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Jul 15, 2025 at 7:47 AM
Jul 15, 2025 at 8:05 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Linebacker is weaker than Safety? I dunno about that.
Jul 15, 2025 at 8:27 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Linebacker is weaker than Safety? I dunno about that.

I think they're looking at the relative strength of each position throughout the league. I guess they feel there just aren't a lot of weakside LBs in the league.
Jul 15, 2025 at 9:15 AM
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Linebacker is weaker than Safety? I dunno about that.

I think they're looking at the relative strength of each position throughout the league. I guess they feel there just aren't a lot of weakside LBs in the league.

This. Most teams don't expect them to be game changers either. The position in general has lower value than it used to. Across the NFL 65% of defensive snaps are nickel, and some teams are above 15% of their snaps in dime.

This is part of why LBs are so much more often former DBs than they used to be.
Jul 15, 2025 at 8:44 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

First-ballot Fred.
Jul 16, 2025 at 7:36 AM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

First-ballot Fred.

Let's get him a bunch of SB rings to help seal it.
Jul 16, 2025 at 1:27 PM
Fans here thought I was crazy a few years ago when I was saying Warner was the leader of this defense. Bosa may have been the best player but the heartbeat of the defense is Fred Warner and it's good he gets his flowers
Jul 16, 2025 at 1:30 PM
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Fans here thought I was crazy a few years ago when I was saying Warner was the leader of this defense. Bosa may have been the best player but the heartbeat of the defense is Fred Warner and it's good he gets his flowers

I am curious how Greenlaw does without him.
Jul 16, 2025 at 1:53 PM
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Fans here thought I was crazy a few years ago when I was saying Warner was the leader of this defense. Bosa may have been the best player but the heartbeat of the defense is Fred Warner and it's good he gets his flowers

A few years ago Fred was still the best LB in the NFL and his defensive coordinator straight up said he was the fulcrum of the defense. Who argued with you on that point?
Jul 17, 2025 at 5:42 AM
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Fans here thought I was crazy a few years ago when I was saying Warner was the leader of this defense. Bosa may have been the best player but the heartbeat of the defense is Fred Warner and it's good he gets his flowers

I am curious how Greenlaw does without him.

Dre's thing is always staying healthy. If he does that I think he'll play like the Dre we all love. But there's no question them playing together is a whole other thing.
Jul 17, 2025 at 6:05 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Fans here thought I was crazy a few years ago when I was saying Warner was the leader of this defense. Bosa may have been the best player but the heartbeat of the defense is Fred Warner and it's good he gets his flowers

I am curious how Greenlaw does without him.

Dre's thing is always staying healthy. If he does that I think he'll play like the Dre we all love. But there's no question them playing together is a whole other thing.

yes sir, also Warner staying healthy. That position is meant for a beating.
Jul 17, 2025 at 2:38 PM
Originally posted by Scoots:
This. Most teams don't expect them to be game changers either. The position in general has lower value than it used to. Across the NFL 65% of defensive snaps are nickel, and some teams are above 15% of their snaps in dime.

This is part of why LBs are so much more often former DBs than they used to be.

Yeah its devalued a lot, and it should be telling that Fred himself used to be a hybrid LB/S guy back in college days

Basically the NFL nowadays, just like many sports, is all about finding any edge (and I dont mean position) you can, meaning instead of saying "heres what we do and we are going to do it to every team", its much more matchup oriented. If you have a weak link on the team, in terms of speed, tackling, etc it WILL be taken advantage of.

We see it done to corners who can't tackle well (*cough* sauce *cough*) and we also see it with slower nickel corners or linebackers who get matchuped against burner slot guys/RBs and predictably lose in coverage

I thought this may get shifted back to the good old days since the best teams nowadays run the ball a crapton (Philly, Baltimore, Lions, 49ers etc) but it seems that teams still dont want to lose speed and would rather put out a nickel out there who may miss a tackle but not get burned over an old school big LB.

Hell, Kyle Shanahan's staple on offense is exploiting LBs who are slow in coverage, over the middle of the field.
Jul 17, 2025 at 5:53 PM
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Originally posted by Scoots:
This. Most teams don't expect them to be game changers either. The position in general has lower value than it used to. Across the NFL 65% of defensive snaps are nickel, and some teams are above 15% of their snaps in dime.

This is part of why LBs are so much more often former DBs than they used to be.

Yeah its devalued a lot, and it should be telling that Fred himself used to be a hybrid LB/S guy back in college days

Basically the NFL nowadays, just like many sports, is all about finding any edge (and I dont mean position) you can, meaning instead of saying "heres what we do and we are going to do it to every team", its much more matchup oriented. If you have a weak link on the team, in terms of speed, tackling, etc it WILL be taken advantage of.

We see it done to corners who can't tackle well (*cough* sauce *cough*) and we also see it with slower nickel corners or linebackers who get matchuped against burner slot guys/RBs and predictably lose in coverage

I thought this may get shifted back to the good old days since the best teams nowadays run the ball a crapton (Philly, Baltimore, Lions, 49ers etc) but it seems that teams still dont want to lose speed and would rather put out a nickel out there who may miss a tackle but not get burned over an old school big LB.

Hell, Kyle Shanahan's staple on offense is exploiting LBs who are slow in coverage, over the middle of the field.

Sports have cycles where schemes ebb and flow, but they are also always changing. It takes rules changes to force it back.

The NBA game is virtually unidentifiable compared to what it was in the 90s with shooting becoming the top skill, but even now we are seeing size come back into demand, but it's size with shooting because enough time has passed for those skills and talents to be developed in the younger generation.

The 6'1 210 lb players in college were too big to be DBs 20 years ago, and too small to be LBs ... they were more likely either RBs or WRs.

The 6'4" 240lb old school LBs are ends or TEs now. Or if they are not fast enough maybe they become OL.

The sad thing is that because of the NIL there is going to be less and less diversity in college ball and that is going to lead to more stagnation. I used to love new ideas being tested in college games.
Aug 9, 2025 at 9:38 PM
Aug 27, 2025 at 9:55 AM
we glazing Freddy forever.

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