Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's pretty clear that he wants to get paid and win. How actions have made that clear.

it isn't like Boston doesn't have big time taxes - especially millionaire taxes. Belichick calls it taxssachusetts.

Idk why people think he just wants to get paid and doesn't care about winning or having a stable qb.

there's only a situation or two in the league that would be as good as the niners if you can get paid and still compete for a chip.

Yup, agreed. He wants to get paid market value like every other damn WR is currently getting. Folks in here are like this is what we're offering, don't like it shut up. Meanwhile if a player gets hurt or doesn't play to their contract, we all want them cut lol.

an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's pretty clear that he wants to get paid and win. How actions have made that clear.

it isn't like Boston doesn't have big time taxes - especially millionaire taxes. Belichick calls it taxssachusetts.

Idk why people think he just wants to get paid and doesn't care about winning or having a stable qb.

there's only a situation or two in the league that would be as good as the niners if you can get paid and still compete for a chip.

Yup, agreed. He wants to get paid market value like every other damn WR is currently getting. Folks in here are like this is what we're offering, don't like it shut up. Meanwhile if a player gets hurt or doesn't play to their contract, we all want them cut lol.

an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

That's what I meant. Teams follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA. Some players don't even know what that is lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's pretty clear that he wants to get paid and win. How actions have made that clear.

it isn't like Boston doesn't have big time taxes - especially millionaire taxes. Belichick calls it taxssachusetts.

Idk why people think he just wants to get paid and doesn't care about winning or having a stable qb.

there's only a situation or two in the league that would be as good as the niners if you can get paid and still compete for a chip.

Yup, agreed. He wants to get paid market value like every other damn WR is currently getting. Folks in here are like this is what we're offering, don't like it shut up. Meanwhile if a player gets hurt or doesn't play to their contract, we all want them cut lol.

an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

That's what I meant. Teams follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA. Some players don't even know what that is lol

Yeah and that's frustrating to me. Negotiating with someone who doesn't care what the rules are or know can be difficult. I'm not saying the teams are innocent here but in a situation like ours - you need guys to be well informed and rational. otherwise, you end up with a 8 month long drag out like we've had with Aiyuk.

Franchise A - We want to buy this "lambo" but we've already got 8 RR and Ferraris or so. For me to fit this next one in our budget - I need the dealership to work with me. I can afford it but I can't afford to pay top dollar. need to work out a fair deal for both parties.

Franchise B - I don't have any luxury cars that I'm currently paying and I desperately want one, I'll pay above market value to get one.

Need the salesman to realize the situation and work with me - not just demand the best he can get, since the car is best suited to go to the guy with the fleet already and is best suited to take care of it best long term. Instead of the guy with nothing who will just use and abuse it, not give it the best situation.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's pretty clear that he wants to get paid and win. How actions have made that clear.

it isn't like Boston doesn't have big time taxes - especially millionaire taxes. Belichick calls it taxssachusetts.

Idk why people think he just wants to get paid and doesn't care about winning or having a stable qb.

there's only a situation or two in the league that would be as good as the niners if you can get paid and still compete for a chip.

Yup, agreed. He wants to get paid market value like every other damn WR is currently getting. Folks in here are like this is what we're offering, don't like it shut up. Meanwhile if a player gets hurt or doesn't play to their contract, we all want them cut lol.

an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

That's what I meant. Teams follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA. Some players don't even know what that is lol

Yeah and that's frustrating to me. Negotiating with someone who doesn't care what the rules are or know can be difficult. I'm not saying the teams are innocent here but in a situation like ours - you need guys to be well informed and rational. otherwise, you end up with a 8 month long drag out like we've had with Aiyuk.

Franchise A - We want to buy this "lambo" but we've already got 8 RR and Ferraris or so. For me to fit this next one in our budget - I need the dealership to work with me. I can afford it but I can't afford to pay top dollar. need to work out a fair deal for both parties.

Franchise B - I don't have any luxury cars that I'm currently paying and I desperately want one, I'll pay above market value to get one.

Need the salesman to realize the situation and work with me - not just demand the best he can get, since the car is best suited to go to the guy with the fleet already and is best suited to take care of it best long term. Instead of the guy with nothing who will just use and abuse it, not give it the best situation.

It was just 5 years ago that JG became the highest paid QB at about $25 million per year. Now there are about 8 WRs making that much and QBs are approaching $50 million. Salaries doubling in 5 years. How is this sustainable in the long run?

Originally posted by tankle104:
an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

Kinda disagree there. They care about their GTD $ more than anything end of the day….The cap isn't just about that and it's consistently being manipulated. Every yr we see teams that are massively in the red and end up just fine.

you bring up the Vikings…well I'll bring up Philly. Currently paying two high end WRs top 10 $, top 4 paid TE, top 5 paid LT, top 4 paid RT, top 5 paid QB. Highest paid LG. They were consistently paying elite money to their DT and will have to pay one of them very soon. Slay was at one point one of the highest paid CB and is making the same cash as Ward. They just gave Bryce Huff a $50M deal etc etc.

No one is calling Philly a s**t organization that doesn't win games. For years they've maintain a damn good roster and paid dudes. That's how you stay relevant.

I also disagree that Lamb's deal affects Dak/parsons as well. They got Lawrence/martin/cooks all gone after this yr. They're older and will be playing elsewhere.

only reason they're not extending Dak right now is because they don't know if they think he's they're long-term guy. If they thought that he was, he would have been paid and his cap hit would be massively reduced this yr.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
That's what I meant. Teams follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA. Some players don't even know what that is lol

And that's why they have an agent who's takes like 2% of their earnings. They do know how it all works inside and out.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's pretty clear that he wants to get paid and win. How actions have made that clear.

it isn't like Boston doesn't have big time taxes - especially millionaire taxes. Belichick calls it taxssachusetts.

Idk why people think he just wants to get paid and doesn't care about winning or having a stable qb.

there's only a situation or two in the league that would be as good as the niners if you can get paid and still compete for a chip.

Yup, agreed. He wants to get paid market value like every other damn WR is currently getting. Folks in here are like this is what we're offering, don't like it shut up. Meanwhile if a player gets hurt or doesn't play to their contract, we all want them cut lol.

an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

Good post. Someone suggested creating a formula to limit WR pay, and I countered it's self limiting, because if you overpay in a team sport and a cap league, you make yourself a loser, either by individual or postion group.. If the Diva WR's pay gets out of balance, get cheaper people still with skills to offer, and perhaps find another way like putting money into the TE and RB's. Oh Wait, we already do that.

Like Mama said, if your friends .....

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's pretty clear that he wants to get paid and win. How actions have made that clear.

it isn't like Boston doesn't have big time taxes - especially millionaire taxes. Belichick calls it taxssachusetts.

Idk why people think he just wants to get paid and doesn't care about winning or having a stable qb.

there's only a situation or two in the league that would be as good as the niners if you can get paid and still compete for a chip.

Yup, agreed. He wants to get paid market value like every other damn WR is currently getting. Folks in here are like this is what we're offering, don't like it shut up. Meanwhile if a player gets hurt or doesn't play to their contract, we all want them cut lol.

an issue I've historically had with players attitudes towards getting paid is that they aren't educated on how the salary cap and all that works. I've seen dozens of interviews with ex and current players talking about how they don't care about the salary cap and don't want to know anything about it - team can come up with the money.

I feel like that makes it way harder to negotiate a rational contract. I 100% understand players wanting to get paid but they also need to realize that if you're in a winning program, surrounded by top tier talent all over, it's hard to get max value. being in a situation like that comes at a cost, typically (unless you're hands down one of the best players in the league like Trent,warner, kittle or Bosa).

The cowboys resigning Lamb to that contract is going to come at a serious cost, potentially losing Parsons or Dak. The vikings aren't paying anyone besides old cousins contract and jefferson.

If aiyuk wants to be in a program of this caliber, then he needs to be rational about the contract and his status in the league. He's very good but not great. the team needs to pay him accordingly also. like the 28-29M range. IMO.

That's what I meant. Teams follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA. Some players don't even know what that is lol

Yeah and that's frustrating to me. Negotiating with someone who doesn't care what the rules are or know can be difficult. I'm not saying the teams are innocent here but in a situation like ours - you need guys to be well informed and rational. otherwise, you end up with a 8 month long drag out like we've had with Aiyuk.

Franchise A - We want to buy this "lambo" but we've already got 8 RR and Ferraris or so. For me to fit this next one in our budget - I need the dealership to work with me. I can afford it but I can't afford to pay top dollar. need to work out a fair deal for both parties.

Franchise B - I don't have any luxury cars that I'm currently paying and I desperately want one, I'll pay above market value to get one.

Need the salesman to realize the situation and work with me - not just demand the best he can get, since the car is best suited to go to the guy with the fleet already and is best suited to take care of it best long term. Instead of the guy with nothing who will just use and abuse it, not give it the best situation.

It was just 5 years ago that JG became the highest paid QB at about $25 million per year. Now there are about 8 WRs making that much and QBs are approaching $50 million. Salaries doubling in 5 years. How is this sustainable in the long run?

It's not sustainable and let's use Brock as an example. There is no way in hell, no matter the outcome this season, even if a SB win, he is worth more than Mahomes. Even for Brock, $60m a year, even $50m a year is a joke. It's not possible I guess but it seems you need a real grading for players somehow and a cap based on grade and is this contract two or contract three etc. it seems to me the super big money comes from contract three and perhaps no contract should be longer than three years. It's not just QB but all positions.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
That's what I meant. Teams follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA. Some players don't even know what that is lol

And that's why they have an agent who's takes like 2% of their earnings. They do know how it all works inside and out.

I'm willing to bet Aiyuk's agent is tired of dealing with him 😂

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It was just 5 years ago that JG became the highest paid QB at about $25 million per year. Now there are about 8 WRs making that much and QBs are approaching $50 million. Salaries doubling in 5 years. How is this sustainable in the long run?

2024 NFL Salary Cap: $255.5M
2018 NFL Salary cap: $177.2M

So in the last 6 years - the salary cap has increased 44% since 2018. lol meanwhile QB & WR salaries have nearly more than doubled in that same timespan.

Highest WR Cap hit in 2018: $18.75M - Mike Evans
Highest WR Cap hit in 2024: $31.9M - Tyreke Hill
a 70% increase

If you do the math on what the cap is expected to rise, i dont think its sustainable. It's only sustainable if most other positions have very small increases in their value.

Yeah the salary cap is going to keep going up but it isn't going up fast enough. Other positions will start demanding higher pay and pushing for it - making teams even more hard to sustain if you have a QB/DE/WR/OT on the team (or all of them).

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the near future.

Keep in mind: there are a lot of ways to manipulate the salary cap and it can get a lot more granular than what I posted above. that's just a high level view but I don't think it's sustainable if you have a lot of talent like we do. something will have to give shortly. especially with resigning guys to max contracts like Brock

Still cryin? Smh

What an unfortunate situation
..all the millions and wants millions more. Rough lol

Originally posted by Montana:
Still cryin? Smh

What an unfortunate situation
..all the millions and wants millions more. Rough lol

The sad thing is they are often arguing over a difference of $2 million dollars per year. That's more than most fans will ever earn in their life. I think the fans care more about winning than some of the players do. Players worry about being the highest paid player at their position. Fans worry about how are they going to pay for tickets.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Montana:
Still cryin? Smh

What an unfortunate situation
..all the millions and wants millions more. Rough lol

The sad thing is they are often arguing over a difference of $2 million dollars per year. That's more than most fans will ever earn in their life. I think the fans care more about winning than some of the players do. Players worry about being the highest paid player at their position. Fans worry about how are they going to pay for tickets.

In no way, a 2 mill dollar difference is what's causing this

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Good post. Someone suggested creating a formula to limit WR pay, and I countered it's self limiting, because if you overpay in a team sport and a cap league, you make yourself a loser, either by individual or postion group.. If the Diva WR's pay gets out of balance, get cheaper people still with skills to offer, and perhaps find another way like putting money into the TE and RB's. Oh Wait, we already do that.

Like Mama said, if your friends .....

If WRs weren't valuable and easy to replace, they wouldn't get paid what they do. The market works itself out. The only position out of whack imo is the QB position. They're constantly resetting the market regardless if they're the best player at their position

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It was just 5 years ago that JG became the highest paid QB at about $25 million per year. Now there are about 8 WRs making that much and QBs are approaching $50 million. Salaries doubling in 5 years. How is this sustainable in the long run?

Its doable as long as the government keeps printing money.