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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Saffold is an interesting option

He's already talking about giving the Rams a hometown discount.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm okay with Richburg because it's an upgrade over Kilgore. I'm always for upgrades. Contracts are not guaranteed so until we get to a point where we're struggling with cap space (very unlikely to happen given JG contract structure), we should continue to upgrade.

Good point, Richburg IS a huge improvement over Kilgore. Not sure what the cap hit is but he also is either injured or unable to keep from getting pushed back about 3 paces by a rush up the gut. If this is an injury thing, ok, let's hope he gets better. If this is a stength/ technique thing, then we have to do better. You just cant' have two guys, C and QB occupying the same space at the same time and Richburg sure did that this yr. Kilgore , however was way, way worse. I hope this is an injury issue. if not, we should be looking for an improvement.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Tomlinson can get some push in short yardage situations where as gimpy Richburg and Person get pushed back. I do think that hurt the 2018 49ers in goal to go situations. If a team can put on tape that they can plow ahead for 3 yards, that opens up easy playaction TDs. We saw that so often during the Harbaugh days when defenders sold out to stop Gore, only to have a wide open VD in the back of the endzone. I think getting a strong RG can open up this part of the playbook for Kyle. Not saying go get a road grader RG, but someone stronger than Person.

Not to derail the thread, but have you ever studied what the Patriots do at the goal line? Bill Belichick was talking about how they've been running the same exact OZ play with FB lead over and over again for the last decade lol. I believe the play is called GL 38/39 Boss.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think you'd both right...more elements of ZBS than anything. And with Nelson and Glowinski, I'd run predominant power/gap as well. Let's see what they do in the playoff games.

Tomlinson is more our power G.

Tomlinson can get some push in short yardage situations where as gimpy Richburg and Person get pushed back. I do think that hurt the 2018 49ers in goal to go situations. If a team can put on tape that they can plow ahead for 3 yards, that opens up easy playaction TDs. We saw that so often during the Harbaugh days when defenders sold out to stop Gore, only to have a wide open VD in the back of the endzone. I think getting a strong RG can open up this part of the playbook for Kyle. Not saying go get a road grader RG, but someone stronger than Person.

Excellent points. I haven't dove into the splits but I wonder if we run more power to the left but more zone to the right with Person + MM? I noticed Garnett packed on his usual weight but he's backing up Tomlinson at LG now. Maybe Kyle wants his LG to be more powerful.

I think both ShanaLynch said one of the reasons they resigned Tomlinson was because he was powerful enough to shut down Aaron Donald.

My guess is they ran more power to the right side. That way Tomlinson is the pulling guard. But in a goal to go situation where I think a strong RG can improve things, there won't be too much pulling, just straight ahead drive blocking.
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
Tomlinson can get some push in short yardage situations where as gimpy Richburg and Person get pushed back. I do think that hurt the 2018 49ers in goal to go situations. If a team can put on tape that they can plow ahead for 3 yards, that opens up easy playaction TDs. We saw that so often during the Harbaugh days when defenders sold out to stop Gore, only to have a wide open VD in the back of the endzone. I think getting a strong RG can open up this part of the playbook for Kyle. Not saying go get a road grader RG, but someone stronger than Person.

Not to derail the thread, but have you ever studied what the Patriots do at the goal line? Bill Belichick was talking about how they've been running the same exact OZ play with FB lead over and over again for the last decade lol. I believe the play is called GL 38/39 Boss.

I'll look that up. Wasn't aware they liked OZ that close to the goaline.

Found it. This is good stuff. Reading it now.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/5/22/17376788/nfl-offense-goal-line-package-patriots-run-the-ball
[ Edited by thl408 on Jan 4, 2019 at 11:31 AM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll look that up. Wasn't aware they liked OZ that close to the goaline.

Found this gem: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/5/22/17376788/nfl-offense-goal-line-package-patriots-run-the-ball

It's crazy when you look it up. It's literally all they do with subtle wrinkles here and there.
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
I'll look that up. Wasn't aware they liked OZ that close to the goaline.

Found this gem: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/5/22/17376788/nfl-offense-goal-line-package-patriots-run-the-ball

It's crazy when you look it up. It's literally all they do with subtle wrinkles here and there.
They bunch it up then try to get the DL moving horizontally. Any sliver of daylight, the RB plows towards it. I feel like this best works if you can threaten an A gap run (get DL bunched in the middle via formation). Can't argue with what NE does. Good stuff.
[ Edited by thl408 on Jan 4, 2019 at 11:37 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Free Agency/Draft Retooling Plan:

Coaching Changes: None, but wanted either Todd Bowles or Ed Donatell hired as the Defensive Coordinator.

Notes:
Jimmy Garoppolo will only count $20M this year.Do not resign DeForest Buckner. He's only counting $5.79M in 2019 and then we can exercise his 5th year option ($10M) and then Franchise Tag him cheap ($14-$16M) since he plays on the interior. No rush.Solomon Thomas adds around 5-10 pounds and gets back to training inside at 3T/1T to pair with DeForest Buckner at 1T/3T. Last year, the FO paid out $87.8M which included extending our own and signing free agents to these core players. This total also included $37M to Jimmy Garoppolo.

2018 Free Agency Spendings:
Jimmy Garoppolo $37,000,000
Weston Richburg $9,260,000
Jimmie Ward $8,526,000
Marquise Goodwin $6,275,000
Richard Sherman $6,175,000
Jerick McKinnon $6,000,000
Cassius Marsh $3,481,250
Laken Tomlinson $2,850,944
Jonathan Cooper $2,475,000
Garry Gilliam $2,450,000
Brock Coyle $2,050,000
Shon Coleman $658,000
Mike Person $630,000

2019 Salary Cap: We're projected to have $71M (including rollover) before the following cuts.

2019 Cap Cuts/Savings:
Pierre Garcon $6M
Garry Gilliam $5.05M
Cassius Marsh $4.2M
Malcolm Smith $4.05M
Earl Mitchell $3.7M
Brock Coyle $2.5M
Garrett Celek $2.1M
Dekoda Watson $1.5M
C.J. BeatHard $786K
Trent Taylor $645K
Matt Dayes $645K
James Onwualu $645K
Godwin Igwebuike $570K
Jullian Taylor $521K
J.P. Flynn $495K
Tarvarus McFadden $13K = +$32M

2019 Total Cap: $103M

Projected Franchised Players/Cost
Position: Current / Projected
Cornerback: $14,975,000 / $16,175,000
Defensive end: $17,143,000 / $17,291,000
Defensive tackle: $13,939,000 / $15,355,000
Linebacker: $14,961,000 / $15,591,000
Offensive line: $14,077,000 / $14,201,000
Punter/kicker: $4,939,000 / $5,018,000
Quarterback: $23,189,000 / $25,103,000
Running back: $11,866,000 / $11,322,000
Safety: $11,287,000 / $11,256,000
Tight end: $9,846,000 / $10,486,000
Wide receiver: $15,982,000 / $16,948,000

Free Agency: OverTheCap was used for free agency $ projections.
FS Earl Thomas 30 SEA 91.3 #3 S $12M APY - No brainer.
RG Mark Glowinski 27 IND 71.8 #14 G $10M APY - The RG behind one of the very best OL's in the game protecting Andrew Luck with excellent depth in Mike Person.
SAM/ER Preston Smith 26 WAS 79.4 #16 ED $9M APY - A real 6'5" 265 4.71 SAM who can cover some (Fred Warner 4.64), play through the strong side and provide actual edge rush who rarely has to come off the field.
WILL Jordan Hicks 26 PHI 72.6 #19 LB $7M APY - Veteran MIKE who moves to space at WILL to pair with Fred Warner and Preston Smith. Will learn both spots. 4.68 speed with coverage range.
BE Arik Armstead 25 SF 79.9 #16 ED $6M APY - AA is resigned to a 4-year $24M deal; down from $9M for 2019 alone.
LCB Rashaan Melvin 29 OAK 56.9 #92 CB $4M APY - Veteran CB depth who fits our prototype to compete with Witherspoon and Moore.
RG Mike Person 30 SF 75.5 #6 G $4M APY - Reward our own and Mike Person will help Mark Glowinski get up to speed and provide excellent depth.
XWR John Brown 28 BLT 68 #55 $4M APY - Kyle finds some speed depth behind Goodwin who can also play the slot.
Special Teams - PK Robbie Gould ($3.5M APY); P Bradley Pinion ($2.5M APY); RB Raheem Mostert($1.2M APY); WILL Elijah Lee ($1M APY) & SAM Mark Nzeocha ($800K APY) - Reward our own.

2018 Cap Spend - $88M
2019 Cap Spend - $65M
2019 Rookie Pool (5 picks) - $7.5M
2019 Remaining Cap - $30.5M
2019 Cap Rank - 4th

2019 Draft:
1/2 ER Brian Burns
2/36 LT Greg Little (developmental)
3/00 ZWR Bryan Edwards
4/00 WILL
6/00 MIKE

Offensive Personnel: --- 25
QB: Jimmy Garoppolo; Nick Mullens
RB: Jerick McKinnon; Matt Breida, Jeff Wilson & Raheem Mostert
FB: Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle; Ross Dwelley
XWR: Dante Pettis; Marquise Goodwin
SWR: Richie James; [John Brown]
ZWR: [Bryan Edwards]; Kendrick Bourne
LT: Joe Staley; [Greg Little]
LG: Laken Tomlinson; Joshua Garnett
C: Weston Richburg; Erik Magnuson
RG: [Mark Glowinski]; Mike Person
RT: Mike McGlinchey; Shon Coleman

Defensive Personnel: --- 25
BE: Arik Armstead; Kentavius Street
1T/3T: DeForest Buckner; D.J. Jones
3T/1T: Solomon Thomas; Sheldon Day
LEO/ER: [Brian Burns]; Ronald Blair
SAM/ER: [Preston Smith]; Mark Nzeocha
MIKE: Fred Warner; [5th Draft Pick]
WILL: [Jordan Hicks]; Elijah Lee & [4th Draft Pick]
RCB: Tarvarius Moore; Ahkello Witherspoon
SCB: D.J. Reed; K'Wuan Williams
LCB: Richard Sherman; [Rashaan Melvin]
FS: [Earl Thomas]; Adrian Colbert
SS: Marcell Harris; Jaquiski Tartt

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion
KOR: D.J. Reed & Richie James
PR: Dante Pettis; D.J. Reed
GR: Raheem Mostert & Tarvarious Moore


Good list with only one suggestion. You WANTED Todd Bowles or Donatell as DC. How about HIRING Todd Bowles right now as asst HC? And then have him "oversee" the D? Saleh stays, we just add another F.O person in asst HC Bowles who oversees D. Kyle oversees the O. And saleh coaches the D.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Jan 4, 2019 at 12:06 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Oh lord that tweet is so whiny, i heard my chemical romance playing in my head while I read it.

The team have added a multitude of wide receivers over the last two years including using a second. What so people are really going to be mad they didn't wildly over pay for Watkins or robinson who both didn't even come close to 1k yards?

Oh who was the plethora of edge talent last year we missed out on? Geez really missed out on Harold Landry.

I respect the point on FS. Even though Colbert looked like the future last offseason, they should have brought in more insurance than DJ reed.

The only one whining is you.

And he's still accurate though. He's also talking about years...not just this year. Clearly, we've been unable or unwilling to secure a blue chip ER, FS and WR...not really a secret to us 49er fans.

As to last year, Robinson was their #1 WR playing in an offense who was 25th in passing attempts and in year one of coming back from an ACL. You're out of your mind if you don't think he would have stabilized our ZWR position and had over 1K in our system. But if you're cool with Garcon, Goodwin and Bourne, great...how much did those 3 cost us in cap space this year for their epic contributions? Yeah, I'd take Robinson, thank you.

Having Robinson meant we could have used that trade-up for Landry instead. Much bigger need than Pettis who is now, simply replacing Goodwin at XWR, like McGlinchey replacing Brown. How much was really gained...same needs still exist today. And the FO was once again the bridesmaid on Mack as well...like Garrett and soon to be, Bosa. We good with Marsh though. Obviously, nobody could have challenged that dude!

Single high FS? Kind of a big deal in this defense. I actually don't fault them for this one although keeping Brown meant they could have picked up Derwin James instead.

So yeah, he's still accurate. The FO didn't have a plethora of options this last year (as an example) but they made their choices and they could still work out just fine. We'll see over time.

We are talking about two years in a rebuild. They have had to fill a ton of positions and haven't addressed everything in a massive rebuild.

Lol hilarious that you believe Mack was ever going to get traded in the same media market. Because that happens all the time in the NFL right? But history doesnt matter.

Facts: Robinson has only had one season over 1k receiving yards but has been paid like a top 10 receiver. Yeah, lets overpay for a slightly above average receiver. Even if we signed him we would need another receiver no matter what. I'd rather us trade for a receiver who is actually really good such a Brown or Odell Beckham(although not holding my breath).

Harold Landry has less sacks than marsh. Trust me I wanted him, but he wouldn't have solved our problems. We would still need another edge. Oh its the FO's fault we missed out on Garrett. LOL.

2 things. Derwin would be best as an in the box safety in this scheme. Which is great, but wouldn't solve our single high safety need. In the long term McGlinchey is the better choice than brown. You feel comfortable that brown is going to stay motivated once he gets paid, or was he a one year stop gap? Than we have to replace him and staley soon. Also Brown is awful in the run game and above average as a pass protector.

Edit: In terms of receiver: If we can't trade for an actual elite one I think a bargain-bin type of receiver and then drafting in the mid rounds would be the best route for that. We do need to get better there, but unless someone is a high level upgrade we should really allow Shanny and his staff develop them. Focus money on defense and oline. Also this off season we should grab someone who can rush off the edge in both the draft and in free agency. I think this is actually a fairly healthy offseason for many of our needs, except for FS. Outside of Earl, who else is there that can step in and play the single high at a high level? Also a decent amount of options at will potentially.
[ Edited by philosoraptor on Jan 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM ]
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
We are talking about two years in a rebuild. They have had to fill a ton of positions and haven't addressed everything in a massive rebuild.

Lol hilarious that you believe Mack was ever going to get traded in the same media market. Because that happens all the time in the NFL right? But history doesnt matter.

Facts: Robinson has only had one season over 1k receiving yards but has been paid like a top 10 receiver. Yeah, lets overpay for a slightly above average receiver. Even if we signed him we would need another receiver no matter what. I'd rather us trade for a receiver who is actually really good such a Brown or Odell Beckham(although not holding my breath).

Harold Landry has less sacks than marsh. Trust me I wanted him, but he wouldn't have solved our problems. We would still need another edge. Oh its the FO's fault we missed out on Garrett. LOL.

2 things. Derwin would be best as an in the box safety in this scheme. Which is great, but wouldn't solve our single high safety need. In the long term McGlinchey is the better choice than brown. You feel comfortable that brown is going to stay motivated once he gets paid, or was he a one year stop gap? Than we have to replace him and staley soon. Also Brown is awful in the run game and above average as a pass protector.

Again, the guy tweeted about years of void. Not just this regime but...forever, since we've had a dominant WR (T.O.), ER (Aldon) and FS (Hanks ).

You seem to be perfectly fine with whatever this new FO does or doesn't do.

Do you have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions/targets of your own in this, 'Team Needs' thread for 2019?
The question is, what don't we need?

Resign Gould and we won't need a kicker.
Need players that don't get intjurt

If they had gotten Mack, with our luck, he would've gotten injured 3 games in
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Jan 4, 2019 at 12:50 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Good list with only one suggestion. You WANTED Todd Bowles or Donatell as DC. How about HIRING Todd Bowles right now as asst HC? And then have him "oversee" the D? Saleh stays, we just add another F.O person in asst HC Bowles who oversees D. Kyle oversees the O. And saleh coaches the D.

Yes, like I wanted Vic Fangio last off season. Oh well...pipe dream. Fangio is interviewing for HCing jobs now.

You're not going to get a dude like Todd Bowles to come in here as a consultant. A Norton you could. Bowles would need to be hired directly as a DC + Assistant HC.

But we can dream...but Kyle already slammed to door on entertaining an upgrade.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
The question is, what don't we need?

Resign Gould and we won't need a kicker.

Right? And in an interview, it sounds like he misses his family. He may very well bolt to be closer to home even though he does love it here.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
We are talking about two years in a rebuild. They have had to fill a ton of positions and haven't addressed everything in a massive rebuild.

Lol hilarious that you believe Mack was ever going to get traded in the same media market. Because that happens all the time in the NFL right? But history doesnt matter.

Facts: Robinson has only had one season over 1k receiving yards but has been paid like a top 10 receiver. Yeah, lets overpay for a slightly above average receiver. Even if we signed him we would need another receiver no matter what. I'd rather us trade for a receiver who is actually really good such a Brown or Odell Beckham(although not holding my breath).

Harold Landry has less sacks than marsh. Trust me I wanted him, but he wouldn't have solved our problems. We would still need another edge. Oh its the FO's fault we missed out on Garrett. LOL.

2 things. Derwin would be best as an in the box safety in this scheme. Which is great, but wouldn't solve our single high safety need. In the long term McGlinchey is the better choice than brown. You feel comfortable that brown is going to stay motivated once he gets paid, or was he a one year stop gap? Than we have to replace him and staley soon. Also Brown is awful in the run game and above average as a pass protector.

Again, the guy tweeted about years of void. Not just this regime but...forever, since we've had a dominant WR (T.O.), ER (Aldon) and FS (Hanks ).

You seem to be perfectly fine with whatever this new FO does or doesn't do.

Do you have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions/targets of your own in this, 'Team Needs' thread for 2019?

Its not perfectly fine. I just disagree with your criticism. The reason we suck outside of the obvious injuries is because we picked guys like joe Williams, a redundant under-performing pick in Solomon Thomas, and a knucklehead in reuben foster in the draft. Also because trent baalke picked almost no starters from 2012 to 2016. Those would be the guys on second contracts, who would more than likely be in that very important 10-15 million dollar range you so covet.

The team needs to draft and develop, not overpay for mediocrity. i always get caught up in big names in free agency, its fun, but honestly the middle of the pack players who over-perform ala carlos rogers are the best pick ups . I do believe in supplementing with free agency, but when we are going back to criticize there strategy we need to ask who they truly missed out on? Just saying "They didn't address this." Does nothing if we aren't talking about specifics. SO we didn't address edge. I agree, but why didn't they do that? Was it because they are stupid or, crazy idea, the group available was god awful.
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
We are talking about two years in a rebuild. They have had to fill a ton of positions and haven't addressed everything in a massive rebuild.

Lol hilarious that you believe Mack was ever going to get traded in the same media market. Because that happens all the time in the NFL right? But history doesnt matter.

Facts: Robinson has only had one season over 1k receiving yards but has been paid like a top 10 receiver. Yeah, lets overpay for a slightly above average receiver. Even if we signed him we would need another receiver no matter what. I'd rather us trade for a receiver who is actually really good such a Brown or Odell Beckham(although not holding my breath).

Harold Landry has less sacks than marsh. Trust me I wanted him, but he wouldn't have solved our problems. We would still need another edge. Oh its the FO's fault we missed out on Garrett. LOL.

2 things. Derwin would be best as an in the box safety in this scheme. Which is great, but wouldn't solve our single high safety need. In the long term McGlinchey is the better choice than brown. You feel comfortable that brown is going to stay motivated once he gets paid, or was he a one year stop gap? Than we have to replace him and staley soon. Also Brown is awful in the run game and above average as a pass protector.

Again, the guy tweeted about years of void. Not just this regime but...forever, since we've had a dominant WR (T.O.), ER (Aldon) and FS (Hanks ).

You seem to be perfectly fine with whatever this new FO does or doesn't do.

Do you have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions/targets of your own in this, 'Team Needs' thread for 2019?

Its not perfectly fine. I just disagree with your criticism. The reason we suck outside of the obvious injuries is because we picked guys like joe Williams, a redundant under-performing pick in Solomon Thomas, and a knucklehead in reuben foster in the draft. Also because trent baalke picked almost no starters from 2012 to 2016. Those would be the guys on second contracts, who would more than likely be in that very important 10-15 million dollar range you so covet.

The team needs to draft and develop, not overpay for mediocrity. i always get caught up in big names in free agency, its fun, but honestly the middle of the pack players who over-perform ala carlos rogers are the best pick ups . I do believe in supplementing with free agency, but when we are going back to criticize there strategy we need to ask who they truly missed out on? Just saying "They didn't address this." Does nothing if we aren't talking about specifics. SO we didn't address edge. I agree, but why didn't they do that? Was it because they are stupid or, crazy idea, the group available was god awful.

Well you're in the right thread then because we discuss everything about player acquisition philosophies, old regime players and tactics, major holes, possible solutions, draft, FA, etc.

I've never seen your contribution here but merely, a full FO defend on every move or non move made over the last 2 years.

So I was just asking your ideas for getting better in 2019.
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