Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Aiyuk has a lot to prove. He signed the big deal, had a down season because of the hold out, and then got hurt. Now his running mate, Deebo is on the way out. The man has a lot to prove.

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Sidestep to say well done. Rational and reasoned, no name calling. As these forums should be, thank you for that.

Back to discussion, I hope he does come back and produces to that level but I sincerely doubt he can and unfortunately see his peak being in the past which is never a good thing for a dude you just handed big money. Injury cannot be accounted for so I won't hate on him for that.

That being said what I can hate on is the public holdout. I have no issue saying I would have traded him the moment he pulled that card and this discussion wouldn't be necessary at all. Same with Samuel, you make yourself a target and I will treat you like one. One of them won't be in the roster next year (Samuel) and I expect the other will always be seen as a miss on his contract (BA).

I didn't appreciate the theatrics of the holdout either but what I do appreciate about BA and why I stick up for him is we didn't hear a peep out of him before that. It's been clear he's been our best overall WR since 2022 and we heard more complaining about lack of targets from Deebo(after he already got paid) than BA(before he got paid)

Meanwhile you had a bunch of other WRs across the league, some that you mentioned earlier complaining about not getting the ball enough. Aiyuk went out and made the reps that he had count and blocked his ass off and ran all his routes like he was getting the ball even when he wasn't(unlike Deebo)

And the other thing is unfortunately we may be starting to see more of these types of social media based holdout theatrics. We have to put those aside and do our best as a team to stay ahead of them. Try to get these deals done early so it doesn't keep the players out of camp and makes them come in rusty.

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys are completely ignoring what happened before Aiyuk got paid.

The SB loss where Deebo got completely clamped down once KC went heavy man.

It was clear all that year Aiyuk was our top WR and revisionist history aside he was playing at the level of those guys mentioned. There is a reason he led the league in YPR until the last week of the season where playing with Sam Darnold while Pickens didn't get a single catch dropped BA to 2nd behind GP.

Even after BA came back and clearly not the same guy after missing camp and not being on the same page with Brock like the year before his impact was huge in the passing game. The idea that he's not a deep threat is absurd. You don't need to be a 4.3 40 guy to be a deep threat. He opened up a ton and after he got hurt things became a hell of a lot tougher with coverages and windows getting way tighter.

Aiyuk is a terrific WR who would've been putting up insane numbers on a team who fed him the ball 130+ times a season.

It's kind of crazy to read this imo lazy type of analysis on a 49ers message board when we saw Jerry dominate in every phase of the game due to his route running. Jerry wasn't the biggest, strongest and definitely not the fastest but he just got open.

Nobody is on Jerry's level but Aiyuk is a terrific route runner and a great WR1. We'll see if he's able to get back to form after the injury. Jerry was never the same after his but sports injury treatment is miles better these days. We better all hope he's back to form asap.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys are completely ignoring what happened before Aiyuk got paid.

The SB loss where Deebo got completely clamped down once KC went heavy man.

It was clear all that year Aiyuk was our top WR and revisionist history aside he was playing at the level of those guys mentioned. There is a reason he led the league in YPR until the last week of the season where playing with Sam Darnold while Pickens didn't get a single catch dropped BA to 2nd behind GP.

Even after BA came back and clearly not the same guy after missing camp and not being on the same page with Brock like the year before his impact was huge in the passing game. The idea that he's not a deep threat is absurd. You don't need to be a 4.3 40 guy to be a deep threat. He opened up a ton and after he got hurt things became a hell of a lot tougher with coverages and windows getting way tighter.

Aiyuk is a terrific WR who would've been putting up insane numbers on a team who fed him the ball 130+ times a season.

It's kind of crazy to read this imo lazy type of analysis on a 49ers message board when we saw Jerry dominate in every phase of the game due to his route running. Jerry wasn't the biggest, strongest and definitely not the fastest but he just got open.

Nobody is on Jerry's level but Aiyuk is a terrific route runner and a great WR1. We'll see if he's able to get back to form after the injury. Jerry was never the same after his but sports injury treatment is miles better these days. We better all hope he's back to form asap.

Rice was injured when he was 35. At that age most players re already on the decline. He came back the next season and had 1157 yards and 82 catches. He had 2 more 1000+ yard seasons with the raiders when he ws 39 and 40.

Aiyuk would be lucky to do that even without the injury.

Originally posted by fropwns:
Aiyuk has a lot to prove. He signed the big deal, had a down season because of the hold out, and then got hurt. Now his running mate, Deebo is on the way out. The man has a lot to prove.

He's going to have to do it with more than likely Pearsall opposite him. Tough enough to up his game with Deebo. Doubly tough with Pearsall and Jennings.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Aiyuk has a lot to prove. He signed the big deal, had a down season because of the hold out, and then got hurt. Now his running mate, Deebo is on the way out. The man has a lot to prove.

He's going to have to do it with more than likely Pearsall opposite him. Tough enough to up his game with Deebo. Doubly tough with Pearsall and Jennings.

Some of the best receivers don't have a great receiver opposite them. When you have 2 or 3 good receivers the ball is spred around more nad yo don't get as many targets. When CMC is healthy Kyle spreads the ball between him, Aiyuk, Kittle and Jennings or Deebo.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Deebo and Aiyuk are perfect examples that in today's NFL you don't pay top contracts to receivers that aren't generational talents.

I can understand paying top money to Jefferson, Chase, a prime Tyreek and maybe AJ Brown but if your WR isn't on that level you should try to trade him instead of giving him the huge contract that his huge ego will demand. After all, we see year in and year out that teams can find good receivers in the draft from the 1st to the 5th round.

If you are gonna give a top contract to a player on offense besides the QB and the LT that player should be the TE because a TE that can block and catch at an elite level is an unicorn and a huge mismatch for the defense.

So say you are the Atlanta Falcons. Drake London says he's not showing up next year without a big contract. He doesn't necessarily want to be the highest paid WR but he wants to be PAID. More than the Aiyuk contract that was signed last year.

So you would trade him because he isn't elite. Probably get a 2nd round? Maybe a first but maybe not bc the team trading for him knows they have to give him his contract. Lets say you get pick 33 in the draft. You spend pick 33 on the best WR available. You luck out because you really like him. He gets to camp and its clear he just isn't ready to play in the NFL. He can't even beat out your #4 guy from last year. You see he has potential he just needs time. Or maybe he pulls his hamstring or gets hurt and misses a lot time.

Your WR depth chart is now:
#1 Darnell Mooney
#2 Ray Ray McCloud
#3 Some mid tier vet you picked up in free agency.

Your fanbase is furious. The press is eating you alive bc you had a #1 and you traded him away because you don't pay top dollar to WRs that aren't on the same level as Jefferson, Chase, & Hill..

After typing all this i realize we kinda did the same thing with Deforest Buckner. Surely you aren't one of the ones complaining about that trade.
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Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys are completely ignoring what happened before Aiyuk got paid.

The SB loss where Deebo got completely clamped down once KC went heavy man.

It was clear all that year Aiyuk was our top WR and revisionist history aside he was playing at the level of those guys mentioned. There is a reason he led the league in YPR until the last week of the season where playing with Sam Darnold while Pickens didn't get a single catch dropped BA to 2nd behind GP.

Even after BA came back and clearly not the same guy after missing camp and not being on the same page with Brock like the year before his impact was huge in the passing game. The idea that he's not a deep threat is absurd. You don't need to be a 4.3 40 guy to be a deep threat. He opened up a ton and after he got hurt things became a hell of a lot tougher with coverages and windows getting way tighter.

Aiyuk is a terrific WR who would've been putting up insane numbers on a team who fed him the ball 130+ times a season.

It's kind of crazy to read this imo lazy type of analysis on a 49ers message board when we saw Jerry dominate in every phase of the game due to his route running. Jerry wasn't the biggest, strongest and definitely not the fastest but he just got open.

Nobody is on Jerry's level but Aiyuk is a terrific route runner and a great WR1. We'll see if he's able to get back to form after the injury. Jerry was never the same after his but sports injury treatment is miles better these days. We better all hope he's back to form asap.

Imo the comparisons are not the same at all. Every top tier guy listed either had a huge physical mismatch ie bigger and stronger, can jump higher, is much faster than the DBS.

The only exception is Jerry. The reason Jerry was so dominant was because he could track the ball in the air better than anyone else and make an adjustment mid route that threw the Dbs off and got him massive separation.

Jerry could run a the route half speed, look up find the ball then turn on the jets mid route and catch the ball at top speed. No dbs could stop it and nobody has been able to do it consistently since.

Who is Ayuik a mismatch to? He has good hands a crisp route running but we're never going to say he's in the same tier as the other guys. He's just not big enough or fast enough to straight dominate anybody in front of him.

Jefferson is more valuable at 40 mm per year than deebo and yuk at 50mm year. Your also getting more than 25% production and game planning difference than yuk at 30mm a year. IE his values on a per dollar basis is still worth more because you really can't shut him down in any game.

We saw with game planning you could take deebo and yuk out of the game if you scheme and plan for it. It was nearly impossible to take those tip tier guys out of the game

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Imo the comparisons are not the same at all. Every top tier guy listed either had a huge physical mismatch ie bigger and stronger, can jump higher, is much faster than the DBS.

The only exception is Jerry. The reason Jerry was so dominant was because he could track the ball in the air better than anyone else and make an adjustment mid route that threw the Dbs off and got him massive separation.

Jerry could run a the route half speed, look up find the ball then turn on the jets mid route and catch the ball at top speed. No dbs could stop it and nobody has been able to do it consistently since.

Who is Ayuik a mismatch to? He has good hands a crisp route running but we're never going to say he's in the same tier as the other guys. He's just not big enough or fast enough to straight dominate anybody in front of him.

Jefferson is more valuable at 40 mm per year than deebo and yuk at 50mm year. Your also getting more than 25% production and game planning difference than yuk at 30mm a year. IE his values on a per dollar basis is still worth more because you really can't shut him down in any game.

We saw with game planning you could take deebo and yuk out of the game if you scheme and plan for it. It was nearly impossible to take those tip tier guys out of the game

when i think on the best wrs of the last 10 years, cooper kupp and antonio brown come to mind. those guys at times were simply uncoverable in their day. they are hardly physical dominators in terms of straight line speed or big size. they demolish dbs with their route running and are open relentlessly. this is just to say its not all a speed or size game, in terms of deep speed. it's probably a speed game in terms of short area quickness.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Aiyuk has a lot to prove. He signed the big deal, had a down season because of the hold out, and then got hurt. Now his running mate, Deebo is on the way out. The man has a lot to prove.

He's going to have to do it with more than likely Pearsall opposite him. Tough enough to up his game with Deebo. Doubly tough with Pearsall and Jennings.

What is the basis for your putting a ceiling on Pearsall, and Jenning too for that matter.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Aiyuk has a lot to prove. He signed the big deal, had a down season because of the hold out, and then got hurt. Now his running mate, Deebo is on the way out. The man has a lot to prove.

He's going to have to do it with more than likely Pearsall opposite him. Tough enough to up his game with Deebo. Doubly tough with Pearsall and Jennings.

Pearsall may end up being a better WR2 than Deebo because he won't half ass his routes or get blanketed easily if teams run man coverage.

Biggest thing for BA is getting healthy. His ability to run routes doesn't require a strong WR2.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys are completely ignoring what happened before Aiyuk got paid.

The SB loss where Deebo got completely clamped down once KC went heavy man.

It was clear all that year Aiyuk was our top WR and revisionist history aside he was playing at the level of those guys mentioned. There is a reason he led the league in YPR until the last week of the season where playing with Sam Darnold while Pickens didn't get a single catch dropped BA to 2nd behind GP.

Even after BA came back and clearly not the same guy after missing camp and not being on the same page with Brock like the year before his impact was huge in the passing game. The idea that he's not a deep threat is absurd. You don't need to be a 4.3 40 guy to be a deep threat. He opened up a ton and after he got hurt things became a hell of a lot tougher with coverages and windows getting way tighter.

Aiyuk is a terrific WR who would've been putting up insane numbers on a team who fed him the ball 130+ times a season.

It's kind of crazy to read this imo lazy type of analysis on a 49ers message board when we saw Jerry dominate in every phase of the game due to his route running. Jerry wasn't the biggest, strongest and definitely not the fastest but he just got open.

Nobody is on Jerry's level but Aiyuk is a terrific route runner and a great WR1. We'll see if he's able to get back to form after the injury. Jerry was never the same after his but sports injury treatment is miles better these days. We better all hope he's back to form asap.

Imo the comparisons are not the same at all. Every top tier guy listed either had a huge physical mismatch ie bigger and stronger, can jump higher, is much faster than the DBS.

The only exception is Jerry. The reason Jerry was so dominant was because he could track the ball in the air better than anyone else and make an adjustment mid route that threw the Dbs off and got him massive separation.

Jerry could run a the route half speed, look up find the ball then turn on the jets mid route and catch the ball at top speed. No dbs could stop it and nobody has been able to do it consistently since.

Who is Ayuik a mismatch to? He has good hands a crisp route running but we're never going to say he's in the same tier as the other guys. He's just not big enough or fast enough to straight dominate anybody in front of him.

Jefferson is more valuable at 40 mm per year than deebo and yuk at 50mm year. Your also getting more than 25% production and game planning difference than yuk at 30mm a year. IE his values on a per dollar basis is still worth more because you really can't shut him down in any game.

We saw with game planning you could take deebo and yuk out of the game if you scheme and plan for it. It was nearly impossible to take those tip tier guys out of the game

Justin Jefferson is arguably the best WR in the NFL.

Here are his numbers from the combine compared to Aiyuk's numbers same combine

Height: 6'1 vs 6'0
Weight: 202 vs 205
Arm: 33'' vs 33 1/2''
Hands: 9 1/8'' vs 9 3/4''
40: 4.43 vs 4.5
10 yard: 1.54 vs 1.52
Vertical Jump: 37.5'' vs 40''
Broad Jump: 10'6'' vs 10' 8''

I bolded the better stat in each one. Aiyuk comes out on top in 6 out of 8 listed.

So the idea that Jefferson is so far ahead of Aiyuk physically is simply not true.

BTW Ja'marr Chase is same height, weighs slightly less has arms almost 3 inches smaller with hands just a hair larger than BA(don't have testing scores since no combine that year)

Davante Adams is the heaviest WR out of the group and is 6'1 but the rest of his numbers were less than Aiyuk. So once again they don't have any crazy athletic advantage over BA...clearly you forgot how well he tested and how long his arms are.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Aiyuk has a lot to prove. He signed the big deal, had a down season because of the hold out, and then got hurt. Now his running mate, Deebo is on the way out. The man has a lot to prove.

He's going to have to do it with more than likely Pearsall opposite him. Tough enough to up his game with Deebo. Doubly tough with Pearsall and Jennings.

What is the basis for your putting a ceiling on Pearsall, and Jenning too for that matter.

I'm just generalizing until we can see what their worth is compared to a proven starter like Deebo.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You guys are completely ignoring what happened before Aiyuk got paid.

The SB loss where Deebo got completely clamped down once KC went heavy man.

It was clear all that year Aiyuk was our top WR and revisionist history aside he was playing at the level of those guys mentioned. There is a reason he led the league in YPR until the last week of the season where playing with Sam Darnold while Pickens didn't get a single catch dropped BA to 2nd behind GP.

Even after BA came back and clearly not the same guy after missing camp and not being on the same page with Brock like the year before his impact was huge in the passing game. The idea that he's not a deep threat is absurd. You don't need to be a 4.3 40 guy to be a deep threat. He opened up a ton and after he got hurt things became a hell of a lot tougher with coverages and windows getting way tighter.

Aiyuk is a terrific WR who would've been putting up insane numbers on a team who fed him the ball 130+ times a season.

It's kind of crazy to read this imo lazy type of analysis on a 49ers message board when we saw Jerry dominate in every phase of the game due to his route running. Jerry wasn't the biggest, strongest and definitely not the fastest but he just got open.

Nobody is on Jerry's level but Aiyuk is a terrific route runner and a great WR1. We'll see if he's able to get back to form after the injury. Jerry was never the same after his but sports injury treatment is miles better these days. We better all hope he's back to form asap.

Imo the comparisons are not the same at all. Every top tier guy listed either had a huge physical mismatch ie bigger and stronger, can jump higher, is much faster than the DBS.

The only exception is Jerry. The reason Jerry was so dominant was because he could track the ball in the air better than anyone else and make an adjustment mid route that threw the Dbs off and got him massive separation.

Jerry could run a the route half speed, look up find the ball then turn on the jets mid route and catch the ball at top speed. No dbs could stop it and nobody has been able to do it consistently since.

Who is Ayuik a mismatch to? He has good hands a crisp route running but we're never going to say he's in the same tier as the other guys. He's just not big enough or fast enough to straight dominate anybody in front of him.

Jefferson is more valuable at 40 mm per year than deebo and yuk at 50mm year. Your also getting more than 25% production and game planning difference than yuk at 30mm a year. IE his values on a per dollar basis is still worth more because you really can't shut him down in any game.

We saw with game planning you could take deebo and yuk out of the game if you scheme and plan for it. It was nearly impossible to take those tip tier guys out of the game

Justin Jefferson is arguably the best WR in the NFL.

Here are his numbers from the combine compared to Aiyuk's numbers same combine

Height: 6'1 vs 6'0
Weight: 202 vs 205
Arm: 33'' vs 33 1/2''
Hands: 9 1/8'' vs 9 3/4''
40: 4.43 vs 4.5
10 yard: 1.54 vs 1.52
Vertical Jump: 37.5'' vs 40''
Broad Jump: 10'6'' vs 10' 8''

I bolded the better stat in each one. Aiyuk comes out on top in 6 out of 8 listed.

So the idea that Jefferson is so far ahead of Aiyuk physically is simply not true.

BTW Ja'marr Chase is same height, weighs slightly less has arms almost 3 inches smaller with hands just a hair larger than BA(don't have testing scores since no combine that year)

Davante Adams is the heaviest WR out of the group and is 6'1 but the rest of his numbers were less than Aiyuk. So once again they don't have any crazy athletic advantage over BA...clearly you forgot how well he tested and how long his arms are.

Maybe on paper but on the field it's a pretty big difference.

Cant wait for you to have a monster season this year big dawg. I know everybody thinks you suck or that you will "never be the same player". I got faith in you bruh. You gonna get that all pro next year