🏆 SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS PREGAME THREAD - SUPER BOWL LIV 🏆

In my life time, I've got to see my teams play in a total of 6 championships. 2 in college football, 2 in the NBA and 2 in the NFL. And I"m 1-5 in those games, the lone victory being the 49ers 1994 Super Bowl Victory.

I'm thinking of becoming a Chiefs fan for the superbowl.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Snitch:
I agree with this. One of the greatest one season turn arounds in NFL history. We rank no. 2

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28538404/ranking-most-unlikely-super-bowl-teams-ever-where-2019-49ers-land

The '81 team ranks #3!

I hope this is the beginning of the 49er Dynasty #2!

Will be taller order than DeBartolo era. I really respect that the Patriots dynasty was in the salary cap era. Incredible achievement. You need a great coach, QB and a proven system where you can plug and play with support players who aren't household names. No more no-brainer Bosa gifts when you draft at the end of the round. But some of our best draft picks were later round guys anyway. We've whiffed on plenty of early rounders.

I'd take the opposite tack. The Salary cap benefits the bottom feeders. It forces the teams on top of the food chain to let go their good players for the benefit of the bottom feeders. In pre-salary cap days, you could keep Jimmy G. for 5+ years or more. So in a sense, it's easier in a lot of ways today to go from 4-12 to 8-8. Add in that if you have stockpiled some good draft picks for a couple of years and then happen to pick a good coach that can coach up those stockpiled draft picks, you can go from 4-12 to 13-3 in a season, but a lot of things have to fall in place for that to happen.

Having said that, going from 8-8 to 13-3 (and maintaining something that the Patriots have done over two decades) conversely is harder because of the system that forces teams like the Patriots to let go guys like Nate Solder, for example. So the real difference makers now are coaches that have the ability to evaluate players and get free agents, undrafted players, and drafted players on their teams -- because the system in place makes the talent level so even for every team in the NFL.

For todays coaches, I think they have more options regarding getting players. In the past, the draft was the number one way to get players, there were trades, but those were few and far between -- teams didn't like giving up good players for unknown draft picks unless they were bringing a new coaching team to the organization. Free agency wasn't as robust as it is now. Coaches today - if given a good front office structure and are good in and of themselves, generally will make good player acquisition decisions and can remake their team in one year to be a pretty good one.

That's why I applaud the 49ers trying to retain all their good coaches (Woods) and also applaud them for getting rid of bad coaches. (zgonina and halfley)

ESPN can't stop talking about how great the Chiefs offense is and how Jimmy can't win it for us. Ridiculous!! There's a reason we say defense wins championships, it's been historically proven that a good defense beats a good offense. This will be the case come game time. Also Jimmy has shown he can win games if needed too, the thing is that he hasn't been asked too because our running game is so dominant such as it will be in this game. We are going to run it down they throats and there's nothing they can do about it, meanwhile Mahomes will be doing the same thing we are, watching!!

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

ESPN can't stop talking about how great the Chiefs offense is and how Jimmy can't win it for us. Ridiculous!! There's a reason we say defense wins championships, it's been historically proven that a good defense beats a good offense. This will be the case come game time. Also Jimmy has shown he can win games if needed too, the thing is that he hasn't been asked too because our running game is so dominant such as it will be in this game. We are going to run it down they throats and there's nothing they can do about it, meanwhile Mahomes will be doing the same thing we are, watching!!

Let em sleep on us.

I still think our physicality will play a huge role in this game. One that can not be overstated

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think next year we are going to see a massive leap in jimmy, his QB play will be spectacular. He still needs to iron out the bonehead throws from time to time that either do get picked or get close to it. mahommes doesnt have any turnovers in the playoffs - ever. He has something ridiculous like 10 touchdowns and 0 turnovers just in the playoffs this year.

I feel like Mahomes def on another level rn but I think jimmy is going to catch up next year.

I don't know where Jimmy is going to catch up. He's playing really well now and his quick release and overall play are already high. The only areas that Mahomes is better is arm strength which helps the deep ball accuracy and his ability to scramble. I don't see jimmy getting a lot better at either. His arm is what it is, good but not spectacular. He will never be a good scrambler because he just doesn't have much speed. He may get better on deep passes with more work with his receivers but I don't see him catching up to Mahomes who has rare arm talent.

I'm okay with Jimmy like he is. A couple of tweaks here and there and that's about it. He will never be able to throw like Mahomes but there are very few that can. Short precise passing and command of the game plan are all that's needed most of the time in Kyle's offense. Mix in an occasional 35 yarder to someone open downfield and that's it. We win.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yup. People arent watching the Chargers defense vs the Chiefs offense which is a similar match up scheme and talent wise. We have more talent but they have some stud. Seems like they held the Chiefs offense down pretty well and didn't give up to many big plays.

Was the SD vs KC game in week 17 a meaningful game for KC, or was that a meaningless game for them? SD held KC to 180, then 174 yards passing in their two meetings. Interesting.

I watched the condensed version of the Week 11 matchup between the Chiefs and Chargers in Mexico City. The Chargers had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play, but Phillip Rivers threw his fourth pick. (I can't recall ever watching a Chargers game where Rivers didn't cost his team with a pick). The Chiefs defense looked pretty ordinary. Clark can get after it in the pass rush. Mathieu is an excellent safety. Given Jimmy's tendency to throw in the middle, this is a bit of a concern. Guy is a ball hawk. Offensively, the Chiefs didn't do a ton, but enough, scoring 24. I don't think the Chargers blitzed a lot, so Mahomes was struggling with a lot of tight windows. But, in terms of protection, the Chargers barely got any heat on him at all. I also found it troubling that Joey Bosa, almost a carbon copy of Nick, wasn't ever getting close to Mahomes. Deep drops, side steps, ball out of his hands before anyone could lay a hand on him. Looks like he will be hard to sack, but San Diego doesn't have the same kind of complementary talent on the defensive line to support Joey Bosa.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by Oregon49erfan:
Is it game time yet?!?!?

Soon.

In the meantime, just look out your window and enjoy the bright, sunshiny day.

What?!? It's F'n raining and 40 degrees here in Alabama right now. Gonna be a grey, rainy day all day long. You might even hear the sounds of raindrops in the background of my next video.

I feel your pain. Oregonian, here.

if it's not summer, it's raining. Usually...kinda hard.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yup. People arent watching the Chargers defense vs the Chiefs offense which is a similar match up scheme and talent wise. We have more talent but they have some stud. Seems like they held the Chiefs offense down pretty well and didn't give up to many big plays.

Was the SD vs KC game in week 17 a meaningful game for KC, or was that a meaningless game for them? SD held KC to 180, then 174 yards passing in their two meetings. Interesting.

I watched the condensed version of the Week 11 matchup between the Chiefs and Chargers in Mexico City. The Chargers had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play, but Phillip Rivers threw his fourth pick. (I can't recall ever watching a Chargers game where Rivers didn't cost his team with a pick). The Chiefs defense looked pretty ordinary. Clark can get after it in the pass rush. Mathieu is an excellent safety. Given Jimmy's tendency to throw in the middle, this is a bit of a concern. Guy is a ball hawk. Offensively, the Chiefs didn't do a ton, but enough, scoring 24. I don't think the Chargers blitzed a lot, so Mahomes was struggling with a lot of tight windows. But, in terms of protection, the Chargers barely got any heat on him at all. I also found it troubling that Joey Bosa, almost a carbon copy of Nick, wasn't ever getting close to Mahomes. Deep drops, side steps, ball out of his hands before anyone could lay a hand on him. Looks like he will be hard to sack, but San Diego doesn't have the same kind of complementary talent on the defensive line to support Joey Bosa.

If there's one guy I'm wary of on KC's defense it's Mathieu. Yeah he's a ballhawk and very intelligent when he's near the line of scrimmage. If he's lined up at slot or near the line, he can be a threat to blitz. 49ers have to be aware in both the run and pass. I'm not worried about him man covering Kittle, but him roaming the underneath zones is where he is dangerous and where Jimmy seems to occasionally not see defenders.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Yup. People arent watching the Chargers defense vs the Chiefs offense which is a similar match up scheme and talent wise. We have more talent but they have some stud. Seems like they held the Chiefs offense down pretty well and didn't give up to many big plays.

Was the SD vs KC game in week 17 a meaningful game for KC, or was that a meaningless game for them? SD held KC to 180, then 174 yards passing in their two meetings. Interesting.

I watched the condensed version of the Week 11 matchup between the Chiefs and Chargers in Mexico City. The Chargers had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play, but Phillip Rivers threw his fourth pick. (I can't recall ever watching a Chargers game where Rivers didn't cost his team with a pick). The Chiefs defense looked pretty ordinary. Clark can get after it in the pass rush. Mathieu is an excellent safety. Given Jimmy's tendency to throw in the middle, this is a bit of a concern. Guy is a ball hawk. Offensively, the Chiefs didn't do a ton, but enough, scoring 24. I don't think the Chargers blitzed a lot, so Mahomes was struggling with a lot of tight windows. But, in terms of protection, the Chargers barely got any heat on him at all. I also found it troubling that Joey Bosa, almost a carbon copy of Nick, wasn't ever getting close to Mahomes. Deep drops, side steps, ball out of his hands before anyone could lay a hand on him. Looks like he will be hard to sack, but San Diego doesn't have the same kind of complementary talent on the defensive line to support Joey Bosa.

Yeah I didn't care what the offense did cause I wanted to see how our schemes would work against the chiefs. The Chargers run a very similar defensive schemes to us and it took away the big play mostly. We have better LBs than the Chargers and our FS has more experience than the Chargers rookie. And I would say the Chargers edge guys are very similar to ours but interior we have a major edge. This was also week 17 and the Chargers weren't playing for anything but pride while the Chiefs had a bye on the line and it was a competitive game. Take away a big return and some very lazy tackling and this game coulda gone the other way.

I wish the Broncos Vs Chiefs game wasn't in a snow storm so we could see a team running a similar offense vs their defense but in those conditions it was just sloppy football. The game earlier in the year (Mahomes injury game) the Chiefs got beat badly by the Broncos FB In the signature flood concept of this scheme.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
What?!? It's F'n raining and 40 degrees here in Alabama right now. Gonna be a grey, rainy day all day long. You might even hear the sounds of raindrops in the background of my next video.

Just curious JD, what part of Alabama are you in? I go to Huntsville on business from time to time and really like the area.

Originally posted by TyCore:
I feel your pain. Oregonian, here.

if it's not summer, it's raining. Usually...kinda hard.

I moved to Eugene from the Bay Area about 13 years ago. I actually saw harder rain in California. It just rains a lot more often here but a lot of it's just drizzle.

Watching and listening to these pregame shows, we clearly shouldn't even go to Miami, it's very clear that Patrick Mahomes cannot be beaten in this universe or any other.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I didn't care what the offense did cause I wanted to see how our schemes would work against the chiefs. The Chargers run a very similar defensive schemes to us and it took away the big play mostly. We have better LBs than the Chargers and our FS has more experience than the Chargers rookie. And I would say the Chargers edge guys are very similar to ours but interior we have a major edge. This was also week 17 and the Chargers weren't playing for anything but pride while the Chiefs had a bye on the line and it was a competitive game. Take away a big return and some very lazy tackling and this game coulda gone the other way.

I wish the Broncos Vs Chiefs game wasn't in a snow storm so we could see a team running a similar offense vs their defense but in those conditions it was just sloppy football. The game earlier in the year (Mahomes injury game) the Chiefs got beat badly by the Broncos FB In the signature flood concept of this scheme.

Well, I know people dismiss the 2018 Week 3 matchup between the Chiefs and Niners, but Kyle had the same offensive line and called the same running plays. If it makes you feel better, Breida and Morris were pretty effective that day running. I would expect better this year because we have much better receivers and we're executing in the running game better this year.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by TyCore:

I feel your pain. Oregonian, here.

if it's not summer, it's raining. Usually...kinda hard.

I moved to Eugene from the Bay Area about 13 years ago. I actually saw harder rain in California. It just rains a lot more often here but a lot of it's just drizzle.

Bay area to Hawaii, now Poulsbo WA. been raining or snowing last two weeks.