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Oct 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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agreed.
Oct 31, 2018 at 1:40 PM
- Ensatsu
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If a superstar becomes available, do not be afraid to overpay for elite talent. This is the only thing I am concerned about.
I would love to have Trey Flowers. I haven't watched the other guys enough to have an opinion on them...
I agree, they need about 4 or 5 free agent signings. Keep Jimmie Ward if he keeps playing well at free safety, otherwise cut him. Keep Person, draft another G late if you have to. OL seems okay.
I would love to have Trey Flowers. I haven't watched the other guys enough to have an opinion on them...
I agree, they need about 4 or 5 free agent signings. Keep Jimmie Ward if he keeps playing well at free safety, otherwise cut him. Keep Person, draft another G late if you have to. OL seems okay.
Oct 31, 2018 at 1:43 PM
- captveg
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Minus improvement at G (though Person has played fairly well this year) and WR (need a major upgrade over Garcon), the expected first team offense is pretty great, IMO. They obviously need to improve the depth for if (when) all our starters are put on IR in Week 2 2019, but the starters on paper are pretty solid for 9/11 positions. (One of the backup needs this offseason may be for a LT prospect that can eventually replace Staley, but they may kick that can down the road to the 2020 draft since other needs are so prominent).
Defense is a totally different story. They need new starters at LEO, CB and S. I'd like to see them swing big on CB and S free agents. Assuming they will be in a position to draft Bosa they can be a little more measured at LEO in free agency. However, if they are drafting 2-5 they should aim higher on LEO free agents even if they plan to draft one of the non-Bosa LEO prospects.
A DB starting group of Sherman, Dix, Coleman and Tartt/Colbert (hopefully healthy and improved) with Bosa/mid-range vet free agent LEO would completely flip the defensive performance in 2019. They will still need some depth at LB and should also keep trying different young DBs because those vets won't be around forever, but this particular fantasy roster of starters I just outlined should win. If they actually acquire them (or similar players) and stay healthy enough to actually be on the field.
Defense is a totally different story. They need new starters at LEO, CB and S. I'd like to see them swing big on CB and S free agents. Assuming they will be in a position to draft Bosa they can be a little more measured at LEO in free agency. However, if they are drafting 2-5 they should aim higher on LEO free agents even if they plan to draft one of the non-Bosa LEO prospects.
A DB starting group of Sherman, Dix, Coleman and Tartt/Colbert (hopefully healthy and improved) with Bosa/mid-range vet free agent LEO would completely flip the defensive performance in 2019. They will still need some depth at LB and should also keep trying different young DBs because those vets won't be around forever, but this particular fantasy roster of starters I just outlined should win. If they actually acquire them (or similar players) and stay healthy enough to actually be on the field.
[ Edited by captveg on Oct 31, 2018 at 1:46 PM ]
Oct 31, 2018 at 1:49 PM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by Ensatsu:Why? They overpay for crappy talent so I don't see why they wouldn't overpay for great talent.
If a superstar becomes available, do not be afraid to overpay for elite talent. This is the only thing I am concerned about.
I would love to have Trey Flowers. I haven't watched the other guys enough to have an opinion on them...
I agree, they need about 4 or 5 free agent signings. Keep Jimmie Ward if he keeps playing well at free safety, otherwise cut him. Keep Person, draft another G late if you have to. OL seems okay.
And we don't have one free agent worth retaining except Person. You can let all them guys walk
Garcon? He needs to be released. Resigning Ward makes no sense to me.
I like Flowers not sure how great of apss rusher he really is but solid player. I'd prefer Clowney or Dee Ford. Would like Tyrell Williams too.
Oct 31, 2018 at 1:52 PM
- Ensatsu
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Why? They overpay for crappy talent so I don't see why they wouldn't overpay for great talent.
And we don't have one free agent worth retaining except Person. You can let all them guys walk
Garcon? He needs to be released. Resigning Ward makes no sense to me.
I like Flowers not sure how great of apss rusher he really is but solid player. I'd prefer Clowney or Dee Ford. Would like Tyrell Williams too.
what is the option at FS if Ward released.
Colbert is ranked as the worst FS in the league. Yes, I pretty much gave up on him already. This scheme doesn't work at all if you don't have a single high.
I'm okay with going after Earl Thomas, but I don't think its realistic.
Oct 31, 2018 at 1:55 PM
- OnTheClock
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Originally posted by lamontb:Why? They overpay for crappy talent so I don't see why they wouldn't overpay for great talent.
And we don't have one free agent worth retaining except Person. You can let all them guys walk
Garcon? He needs to be released. Resigning Ward makes no sense to me.
I like Flowers not sure how great of apss rusher he really is but solid player. I'd prefer Clowney or Dee Ford. Would like Tyrell Williams too.
As much as I want Ford there is zero chance KC let's him leave without a monster new deal. They need all the defensive help they can get and they have a super bowl caliber team. Then.. There's us.. Clowney maybe but still dunno how likely that would be.
I am not the biggest fan of Ward but the staff seems infatuated with him for some reason. All signs point to them wanting him back at the right price.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 31, 2018 at 1:57 PM ]
Oct 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM
- Ensatsu
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I would prefer to sign Clowney, Graham, or Lawrence. Odds are though, these guys are getting new deals or tagged. So I am not getting my hopes up, only to be let down.
Oct 31, 2018 at 2:08 PM
- LasVegasWally
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Excellent post OTC!
IMO, it boils down to draft position.
If we get Bosa the strategy changes somewhat.
I think Ford, Clowney and Lawrence will never happen yet we still need another ER. Keeping Solly and Solomon on the inside would be tough on offenses. Add to that we have a good rotation there/
HaHa would be an excellent pick-up.
I'd like us to get Staley's eventual replacement - if it's McG than get his replacement.
I'd still like a big WR to add to the mix.
IMO, Celek hasn't done much to stand out and replacing him would be an upgrade.
IMO, it boils down to draft position.
If we get Bosa the strategy changes somewhat.
I think Ford, Clowney and Lawrence will never happen yet we still need another ER. Keeping Solly and Solomon on the inside would be tough on offenses. Add to that we have a good rotation there/
HaHa would be an excellent pick-up.
I'd like us to get Staley's eventual replacement - if it's McG than get his replacement.
I'd still like a big WR to add to the mix.
IMO, Celek hasn't done much to stand out and replacing him would be an upgrade.
Oct 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM
- captveg
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I am not the biggest fan of Ward but the staff seems infatuated with him for some reason. All signs point to them wanting him back at the right price.
This is a two way street of course - I get the feeling Ward would rather seek prospects elsewhere and not really consider returning to SF if he has better options open up. It may not even be about the money, but about the yo-yo between CB and S.
If we were to bring him back at a much more reasonable salary I'd like to see them commit 100% to keeping him at S.
My guess is wherever he ends up he'll be signed as a S only.
Oct 31, 2018 at 2:20 PM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Why? They overpay for crappy talent so I don't see why they wouldn't overpay for great talent.
And we don't have one free agent worth retaining except Person. You can let all them guys walk
Garcon? He needs to be released. Resigning Ward makes no sense to me.
I like Flowers not sure how great of apss rusher he really is but solid player. I'd prefer Clowney or Dee Ford. Would like Tyrell Williams too.
what is the option at FS if Ward released.
Colbert is ranked as the worst FS in the league. Yes, I pretty much gave up on him already. This scheme doesn't work at all if you don't have a single high.
I'm okay with going after Earl Thomas, but I don't think its realistic.
Draft or FA. Yea I think Earl coming off another major injury and at his age makes him a pass.
Oct 31, 2018 at 2:28 PM
- Hoovtrain
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Nice write up and FA choices. Between FA and the draft there should be some very good options at LEO/SAM
Oct 31, 2018 at 2:53 PM
- captveg
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea I think Earl coming off another major injury and at his age makes him a pass.
I'd take him on a Sherman prove-it deal only.
Oct 31, 2018 at 3:01 PM
- SFrush
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He's had an injury plagued season but I see Martin Mayhew convincing Lynch to go after Ansah.
Oct 31, 2018 at 3:02 PM
- Heroism
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Originally posted by SFrush:
He's had an injury plagued season but I see Martin Mayhew convincing Lynch to go after Ansah.
He'd look great on our IR.
This team needs to go hard after Earl Thomas. Dude was playing at an all-pro level before he got hurt. He shows zero signs of slowing down. Dude is an alpha male on the field. This team is missing those.
[ Edited by Heroism on Oct 31, 2018 at 3:04 PM ]
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