1 over what the 49ers have.

This is why I always post things about crazy high salaries. I know it's the way it is now but when you allocate too much to half dozen players you're going to eventually lose a few quality players at other positions that leave for more money. Your depth overall suffers and when a couple of those high priced aging players get injured the lack of depth can kill you.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't want to trade him and I know at his current cap hit - it'll be very hard to trade him l.

Question: is it possible we rework a new deal with him and then trade him? Like have a trade in place and then we redo the contract to make it work for another team?

We trying to win this year so no. If we weren't we'd have dealt Mac Jones already

What I'm asking for is if it's even possible. I can't think of a time that a team did that in the NFL. I'm not proposing we do it - just curious if it's even a possibility.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I've always thought having an all-world, insanely high-priced left tackle with the rest of the unit being mediocre as f**k was a flawed way to build an OL. The left tackle can't be beat, but the guys right next to him are turnstiles...what an easy vulnerability to attack for opposing defensive coordinators.

I bet 99% of 49ers' fans cannot name a single player on Seattle's OL or Los Angeles' OL, yet their units are really good as a whole. Give me 5 quality guys that work well as unit and aren't liabilities 1-on-1 over what the 49ers have.

This is why I always post things about crazy high salaries. I know it's the way it is now but when you allocate too much to half dozen players you're going to eventually lose a few quality players at other positions that leave for more money. Your depth overall suffers and when a couple of those high priced aging players get injured the lack of depth can kill you.

I wish we'd spend more draft capital on O line. Especially when we have C and G that's have struggled annually. Even if it's 4th, 5th round etc. drafting and developing these guys consistently would make our depth stronger.

I wish our team took the O line more seriously. We super prioritize the d line, but are terrible at selecting guys, but not the O line. It's kinda crazy. The trenches are where games are won and lost, IMO.

Especially our interior. I'm so tired of Brendel. His best days he is "average". Can't be that hard to replace him or to at least try to. Our guard spots have been weak for years and we just keep taking garbage bin deals and rarely do they work.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I've always thought having an all-world, insanely high-priced left tackle with the rest of the unit being mediocre as f**k was a flawed way to build an OL. The left tackle can't be beat, but the guys right next to him are turnstiles...what an easy vulnerability to attack for opposing defensive coordinators.

I bet 99% of 49ers' fans cannot name a single player on Seattle's OL or Los Angeles' OL, yet their units are really good as a whole. Give me 5 quality guys that work well as unit and aren't liabilities 1-on-1 over what the 49ers have.

This is why I always post things about crazy high salaries. I know it's the way it is now but when you allocate too much to half dozen players you're going to eventually lose a few quality players at other positions that leave for more money. Your depth overall suffers and when a couple of those high priced aging players get injured the lack of depth can kill you.

I wish we'd spend more draft capital on O line. Especially when we have C and G that's have struggled annually. Even if it's 4th, 5th round etc. drafting and developing these guys consistently would make our depth stronger.

I wish our team took the O line more seriously. We super prioritize the d line, but are terrible at selecting guys, but not the O line. It's kinda crazy. The trenches are where games are won and lost, IMO.

Especially our interior. I'm so tired of Brendel. His best days he is "average". Can't be that hard to replace him or to at least try to. Our guard spots have been weak for years and we just keep taking garbage bin deals and rarely do they work.

I 100% agree, then I realize that these same guys were a game away from the #1 seed in the NFC and smoked the defending champs in round 1 of the playoffs last year. If these guys sucked so bad, we would be drafting in the top 10 rather than #27 overall.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I 100% agree, then I realize that these same guys were a game away from the #1 seed in the NFC and smoked the defending champs in round 1 of the playoffs last year. If these guys sucked so bad, we would be drafting in the top 10 rather than #27 overall.

since 2021, we have the lowest investment in OL through the draft in the entire league. Lol

We've got by cause of good coaching and scheme but it's also held us back a lot. Our depth is always horrible cause we never draft guys and outside of Trent - everyone's average. Mckivitz had a really solid year, so that's awesome but he took like 4-5 years to develop.

instead of taking a worthless RB every round 3, id like to see us get OL or something. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Finding a true all pro level LT is about as hard as finding a true franchise QB. I'm talking about a guy that can be your anchor for 8 or 10 years. Maybe more. Like you pointed out they had Staley and then Williams so that wasn't they're top priority all those years. Picking a tackle in the 3rd round or later may get you a starter but no one on Trent's level.

Right. I'm agree with you

Ya. The elite LT always gets picked early or at worst top 15. It's rare you get that player outside of a top 20 pick.

Of the top 7 OTs by PFF, 6 of them were 1st round picks. The exception was undrafted Jordan Mailata, freak situation.

Later picks can be good players but the studs are, and always will be, taken very high.

They can draft Trent's replacement in round 1 who can hopefully play LG the first year or draft Brendel's replacement in round 2 who can play guard the first year. I think FA Bitonio is the answer just like Kirk is the quick-fix answer at WR. Great if they could both last 2 years as 49ers. Then they can relax while they develop anyone with the potential as they see fit.

That leaves their biggest need-pash rush-wanting. They need a high speed edge and they might have to settle for a veteran mercenary who's got something left like Bitonio on offense. Those guys are out there but they're not the speedy ones.

Offense-they can move the ball. Defense wins championships. You tell me.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I 100% agree, then I realize that these same guys were a game away from the #1 seed in the NFC and smoked the defending champs in round 1 of the playoffs last year. If these guys sucked so bad, we would be drafting in the top 10 rather than #27 overall.

since 2021, we have the lowest investment in OL through the draft in the entire league. Lol

We've got by cause of good coaching and scheme but it's also held us back a lot. Our depth is always horrible cause we never draft guys and outside of Trent - everyone's average. Mckivitz had a really solid year, so that's awesome but he took like 4-5 years to develop.

instead of taking a worthless RB every round 3, id like to see us get OL or something. Just my opinion.

FWIW, the Patriots have been the team that leads the league in investment in OL through the draft and they were decimated by Seattles Dline in the Super Bowl. Just investing in the OL won't always work out. The players have to hit as well.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I 100% agree, then I realize that these same guys were a game away from the #1 seed in the NFC and smoked the defending champs in round 1 of the playoffs last year. If these guys sucked so bad, we would be drafting in the top 10 rather than #27 overall.

since 2021, we have the lowest investment in OL through the draft in the entire league. Lol

We've got by cause of good coaching and scheme but it's also held us back a lot. Our depth is always horrible cause we never draft guys and outside of Trent - everyone's average. Mckivitz had a really solid year, so that's awesome but he took like 4-5 years to develop.

instead of taking a worthless RB every round 3, id like to see us get OL or something. Just my opinion.

FWIW, the Patriots have been the team that leads the league in investment in OL through the draft and they were decimated by Seattles Dline in the Super Bowl. Just investing in the OL won't always work out. The players have to hit as well.

right, taking any player isn't the way to do it. has to fit the scheme and being the right player - which is why they have a massive year-around staff that evaluates every single prospect and position. there have been tons of players we could of selected in the first 3-4 rounds that would have worked out, and didn't. for example, all those worthless running back picks. lol

like I said, hindsight is 20/20. I just wish we took having a strong O line, and it's depth, as much as we value taking running backs/WRs etc. cause clearly we arent very good at that.

They've had 22 total picks in the first three rounds since 2017 (not including 2025). They've hit on maybe 5 of them.
just the third round alone - they've hit on 2 players out of 13 selections (Fred & Possibly Puni - if you count him).
1/5 selections in the second round (possibly 2 if you count renardo green - other is deebo).
8 selections in the first round - you could argue Aiyuk worked out (in a weird way), Bosa, possibly mcglinchy, maybe pearsall?

anyways, I just am big on always going after trench players and developing them. I don't want to lose Williams - it'll be a massive loss for this line. I think they'll figure it out.

Originally posted by dj43:

Of the top 7 OTs by PFF, 6 of them were 1st round picks. The exception was undrafted Jordan Mailata, freak situation.

Later picks can be good players but the studs are, and always will be, taken very high.

Jordan Mailata was taken in end of rd 7, but he was a freak athlete, 6'8" 346 lbs, 5.12 40, 11 inch hands,35.5" arms, 4.67 shuttle, 6.76 3 cone, and a great rugby player .... seems like a no-brainer gamble with a 6th rd pick. There are other cases of late rd picks becoming great OT.

Originally posted by jakedogg:
They can draft Trent's replacement in round 1 who can hopefully play LG the first year or draft Brendel's replacement in round 2 who can play guard the first year. I think FA Bitonio is the answer just like Kirk is the quick-fix answer at WR. Great if they could both last 2 years as 49ers. Then they can relax while they develop anyone with the potential as they see fit.

That leaves their biggest need-pash rush-wanting. They need a high speed edge and they might have to settle for a veteran mercenary who's got something left like Bitonio on offense. Those guys are out there but they're not the speedy ones.

Offense-they can move the ball. Defense wins championships. You tell me.

No matter who they pick in those first 2 rounds there still will be holes to fill. You can't fill all the holes unless you get really lucky with those 4th round picks. Maybe they trade back into the 3rd round. Even if they pick a tackle at #27 he's unlikely to be anywhere near Trent's talent. He may be serviceable and even make the pro bowl on occasion but Trent is exceptional. Players like him are worth more than their physical ability. They become the leader on the O line and are an inspiration for young players.