Team Friendly Contracts. Bad?

"Team friendly" is a misnomer for a front-loaded contract with options if it implies that the player is not benefitting from such a contract as well. It works for the player as well...assuming he has a good financial advisor.

Instead of the guaranteed money being spread out, the player gets most of it upfront. They can then invest it and start earning a return right away instead of having it bit-by-bit.

If they are concerned about injury, the guarantee can cover that, as per the Dee Ford deal (if I understand it correctly).

Most players are willing to bet on themselves as a means to a higher front load and take the options as they are laid out. (again, the Ford deal is informative) Few players really want to get paid if they suck so they accept the option deal because they know it is fair.

Both sides are protected with deals like this. It is not a one-way street.

love these contracts, so i vote NO

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
That's probably why no good free agents sign with niners.

Really good no free agents?

Richard Sherman
Elvis Dumervil
Alfred Morris
Logan Paulsen
Weston Richburgh
Pierre Garcon
Jason Verrett
Jerrick McKinnon
Kyle Juszczyk
Earl Mitchell
Tevin Coleman
Kwon Alexander
Jordan Matthews
Brian Hoyer
Robbie Gould
Marquise Goodwin

Again stop trolling or you're out.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Most of these contracts the 49ers give out start with huge money up front. Most players do not have a problem with that.

Yea posters around here seem to be confused in that concept.

Some were calling Jerricks contract team friendly , saying we could cut him easily now. Well if we did then we invested 18 mil in him to never play a down. Nothing about that is team friendly lmao. It's a s**t contract that was the result of a bidding war.

If we don't use salary cap. It rolls over to the next year. All that guaranteed money to jerrick would've been nice.

Also paraags contract are nothing out of the ordinary. Nobody gets fully guaranteed contracts in the nfl. They almost always have 1-3 out of 5 years guaranteed.

To give him credit. I do love all the front loading we do, and getting the guaranteed money out the way as soon as possible, especially if we have space at the moment.

Jed York and the family loses money, but team friendly is in reference to the cap. as they move forward. So if it is front loaded in the first or to the second year, you don't get hit in the following year like some of the other contracts. As for others, the point is if they ball you keep them and inflation will account for the remainder. As for JM, I believe you will take a hit still if he is let go now, he has another season to go, before we has minimal impact. Not everones contract is like this.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
Ah yes the taxes. Does that effect the Niners the same way as the Chargers, Rams and Raiders?

Should the cap space be reflective of the states tax level? Who has these tax rate?

The other three are in the same state, same charges, same effect. However, another is the COLA in each municipality.

Originally posted by WildBill:

The other three are in the same state, same charges, same effect. However, another is the COLA in each municipality.

COLA.? So is this team under San Fransisco or Santa Clara? Or are they the same region? Are the differences dramatic? To me this is interesting knowing how much Silicon Valley has an effect and the Real Estate prices are in the region.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
That's probably why no good free agents sign with niners.

Really good no free agents?

Richard Sherman
Elvis Dumervil
Alfred Morris
Logan Paulsen
Weston Richburgh
Pierre Garcon
Jason Verrett
Jerrick McKinnon
Kyle Juszczyk
Earl Mitchell
Tevin Coleman
Kwon Alexander
Jordan Matthews
Brian Hoyer
Robbie Gould
Marquise Goodwin

Again stop trolling or you're out.

^ This.

Only the WZ would try to spin a good thing into a bad one lol 🥴

Players get front loaded cash (which they want) then if they ball they get paid top end money, if not they're out and can hit FA again.

I'm glad our FO doesn't fork over tons of money long-term for most players based on what they've done on other teams. You want top money LT then earn it on OUR team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Only the WZ would try to spin a good thing into a bad one lol 🥴

Players get front loaded cash (which they want) then if they ball they get paid top end money, if not they're out and can hit FA again.

I'm glad our FO doesn't fork over tons of money long-term for most players based on what they've done on other teams. You want top money LT then earn it on OUR team.

Agreed. It's still grounded in moneyball principles of course but I like this approach far more than their mid-tier approach the previous 18 years.

1. In the first wave of FA, frontload premium position contracts to keep cap hits lower going forward when you have the money (i.e. $37M to JG in 2019)
2. Target young players (cost more) in FA who have an injury risk or could be considered one-year wonders (or "ascending" players as JL said). This keeps your guarantees substantially lower and allows you to build in annual ripcords.
3. Be willing to overpay for low-priority positions (i.e. RB/FB)
4. Target second and third wave of FA on low-risk/high-reward players (i.e. Verrett)
5. Roll over $30-$40M annually; stay within budget
6. Target released players (i.e. Earl Mitchell) as they do not count against the compensation formula.

Even while executing this 'responsible' plan you can still get burned with spending a collective truck load of cap on players who couldn't get or stay on the field (McKinnon) or age (Garcon/M.Smith).

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ersFanCJinPA:

Like others posters pointed out the huge guaranteed $ up front is appealing. After that the contract becomes basically a prove it deal and most professional athletes are super competitive and will likely bet on themselves to perform so no I don't think it's an issue for the 49ers, plus I'm sure they feel if they do get released they'll get their $ somewhere else

Great post, I was about to write something along those lines, but no need!

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Most of these contracts the 49ers give out start with huge money up front. Most players do not have a problem with that.

Yea posters around here seem to be confused in that concept.

Some were calling Jerricks contract team friendly , saying we could cut him easily now. Well if we did then we invested 18 mil in him to never play a down. Nothing about that is team friendly lmao. It's a s**t contract that was the result of a bidding war.

If we don't use salary cap. It rolls over to the next year. All that guaranteed money to jerrick would've been nice.

Also paraags contract are nothing out of the ordinary. Nobody gets fully guaranteed contracts in the nfl. They almost always have 1-3 out of 5 years guaranteed.

To give him credit. I do love all the front loading we do, and getting the guaranteed money out the way as soon as possible, especially if we have space at the moment.

I agree. It gives the team future flexibility and also prevents the team from overloading too much cap into the free agent side of the equation. You can only do so much front loading until you run out of cap space.

I like his front loading because even stars like Dee Ford, there is no guarantee that his past 2018 performance will result in 2019 actual production. It's a gamble and a guess, and that's why I like the fact that you can cut a McKinnon or a Ford after one year without too much of a cap issue, if they fail to live up to expectations.

Originally posted by susweel:

That's probably why no good free agents sign with niners.

Darth Susweel, these are not the posters you are looking for.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
That's probably why no good free agents sign with niners.

Really good no free agents?

Richard Sherman
Elvis Dumervil
Alfred Morris
Logan Paulsen
Weston Richburgh
Pierre Garcon
Jason Verrett
Jerrick McKinnon
Kyle Juszczyk
Earl Mitchell
Tevin Coleman
Kwon Alexander
Jordan Matthews
Brian Hoyer
Robbie Gould
Marquise Goodwin

Again stop trolling or you're out.

Im just sharing my opinion like everyone else, no need to bully me for my opinion about the team. In my opinion i don't see very many good players on that list other than robbie gould and juice but even juice is wildly overpaid and majority of the teams in the NFL don't even use a fb.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
That's probably why no good free agents sign with niners.

Really good no free agents?

Richard Sherman
Elvis Dumervil
Alfred Morris
Logan Paulsen
Weston Richburgh
Pierre Garcon
Jason Verrett
Jerrick McKinnon
Kyle Juszczyk
Earl Mitchell
Tevin Coleman
Kwon Alexander
Jordan Matthews
Brian Hoyer
Robbie Gould
Marquise Goodwin

Again stop trolling or you're out.

Im just sharing my opinion like everyone else, no need to bully me for my opinion about the team. In my opinion i don't see very many good players on that list other than robbie gould and juice but even juice is wildly overpaid and majority of the teams in the NFL don't even use a fb.

So in your opinion Richard Sherman is not a good player and was a poor signing? He was the first on the list, you can't possibly have missed his name.

It's league wide not just the niners