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The win over the Seahawks will be the turning point going forward for the Niners

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  • cciowa
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Originally posted by 9erReign:
Turning point already happened last year against the Jags. Don't you remember?

we beat the best defense in the nfl. our o line is not as bad as we think and now we have a whole off season to get kyles offense down pat. 11 wins and playoffs. book it. oh wait... jimmy got hurt. never mind the team stunk before he got hurt but maybe it will be different
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Honestly, you typed a lot but said very little. This idea that winning one game is better than any one player is complete baloney. How do people not see the hole in that logic?

If that was the case... you would cut Buckner for winning against the Rams. You would trade away Jimmy G for a win against the Bears right? Because one win means more for the team than any one player. LMAO.

Seriously some of you need to snap back to reality. We have had season after season where we get a late win that never carried over to a good start to the next season or even wins the next year period. WHY?! Because no one cares what you did a year ago, a week ago, or even a play ago. Why do you hear players say things like "we are just taking it game by game" or "any given Sunday"? It is because there is so much parody that you can not rest on a past win ever. No one cares.
this times infinity. it plays well with the homer base though
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The saints winning and the rams losing means it is highly likely saints will secure home field next week, which means the rams will have nothing to play for week 17 which means a victory for the 49ers which means a lower draft choice which means mediocrity for the next 10 years.

People here love misery, eh?
What was the nickname of the defense for the only undefeated team in league history?

"The No Name Defense".
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by BOI49er:
What was the nickname of the defense for the only undefeated team in league history?

"The No Name Defense".

now our defense is being compared to the 72 dolphins. good lord. i assume a thread saying. is our defense really as bad as we thought . forthcoming?
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
What was the nickname of the defense for the only undefeated team in league history?

"The No Name Defense".

now our defense is being compared to the 72 dolphins. good lord. i assume a thread saying. is our defense really as bad as we thought . forthcoming?

No. I'm saying teamwork is more important than 10 guys standing around waiting for Nick Bosa to make a play.
  • Buchy
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Honestly, you typed a lot but said very little. This idea that winning one game is better than any one player is complete baloney. How do people not see the hole in that logic?

If that was the case... you would cut Buckner for winning against the Rams. You would trade away Jimmy G for a win against the Bears right? Because one win means more for the team than any one player. LMAO.

Seriously some of you need to snap back to reality. We have had season after season where we get a late win that never carried over to a good start to the next season or even wins the next year period. WHY?! Because no one cares what you did a year ago, a week ago, or even a play ago. Why do you hear players say things like "we are just taking it game by game" or "any given Sunday"? It is because there is so much parody that you can not rest on a past win ever. No one cares.

Parity, parody is something different.

You are very far off the mark. The league history is littered with high drafted and highly rated players flaming out, being busts or suffering career ending injuries.

Pinning your hopes on drafting one guy and thinking that one guy is a guaranteed hit, HOF player or can single handedly carry the team in every game is naive at best, but frankly stupid. It's a gamble.

This is not one random win, it's not about notching a lucky W. This was out-fighting a good rival through strength of will and character with a team of inexperienced, young players.
[ Edited by Buchy on Dec 18, 2018 at 11:12 AM ]
Originally posted by Buchy:
Parity, parody is something different.

You are very far off the mark. The league history is littered with high drafted and highly rated players flaming out, being busts or suffering career ending injuries.

Pinning your hopes on drafting one guy and thinking that one guy is a guaranteed hit, HOF player or can single handedly carry the team in every game is naive at best, but frankly stupid. It's a gamble.

This is not one random win, it's not about notching a lucky W. This was out-fighting a good rival through strength of will and character.

Everyone knows my grammar sucks so let's not talk about that lol

There are draft busts ≠ winning this game > getting Bosa.

You and anyone else who have said the above statement can't give evidence to prove your stance because there is none. What there is though are plenty of examples like Garrett vs Thomas and seeing how one win hurt our team and helped the Browns. There are examples of the Jags who won so many games last year and had a "winning culture" that meant nothing this year.

Talent, coaching, and effort is what wins games. We have the coaching and effort imo but we lack the talent to compete for the Superbowl. Getting the highest pick possible gives you the best chance to actually get a game changing player plus getting a chance to coach the senior bowl would be huge. We used that to our advantage to build our last Superbowl team but I'm sure you forget that because anyone who shares your stance has a lack of history.

So I'm sorry but... YOU'RE VERY OFF THE MARK.
[ Edited by Waterbear on Dec 18, 2018 at 11:13 AM ]
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by susweel:
tldr

This
lol,, the same thing was said with our little win streak last year..

Oh got ya. We are building a winning culture. It worked out for us this year for sure.
Yet "one player" in Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper basically transformed their teams into division winners.

Sorry...this game is about talent. Winning can transform culture just as well but in reverse.

I know we need to justify losing out on a premier player at a premier need position but 99% of the players coming in already have good character, work ethics and strong belief in their abilities (winning makeup) but they ALL are leaning on the players next to them.

But the 7-1 record in December is nothing more than that once the final 2018 season whistle blows. Everything starts over after that but talent remains...

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The saints winning and the rams losing means it is highly likely saints will secure home field next week, which means the rams will have nothing to play for week 17 which means a victory for the 49ers which means a lower draft choice which means mediocrity for the next 10 years.

The Rams still need to stay ahead of the Bears for the #2 seed, so they could still want to win the last week of the season......unless we beat the Bears this weekend.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The saints winning and the rams losing means it is highly likely saints will secure home field next week, which means the rams will have nothing to play for week 17 which means a victory for the 49ers which means a lower draft choice which means mediocrity for the next 10 years.

A bye? If the Bears win out and the Rams lose a game, they are tied and the Bears would get the bye.
Honestly Bosa was the guy that could save the regime, two years in a row missing out on elite talent due to meaningless wins Chubbs, Saquon, and now Bosa.

SEA is still in the drivers seat for a playoff berth, 49ers haven't made the playoffs since Jim Harbaugh. I just don't see how this win is a turning point with SEA and LA so far ahead and AZ will soon have Bosa. If anything that win actually stuck a fork in Shanalynch.
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Everyone knows my grammar sucks so let's not talk about that lol

There are draft busts ≠ winning this game > getting Bosa.

You and anyone else who have said the above statement can't give evidence to prove your stance because there is none. What there is though are plenty of examples like Garrett vs Thomas and seeing how one win hurt our team and helped the Browns. There are examples of the Jags who won so many games last year and had a "winning culture" that meant nothing this year.

Talent, coaching, and effort is what wins games. We have the coaching and effort imo but we lack the talent to compete for the Superbowl. Getting the highest pick possible gives you the best chance to actually get a game changing player plus getting a chance to coach the senior bowl would be huge. We used that to our advantage to build our last Superbowl team but I'm sure you forget that because anyone who shares your stance has a lack of history.

So I'm sorry but... YOU'RE VERY OFF THE MARK.

Which franchise is the most consistent play-off team over the last decade? New England, they are almost never picking high in the draft. Same with the Steelers, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Chiefs and others.

You mention the Browns, but how were they playing under Hugh? They have turned around because of a culture change brought about by new Coaches. The Vikings and Bears have done the same.

You act is if talent can only be found in the top 5, talent can be found throughout the draft but what a team does with the talent, how they coach it and the expectation they set for it is more important.

Which number one picks of recent years are dominant game changers? You cite Garrett but what about Donald, Watt and Mack? All picked around or later than we are projected to pick.

A winning culture and the coaching expectation is more important than the talent difference between two players selected 5 or 6 picks apart.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Yet "one player" in Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper basically transformed their teams into division winners.

Sorry...this game is about talent. Winning can transform culture just as well but in reverse.

I know we need to justify losing out on a premier player at a premier need position but 99% of the players coming in already have good character, work ethics and strong belief in their abilities (winning makeup) but they ALL are leaning on the players next to them.

But the 7-1 record in December is nothing more than that once the final 2018 season whistle blows. Everything starts over after that but talent remains...


What did Mack and Cooper do for the Raiders last season? Their record was the same as ours, Mack is havi g a good season with the Bears but I give Fangio props for that too.

The Colts just shut out the Cowboys, how is that possible if Cooper is so amazingly talented??
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