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Dec 11, 2018 at 9:08 AM

Howlett49
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Howlett49:
Where are the Niners in total payroll compared to other teams in the league? I'd be interested to see that list

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

So it looks like the Niners are top 5 in cap spending. That's crazy to me I thought they'd be towards the bottom. I'm not sure where all the money is going other than Garropolo and Juice with big contracts. I guess Garçon, McKinnon and Richburg all got pretty large contracts as well. Kind of funny how with the way the zone talks about how cheap the Yorks are one would think the Niners would be fielding a team for cheap and not spending top 5 on total salary for the year

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Dec 11, 2018 at 9:19 AM

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Originally posted by Howlett49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Howlett49:
Where are the Niners in total payroll compared to other teams in the league? I'd be interested to see that list

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

So it looks like the Niners are top 5 in cap spending. That's crazy to me I thought they'd be towards the bottom. I'm not sure where all the money is going other than Garropolo and Juice with big contracts. I guess Garçon, McKinnon and Richburg all got pretty large contracts as well. Kind of funny how with the way the zone talks about how cheap the Yorks are one would think the Niners would be fielding a team for cheap and not spending top 5 on total salary for the year

Yup, and $37M did go to JG and we're still top 5. We spent over $87M last year.

You touched on a critical point. Check out the podcast or my cliff notes in Post #23675 for more info: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187898-john-lynch-49ers-gm/page1580/

It nails your last point.

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 11, 2018 at 9:20 AM ]

Dec 11, 2018 at 10:06 AM

#888

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup, and $37M did go to JG and we're still top 5. We spent over $87M last year.

You touched on a critical point. Check out the podcast or my cliff notes in Post #23675 for more info: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187898-john-lynch-49ers-gm/page1580/

It nails your last point.

Cap spending vs effective cap spending.
It's better to have one, high-priced, dependable, solid playmaker than 3 so-so/good players who are paid at the highest end of their market value but all contracts may add up to the contract of 1.

Yeah, at lowered-value positions like FB, RB, LB, etc. Another trick is to justify not spending for high end players by claiming you'll have to pay your own big bucks soon...Trenton Brown was used, DeForest Buckner.

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 11, 2018 at 10:08 AM ]

Dec 11, 2018 at 10:19 AM

#889

Paul_Hofer
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Originally posted by NCommand:
This will make you smile even more.

Salary Cap: We're projected to have $65.4M before cuts.

2019 Cap Cuts - Cap Savings:
Arik Armstead $9.05M
Pierre Garcon $6M
Garry Gilliam $5.05M
Cassius Marsh $4.2M
Malcolm Smith $4.05M
Earl Mitchell $3.7M
Brock Coyle $2.5M
Garrett Celek $2.1M
K'Wuan Williams $1.85M
Dekoda Watson $1.5M
C.J. BeatHard $786K
Ronald Blair $720K
Matt Dayes $645K
Trent Taylor $645K
James Onwualu $645K
Godwin Igwebuike $570K
J.P. Flynn $495K
Tarvarus McFadden $13K = +$44.64

2019 Total Cap: $110M

How about Ward?

Dec 11, 2018 at 10:59 AM

#890

NCommand
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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
How about Ward?

He was only on the books this year. He's gone unless they resign him outright.

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM ]

Dec 11, 2018 at 11:03 AM

#891

cciowa
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
How about Ward?

He was only on the books this year. He's fine unless they resign him outright.

then my head will blow up outright

Dec 11, 2018 at 11:11 AM

#892

CatchMaster80
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Edge, corner, LB, big wide receiver, offensive tackle. I don't care what order they address these postions as long as they get them filled. With only 5 picks we will need free agency to really help this year. Maybe we find a couple more UDFA's like Breida.

Dec 11, 2018 at 11:27 AM

#893

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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
big wide receiver

That's something the fans see as a need, not Kyle. I've yet to hear Kyle say he needs a big receiver, and judging by who he's brought in through free agency and the draft over the last two years, I wouldn't hold my breath for one.

The reality is that the traits Kyle wants in his WRs are rarely found in big receivers.

[ Edited by Heroism on Dec 11, 2018 at 11:32 AM ]

Dec 11, 2018 at 11:39 AM

#894

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Originally posted by Heroism:
That's something the fans see as a need, not Kyle. I've yet to hear Kyle say he needs a big receiver, and judging by who he's brought in through free agency and the draft over the last two years, I wouldn't hold my breath for one.

The reality is that the traits Kyle wants in his WRs are rarely found in big receivers.

That might explain why they struggle to score TD's in the red zone. Other than Kittle they don't have a big receiver to throw to in the tight spaces of the end zone. Hard to throw the ball up high or do the deep corner fade with all those little guys. Maybe Kyle prefers field goals.

Dec 11, 2018 at 12:11 PM

#895

ForeverYoung8
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all in on signing Earl Thomas! do it

Dec 11, 2018 at 1:27 PM

#896

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OTC has the 49ers getting a 6th rd comp pick.If true, that would give them six picks in the draft.

Dec 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM

#897

NCommand
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
big wide receiver

That's something the fans see as a need, not Kyle. I've yet to hear Kyle say he needs a big receiver, and judging by who he's brought in through free agency and the draft over the last two years, I wouldn't hold my breath for one.

The reality is that the traits Kyle wants in his WRs are rarely found in big receivers.

This is probably 100% accurate. But I wonder if this snap shot of snaps might indicate otherwise. He uses Bourne (our bigger WR) a ton in run blocking, the screen game and in the RZ.

Dante Pettis X - 61
Kendrick Bourne Z - 43
Marquise Goodwin Z - 24

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM ]

Dec 11, 2018 at 5:01 PM

#898

LVJay
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Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
How about Ward?

He was only on the books this year. He's fine unless they resign him outright.

then my head will blow up outright

He might be Lynch's long lost biological son, hence many chances

Dec 12, 2018 at 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This will make you smile even more.

Salary Cap: We're projected to have $65.4M before cuts.

2019 Cap Cuts - Cap Savings:
Arik Armstead $9.05M
Pierre Garcon $6M
Garry Gilliam $5.05M
Cassius Marsh $4.2M
Malcolm Smith $4.05M
Earl Mitchell $3.7M
Brock Coyle $2.5M
Garrett Celek $2.1M
K'Wuan Williams $1.85M
Dekoda Watson $1.5M
C.J. BeatHard $786K
Ronald Blair $720K
Matt Dayes $645K
Trent Taylor $645K
James Onwualu $645K
Godwin Igwebuike $570K
J.P. Flynn $495K
Tarvarus McFadden $13K = +$44.64

2019 Total Cap: $110M

How about Ward?

Why would we cut Blair? He's played well. Also Garcon's 2019 year is an option year, if they decline they only save like $1.2M, Smith's number would be post June 1, meaning we don't get the cap room till June 2nd. Remember those smaller cuts don't count much as the top 51 count, and someone will take their spot making the same amount.

Dec 12, 2018 at 9:23 AM

#900

Willisfn4life
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This will make you smile even more.

Salary Cap: We're projected to have $65.4M before cuts.

2019 Cap Cuts - Cap Savings:
Arik Armstead $9.05M
Pierre Garcon $6M
Garry Gilliam $5.05M
Cassius Marsh $4.2M
Malcolm Smith $4.05M
Earl Mitchell $3.7M
Brock Coyle $2.5M
Garrett Celek $2.1M
K'Wuan Williams $1.85M
Dekoda Watson $1.5M
C.J. BeatHard $786K
Ronald Blair $720K
Matt Dayes $645K
Trent Taylor $645K
James Onwualu $645K
Godwin Igwebuike $570K
J.P. Flynn $495K
Tarvarus McFadden $13K = +$44.64

2019 Total Cap: $110M

How about Ward?

Why would we cut Blair? He's played well. Also Garcon's 2019 year is an option year, if they decline they only save like $1.2M, Smith's number would be post June 1, meaning we don't get the cap room till June 2nd. Remember those smaller cuts don't count much as the top 51 count, and someone will take their spot making the same amount.

That's how I'm reading it. If I'm reading this right. From a financial standpoint, letting go of Garcon saves 1.2 mil this off-season. It saves 6.5 if letting him go the following.