Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
wow, i thought we were done after Bosa went out. These guys are special. Big hats off to Armstead. He was a wrecking ball the whole game. Made everyone around him better

Realizing his immense potential

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
DJ is so disruptive.

And he should be kept and PAID!!

Yep. His rip move on guards and centers is awesome

Shout out to Kocurek. Two things I've noticed:

1-Especially in the last month, all the underachieving and project player acquisitions we've made have really come on. He's really coached and developed them well.

2-The line stunts are really helping Bosa. The sack today against the Cowboys was off a line stunt. They tried to chip Bosa, and completely missed him as he stunted inside, effectively wasting a tight end's route on a useless chip. That's a great adjustment we've made to help out a guy that offenses are trying to scheme out.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Shout out to Kocurek. Two things I've noticed:

1-Especially in the last month, all the underachieving and project player acquisitions we've made have really come on. He's really coached and developed them well.

2-The line stunts are really helping Bosa. The sack today against the Cowboys was off a line stunt. They tried to chip Bosa, and completely missed him as he stunted inside, effectively wasting a tight end's route on a useless chip. That's a great adjustment we've made to help out a guy that offenses are trying to scheme out.

I loved that play! Brilliant coaching adjustment, for sure!

Originally posted by Seattle49er:
Considering the Dallas Oline was holding the whole game they did great.

This x 1000

5 sacks this week
5 sacks last week

We have a top 5 DL again boys.

Top 3 in pass rush and #1 vs the run imo

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by FL9er:
Or quite possibly, he's an avg player that happened to have a career year. And what you are seeing is who he's mostly been during his career. A solid rotational player, but avg starter.

Maybe but I just go by what I see with my eyes, and I saw an edge player that was very crafty with his pass-rush plan and technical with his hands. Dude won with so many different moves. I was pretty damn impressed with each game.

Indeed. I keep saying I want him back, but not sure there is even enough room. My goal is to have the 2020 version of Hyder on this line. A legit 8+ sack guy on the edge opposite of Bosa. The way he one his one on ones, I think would create a NASTY starting lineup of Hyder-Jones-AA-Bosa. I just don't think there will be enough room because my D-line has like 11 guys lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:
DL was fantastic on Sunday. DJ, AA and Bosa were dominant.

They seem to be settling in and Ebukam is very solid in setting the edge and good at reading screens from what I sporadically pay attention too. Not so hot in the rush department. Arden on the inside more too please.

I thought I just read you somewhere saying Key was a JAG..

As for the Dline, we are one high level interior guy (we hope its Kinlaw) and one more high level edge rusher to really wreaking havoc. Hope they are prudent with the first two picks. No getting cute, overdrafts, hoping someone develops, etc. Get a corner and an edge rusher that can contribute immediately.

He is...as an ER. Like AA.

But inside, both are way more comfortable and producing.

Resign Jones and Key and with AA and maybe Kinlaw someday, and that's solid. Then Bosa and buy or draft a real ER and they may finally have their payoff here.

CB or two...no doubt.

I keep hoping Hyder is cut, because I think we can get some high production from him for cheap. Maybe they restructure AA's deal to lower that cap number and give us more room. But AA, Jones, Key, Givens, and Kinlaw are the inside guys. I figure Street will be gone to greener pastures.

Ebukam got better as the season progressed, but his salary needs to be reduced greatly or just release him. Outside, we'd have Bosa, Ebukam, hopefully on a lower cap number, Omenihu,a 3rd down edge rusher from the draft, and a returning Hyder (if released). Jordan Willis is gone to greener pastures in this scenario. It would be funny if the Jets pick him up lol. Gives us 3 starting caliber threats on the outside and can keep everyone fresh. 10 man D-line.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The final regular season tally...

2019 49ers sacks: 48
2021 49ers sacks: 48

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 12, 2022

*1 extra game.

I remember the depth of the d-line being hyped in training camp and then it fell flat when guys like Kerr, Hurst, and Kinlaw never really contributed, but overall the unit came through for us. It's unlikely we'll have a d-line as good as the 2019 version for a long time, but the front 7 is still top tier.

As expected, we have some drop off in terms of pass rushing, but the run defense is far better. I also don't think the 2019 lineup ever had a chance to be a great run D, but the potential is still there for these guys to become better at pass rushing.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

I'm the opposite, if you buy your stuff on 1T's being a dime a dozen. Arden > DJ Jones. But yeah, tough to decide. So, I'd offer them the best under our current cap structure and let *them* decide what to do. I think ShanaLynch values edge rusher over interior rushers - considering what they gave to Dee Ford, and I think they will offer Arden more money than DJ Jones. Also considering that Kinlaw will be back (hopefully) in 2022 to offer the same kind of production that DJ Jones has had.

Hate to lose either of them though. CAP!

I'd have no arguments using my own take against me here either. That said, Arden is still a 3T inside with AA on passing downs. So technically, they are both inside
But pass rush is the premium so who's a better disruptor? Jones at 1T on base downs or Arden at 3T on passing downs? TFL? Run or pass disruptions? Tough call.

And that's a good thing!

Between DJ Jones and Kinlaw, with Kinlaw hopeuflly coming back in 2022. That might be the difference for me. Do you gamble that Kinlaw can replace DJ Jones? I don't know. I know that we didn't re-sign Hyder, and maybe age as well as more money from Seadderal as the reason. But I also think you can get DT's that can absorb double teams - easily in the day three picks or undrafted. It's the gap penetrators that are hard to find. If I had a choice between Kinlaw and DJ Jones, I'd pick DJ because he's available. Between Arden and DJ Jones, I'd really be stressed out and probably vomit under the stress load before I would also pick DJ Jones, because I think he's explosive and can do a lot of stunts and dogs with Bosa. I just don't know about Kinlaw yet to really gamble on him. I need to know how he's rehabbing and how he's recovering. Otherwise, I'll go with availability vs ability. DJ's also been hurt in the past, but hopefully he's more conditioned now such that he's lasted pretty much the whole 18 weeks. Arrow up for DJ for me.

Absolutely not. I'd give Kinlaw some snaps at 1T just to see what he could do and if there's any position versatility. But in my mind, AA is the 3T. Kinlaw backs him up and although you'd like a guy picked at 14 overall to be starting and contributing big time, my only goals for 2022 is that he is healthy, can give us 15-30 snaps a game at 3T, and can develop as a pass rusher. The run D is there for him. We just need more as a pass rusher.

Still need someone to replace Ford opposite Bosa to make this DL even deadlier.

Ebukam is not it for me, and at 8mil next season I think his $$$ would be better spent keeping others and then drafting a guy who (initially at least) can come in on passing downs and go after the QB.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Still need someone to replace Ford opposite Bosa to make this DL even deadlier.

Ebukam is not it for me, and at 8mil next season I think his $$$ would be better spent keeping others and then drafting a guy who (initially at least) can come in on passing downs and go after the QB.

Should be some guys available in the 2nd. Bring back Hyder. Ebukam came on a lot stronger, but is a rotational player. They can reduce his cap number, cut him, or if some team is willing (I doubt it), trade him.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Still need someone to replace Ford opposite Bosa to make this DL even deadlier.

Ebukam is not it for me, and at 8mil next season I think his $$$ would be better spent keeping others and then drafting a guy who (initially at least) can come in on passing downs and go after the QB.

Should be some guys available in the 2nd. Bring back Hyder. Ebukam came on a lot stronger, but is a rotational player. They can reduce his cap number, cut him, or if some team is willing (I doubt it), trade him.

Considering how his contract is structured it does feel like a one year trial run.

Maybe the staff see something I don't (highly possible) but I agree that restructure or cut are the likely options as he can't stay at the cost of 8mil next season.

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So, whatever we're paying Kocurek, double his salary stat...and write in a no-move clause.

Originally posted by Hopper:
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Here is LT 77 Tyron losing way too often to 92 Charles Omenihu and 94 Jordan Willis. pic.twitter.com/pwsXRr3bLK

— Bob Sturm (@SportsSturm) January 17, 2022

Those guys stepped up without Bosa. We needed it.

Beast!

"Everybody eats, b."

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Hopper:
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Here is LT 77 Tyron losing way too often to 92 Charles Omenihu and 94 Jordan Willis. pic.twitter.com/pwsXRr3bLK

— Bob Sturm (@SportsSturm) January 17, 2022

Those guys stepped up without Bosa. We needed it.

Love it! And to think the DLine is *better* when Bosa is healthy.