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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
And just like that, my point about weak depth at OL becomes magnified. Garnett did get some reps at center in the off-season. I think our best bet for a starting OL week 1, if Person can't go, is:

LT - Staley
LG - Tomlinson
C - Johnson
RG - Garnett
RT - McGlinchey

(With what we have currently at least)

I don't want Garland at C. He can't snap the ball properly.

I fully agree OTC. I'll be watching Johnson at C again closely. Garnett absolutely has to be the option now. Toran scares the hell out of me.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:

Not looking good for KcKinnon, Boy oh boy. His career may be over.

One never likes to look into a players future, but after a time, spanning two seasons, and the player can't seem to heal...well, then you have to bite the bullet and say, "bad break"...and move on. Not saying it yet, but if he can't go, there has to be a limit on what constitutes being careful, cautious and foolhardy.
Originally posted by NCommand:

I don't see kickers on that list
Originally posted by NCommand:

I agree with that.
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
I don't see kickers on that list

Yeah. ST has to be high on that list esp. if we get a dynamic returner.
NY...here you go.

I know it's still TBD at WR since we haven't seen Hurd in the regular season yet. I also am a believer in Pettis and Deebo. So I'll leave them off this list, but I think the areas where we could add another star talent are:

1. S - Moore and Tartt are playing solid, but the latter has an injury history and the former could use some competition.
2. OG/C - The depth here is so-so, and the starters are solid but not necessarily spectacular.
3. OT - We need an OT of the future. Skule will improve but no promises on Coleman's effectiveness coming off a major injury.
4. CB - Depth is OK, but Sherman is getting older and we should give ourselves options in case anyone falters.
5. DE - You can never have too many star pass rushers.

Honorable mention: LB
Originally posted by NCommand:
NY...here you go.


I don't like thinking about losing about half of the DL this offseason. They've been the lifeblood of this season, and a large part of their effectiveness has been the depth.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I know it's still TBD at WR since we haven't seen Hurd in the regular season yet. I also am a believer in Pettis and Deebo. So I'll leave them off this list, but I think the areas where we could add another star talent are:

1. S - Moore and Tartt are playing solid, but the latter has an injury history and the former could use some competition.
2. OG/C - The depth here is so-so, and the starters are solid but not necessarily spectacular.
3. OT - We need an OT of the future. Skule will improve but no promises on Coleman's effectiveness coming off a major injury.
4. CB - Depth is OK, but Sherman is getting older and we should give ourselves options in case anyone falters.
5. DE - You can never have too many star pass rushers.

Honorable mention: LB

In this passing league, pass rusher checks that box. Ford's uncertain long-term health makes this a priority, though likely next year.

Safety is a close second.

A key feature of every really good team is to have no glaring weakness. If you start there, add a couple of stars on offense and defense, you have a playoff contender. Right now, the 49ers have no glaring weakness. When healthy, every starting member on both offense and defense is "average" or better...and the team is 3-0.

Replacing Staley is important but until we see if Skule can maintain his Steeler play, that remains a question mark. As it stands now, I assume we address that with a late first round pick. Skule could switch that pick to a safety.

I want to see what Wood can do with the current CBs. Spoon's turnaround makes me think we may be OK with Mosely, but Uncle Sherm may turn Grampa Sherm on us before we can react, IDK.
We're 1/4 of the way into the season. For a humbling exercise, I wanted to see how my original off season Free Agency plan was going vs. the moves our FO actually made (of which I liked a lot too minus a couple non-moves).

Starters PFF: NC - FO
LEO Trey Flowers 76.6 - LEO Dee Ford 78.8
FS Adrian Amos 69.1 - FS Jimmie Ward N/A (ref. Tarvarius Moore 57.3)
ER/SAM Preston Smith 79.3 - None
WILL Jordan Hicks 61.6 - WILL Kwon Alexander 75.5
BE Arik Armstead 77.4 - BE Arik Armstead 77.4
RG Mike Person 66.9 - RG Mike Person 66.9

Depth:
LCB Rashaan Melvin 63.7 - LCB Jason Verrett 19.6
XWR John Brown 70.6 - None
ZWR Kevin White N/A - None

Special Teams:
PK Robbie Gould - Robbie Gould
RB Raheem Mostert 74.6 - Raheem Mostert 74.6
SAM Mark Nzeocha 73.1 - Mark Nzeocha 73.1
WILL Elijah Lee PS - Elijah Lee PS

------------------------------------------

NC Shadow Draft - FO
2 - Nick Bosa, ER [went #2] 68.0 - ER Nick Bosa 68.0
36 - Dalton Risner, G/T ??? [went #41] - XWR Deebo Samuel 66.2
67 - Hakeem Butler, ZWR N/A [went #103] - ZWR Jalen Hurd N/A
110 - Amani Hooker, FS 65.3 [went #116] - P Mitch Wishnowsky N/A
148 - Jacob Bailey, P N/A [went #163] - SAM Dre Greenlaw 68.5
176 - Kaden Smith, TE2 N/A [went #176] - TE Kaden Smith N/A
183 - Cole Tracey, PK N/A [went UDFA] - T Justin Skule 59.6
198 - Kelvin Harmon, ZWR 60.2 [went #206] - CB Tim Harris N/A
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 2, 2019 at 11:31 AM ]
My look at the 2020 cap situation, http://49erscap.com/index.php/2019/10/02/taking-a-peak-at-the-49ers-2020-salary-cap-situation-after-the-first-4-weeks-of-the-2019-season/

Also my list of players I'd keep for 2020. Total of 44 players, with very few UFAs Blair and AA, RFA Breida, ERFAs Mullens, Moseley, Wilson, Brunskill, Dwelley, and I outlined in the above article that we can afford to extend DeFo, Kittle, Juice, Spoon, Sherm, and extend AA and Blair, while having money for FAs and the Draft. I hope this puts to rest the trade talks, and people being calm about 2020, we're fine cap wise as long as we stick with our roster.

QB Garoppolo
QB Mullens
RB Coleman
RB Breida
RB Mostert
RB Wilson
FB Juice
WR Goodwin
WR Pettis
WR Samuel
WR Hurd
WR James
TE Kittle
TE Dwelley
C Richburg
LG Tomlinson
RG Person
OG Brunskill
LT Staley
RT McGlinchey
OT Skule
DE Armstead
DE Thomas
DE Blair
DE Ford
DE Bosa
DT Buckner
DT Taylor
DT Street
NT Jones
LB Kwon
LB Warner
LB Greenlaw
LB Nzeocha
LB Al-Shaair
CB Sherman
CB Witherspoon
CB Williams
CB Reed
CB Moseley
FS Moore
PK Gould
P Wishnowsky
LS Nelson

Our biggest offseason needs IMO.

#3 CB
OG Depth
C Depth
#6 WR
#3 TE
EDGE (Hopefully Valoaga sticks on the PS the entire season unless an injury occurs and we elevate him)
DT (I would keep Kevin Givens off the PS to take Sheldon Day's spot, maybe he gets promoted this year)
SS

Let Walk:

TE Celek
OT Young
NT Day
FS Ward

Cuts:

RB McKinnon
SS Tartt (Unless he plays balls out then we could redo his deal)

Undecided:

QB Beathard (Only cause Shanny loves him, and likes having 3 QBs)
TE Toilolo
C Garland
SS Exum

Let me know If I missed anyone.
[ Edited by AB81Rules on Oct 3, 2019 at 2:52 AM ]
She thinks we're pretenders.

Cynthia Frelund

NFC West: San Francisco 49ers (3-0)

The NFC West is the second-toughest division currently (the NFC North is first, as measured by total win projections for the remaining schedule), and the Niners, who had a bye in Week 4, have yet to face a divisional opponent. It's a strong testament to their defense that they are 3-0 despite their offense committing eight total giveaways in three games (their 2.7 per game average is the highest in the NFL). Quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo has committed five total turnovers, with at least one coming in each game. It's very likely that the Niners' playoff hopes will rely on lower-probability wins from Thanksgiving to the end of the regular season (from Weeks 12 to 17, San Francisco is home against Green Bay, at Baltimore, at New Orleans, home against Atlanta, home against the Rams and at Seattle.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
My look at the 2020 cap situation, http://49erscap.com/index.php/2019/10/02/taking-a-peak-at-the-49ers-2020-salary-cap-situation-after-the-first-4-weeks-of-the-2019-season/

Also my list of players I'd keep for 2020. Total of 43 players, with very few UFAs Blair and AA, RFA Breida, ERFAs Mullens, Moseley, Wilson, Brunskill, Dwelley, and I outlined in the above article that we can afford to extend DeFo, Kittle, Juice, Spoon, Sherm, and extend AA and Blair, while having money for FAs and the Draft. I hope this puts to rest the trade talks, and people being calm about 2020, we're fine cap wise as long as we stick with our roster.

QB Garoppolo
QB Mullens
RB Coleman
RB Breida
RB Mostert
RB Wilson
FB Juice
WR Goodwin
WR Pettis
WR Samuel
WR Hurd
WR James
TE Kittle
TE Dwelley
C Richburg
LG Tomlinson
RG Person
OG Brunskill
LT Staley
RT McGlinchey
OT Skule
DE Armstead
DE Thomas
DE Blair
DE Ford
DT Buckner
DT Taylor
DT Street
NT Jones
LB Kwon
LB Warner
LB Greenlaw
LB Nzeocha
LB Al-Shaair
CB Sherman
CB Witherspoon
CB Williams
CB Reed
CB Moseley
FS Moore
PK Gould
P Wishnowsky
LS Nelson

Our biggest offseason needs IMO.

#3 CB
OG Depth
C Depth
#6 WR
#3 TE
EDGE (Hopefully Valoaga sticks on the PS the entire season unless an injury occurs and we elevate him)
DT (I would keep Kevin Givens off the PS to take Sheldon Day's spot, maybe he gets promoted this year)
SS

Let Walk:

TE Celek
OT Young
NT Day
FS Ward

Cuts:

RB McKinnon
SS Tartt (Unless he plays balls out then we could redo his deal)

Undecided:

QB Beathard (Only cause Shanny loves him, and likes having 3 QBs)
TE Toilolo
C Garland
SS Exum

Let me know If I missed anyone.

Awesome awesome work AB. I'll do mine here and see where we match.

2020 Starter Kit:
1. Jimmy Garoppolo
2. Nick Mullens
3. Tevin Coleman
4. Matt Breida
5. Raheem Mostert
6. Jeff Wilson Jr.
7. Kyle Juszczyk
8. George Kittle
9. Levine Toilolo (resign)
10. Ross Dwelley
11. Deebo Samuel
12. Marquise Goodwin
13. Richie James Jr.
14. Trent Taylor
15. Dante Pettis
16. Jalen Hurd
17. Justin Skule
18. Joe Staley
19. Shon Coleman
20. Laken Tomlinson
21. Weston Richburg
22. Mike Person
23. Mike McGlinchey

24. Nick Bosa
25. Kentavius Street
26. Jullian Taylor
27. Solomon Thomas
28. D.J. Jones
29. DeForest Buckner
30. Dee Ford
31. Ronald Blair
32. Dre Greenlaw
33. Mark Nzeocha
34. Fred Warner
35. Kwon Alexander
36. Azeez Al-Shaair
37. Ahkello Witherspoon
38. K'Waun Williams
39. Emmanuel Moseley
40. Richard Sherman
41. D.J. Reed
42. Tarvarius Moore
43. Jaquiski Tartt
44. Kyle Nelson
45. Robbie Gould
46. Mitch Wishnowsky

Let Walk:
Garrett Celek
Garrison Sanborn
Jimmie Ward
Kendrick Bourne
Daniel Brunskill
Ben Garland
Arik Armstead
Sheldon Day
Jason Verrett

Cuts:
Jerick McKinnon
Tim Harris
Marcell Harris

Trade:
C.J. BeatHard

Undecided:
Jaryd Jones-Smith
Jeremiah Valoaga
Kevin Givens
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 2, 2019 at 4:09 PM ]
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