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2018 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Need more?

Pre or post June 1st, we can cut Zane Beadles ($3.5M), Earl Mitchell ($3.1M), Garrett Celek ($2.05M), Aldrick Robinson ($2.05M), Eli Harold ($1.907M), Laken Tomlinson ($1.6M), etc.

Got Cap Space?

Will DJ Jones develop quickly enough to make Mitchell expendable? If so...why bother when we have so much cap space? The nice thing is they don't really have to worry and can let the best players rise to the top strictly based on ability...no shuffling older vets out to pasture to save money. Of the guys you mention above I'd say Mitchell is the only guy who is safe. A lot of completion this year and we haven't even had the draft! No DBs?

It's D.J. Jones and Sheldon Day. Day can play both 1T/3T and we have extra interior depth at 3T with Armstead and Thomas. We certainly don't need to cut Mitchell though but Jones may make him expendable.

Yeah, I have a whole list of guys we can cut for more cap space with better players already on the team and we haven't even hit the draft, where we'll bring in another 20+ players.

Examples:
Pre or post June 1st, we can cut Zane Beadles ($3.5M), Earl Mitchell ($3.1M), Garrett Celek ($2.05M), Aldrick Robinson ($2.05M), Eli Harold ($1.907M), Laken Tomlinson ($1.6M), etc.

...you can probably figure out who can replace these guys who are already on the roster.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 18, 2018 at 8:54 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:

1st round | 9th overall - CB,G,ER,T,LB
2nd round | 59th overall (from NO) - CB,G,ER,T
3rd round | 70th overall (from CHI) - G,WR,RB
3rd round | 74th overall - G,WR,RB
4th round | 128th overall (from PIT) - WR,RB,LB
5th round | 143rd overall (from NYJ) - WR,RB,LB,FS
6th round | 184th overall - WR,RB,LB,FS
7th round | 223th overall (from MIA) - WR,RB,FS
7th round | 240th overall (from KC) - WR,RB,FS

Assessment: It looks like a trade back might be the best way to go to help close that big gap between 9 and 59. It's highly unlikely we get premier players at our biggest needs: CB,G,ER,T,LB. But the 3-year rebuild does seem to be right on schedule, if not a year ahead thanks to Jimmy Garropolo.

Great! This is how I like to view the draft...which positions are most likely in which rounds? Not necessarily one person in a mock. Then the best player available can be used in those positions. I would add WR to each round.

For instance who might be available:
1-9: LB R Smith; OG Nelson; CB Jackson; OT Wynn; Edge Davenport; WR Sutton/Washington/Ridley
2-59: OLB Jefferson; C/G Bozeman; CB Hughes/Kelly/Stewart/WR Moore

OK...too soon! Makes me anxious for the draft to get here. Watched pot?
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 18, 2018 at 9:03 AM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Great! This is how I like to view the draft...which positions are most likely in which rounds? Not necessarily one person in a mock.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Great! This is how I like to view the draft...which positions are most likely in which rounds? Not necessarily one person in a mock. Then the best player available can be used in those positions. I would add WR to each round.

For instance who might be available:
1-9: LB R Smith; OG Nelson; CB Jackson; OT Wynn; Edge Davenport; WR Sutton/Washington/Ridley
2-59: OLB Jefferson; C/G Bozeman; CB Hughes/Kelly/Stewart/WR Moore

OK...too soon! Makes me anxious for the draft to get here. Watched pot?

Haha, yeah, it does help prioritize and then you can target players who may be available there based on your big board. It gives you perspective on moving up and back too. We're certainly a team that seriously should consider a trade back here and acquire 2-3 more picks. It's not about BPA...it's BPA at your biggest position of need. And sometimes that matches up perfectly, like with DeForest Buckner.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM ]
Using the only Big Board that matters, MadDog's, here are the players +/- 5 around where we pick.

Pick #9:
4 Sam Darnold USC QB
5 Josh Rosen UCLA QB
6 Baker Mayfield Oklahoma QB
7 Minkah Fitzpatrick Alabama CB
8 Quenton Nelson Notre Dame G
9 Roquan Smith Georgia LB
10 Tremaine Edmunds Virginia Tech LB
11 Vita Vea Washington DT
12 Marcus Davenport Texas San Antonio DE
13 Da'Ron Payne Alabama DT
14 Denzel Ward Ohio St. CB

Pick #59:
54 Hayden Hurst South Carolina TE
55 Harrison Phillips Stanford DT
56 Frank Ragnow Arkansas C
57 Kerryon Johnson Auburn RB
58 Da'Shawn Hand Alabama DT
59 Uchenna Nwosu USC LB
60 Anthony Averett Alabama CB
61 Duke Ejiofor Wake Forest DE
62 Mike Gesicki Penn St TE
63 Anthony Miller Memphis WR
64 Tony Brown Alabama CB

Pick #70:
65 Brian O'Neill Pittsburgh OT
66 Mark Andrews Oklahoma TE
67 Malik Jefferson Texas LB
68 Austin Corbett Nevada OG
69 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St DT
70 Tim Settle Virginia Tech DT
71 Ronnie Harrison Alabama S
72 Donte Jackson LSU CB
73 Raashan Gaulden Tennessee CB
74 Rasheem Green USC DE
75 Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan OT

Pick #74:
69 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St DT
70 Tim Settle Virginia Tech DT
71 Ronnie Harrison Alabama S
72 Donte Jackson LSU CB
73 Raashan Gaulden Tennessee CB
74 Rasheem Green USC DE
75 Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan OT
76 Kevin Tolliver LSU CB
77 Dallas Goedert South Dakota St TE
78 Marcus Allen Penn St S
79 Rashaad Penny San Diego St RB

Pick #128:
123 Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech WR
124 Dorian O'Daniel Clemson LB
125 Kendrick Norton Miami DT
126 Deadrin Senat South Florida DT
127 Quin Blanding Virginia S
128 Folorunso Fatukasi Connecticut DT
129 Kemoko Turay Rutgers DE/OLB
130 Will Clapp LSU C
131 Kalen Ballage Arizona St RB
132 Marcell Ateman Oklahoma St WR
133 Mason Cole Michigan C/G

Pick #143:
138 Tavarus McFadden Florida St CB
139 Andrew Brown Virginia DT
140 MJ Stewart North Carolina CB
141 Isaac Yiadom Boston College CB
142 Marquis Haynes Mississippi LB
143 Jordan Whitehead Pittsburgh S
144 Dorance Armstrong, Jr. Kansas LB
145 Mike White Western Kentucky QB
146 Simmie Cobbs, Jr. Indiana WR
147 Danny Johnson Southern CB
148 Deon Cain Clemson WR
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:30 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Using the only Big Board that matters, MadDog's, here are the players +/- 5 around where we pick.

Pick #9:
4 Sam Darnold USC QB
5 Josh Rosen UCLA QB
6 Baker Mayfield Oklahoma QB
7 Minkah Fitzpatrick Alabama CB
8 Quenton Nelson Notre Dame G
9 Roquan Smith Georgia LB
10 Tremaine Edmunds Virginia Tech LB
11 Vita Vea Washington DT
12 Marcus Davenport Texas San Antonio DE
13 Da'Ron Payne Alabama DT
14 Denzel Ward Ohio St. CB

Pick #59:
54 Hayden Hurst South Carolina TE
55 Harrison Phillips Stanford DT
56 Frank Ragnow Arkansas C
57 Kerryon Johnson Auburn RB
58 Da'Shawn Hand Alabama DT
59 Uchenna Nwosu USC LB
60 Anthony Averett Alabama CB
61 Duke Ejiofor Wake Forest DE
62 Mike Gesicki Penn St TE
63 Anthony Miller Memphis WR
64 Tony Brown Alabama CB

Pick #70:
65 Brian O'Neill Pittsburgh OT
66 Mark Andrews Oklahoma TE
67 Malik Jefferson Texas LB
68 Austin Corbett Nevada OG
69 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St DT
70 Tim Settle Virginia Tech DT
71 Ronnie Harrison Alabama S
72 Donte Jackson LSU CB
73 Raashan Gaulden Tennessee CB
74 Rasheem Green USC DE
75 Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan OT

Pick #74:
69 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St DT
70 Tim Settle Virginia Tech DT
71 Ronnie Harrison Alabama S
72 Donte Jackson LSU CB
73 Raashan Gaulden Tennessee CB
74 Rasheem Green USC DE
75 Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan OT
76 Kevin Tolliver LSU CB
77 Dallas Goedert South Dakota St TE
78 Marcus Allen Penn St S
79 Rashaad Penny San Diego St RB

Pick #128:
123 Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech WR
124 Dorian O'Daniel Clemson LB
125 Kendrick Norton Miami DT
126 Deadrin Senat South Florida DT
127 Quin Blanding Virginia S
128 Folorunso Fatukasi Connecticut DT
129 Kemoko Turay Rutgers DE/OLB
130 Will Clapp LSU C
131 Kalen Ballage Arizona St RB
132 Marcell Ateman Oklahoma St WR
133 Mason Cole Michigan C/G

Pick #143:
138 Tavarus McFadden Florida St CB
139 Andrew Brown Virginia DT
140 MJ Stewart North Carolina CB
141 Isaac Yiadom Boston College CB
142 Marquis Haynes Mississippi LB
143 Jordan Whitehead Pittsburgh S
144 Dorance Armstrong, Jr. Kansas LB
145 Mike White Western Kentucky QB
146 Simmie Cobbs, Jr. Indiana WR
147 Danny Johnson Southern CB
148 Deon Cain Clemson WR

Need some interior OL in there
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Need some interior OL in there

Big time...trying to review this to see what direction we might go here on these picks.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Need some interior OL in there

Big time...trying to review this to see what direction we might go here on these picks.

Wow, when you say 2nd round pick and then look at the board, all those many great OGs/Cs and that inccludes those that play both, the bulk of the best are found from 21 (Wynn) to #35 (Braden), with 30( Hernanadez) and #31( Connor Williams) in between and that is where we aren't. I don't think Kyle intends to go thru this season and not fill in those two OG slots. I just don't believe he'd do that. So, we need to massage this a bit, and maybe have a two pronged approach. Design it so that if Nelson falls to 9, we go ahead and take him. Otherwise if not there, we may have to sacrifice a shot at Roquan(who we desperately need) and trade down into 30 (Hernandez) and 35 Braden. We would have to add in one of our 4ths (124) to make it work but we would still be short 33 points... but Roquan/ is hot stuff so maybe he'd garner a #30 and #35 alone . But hey we couldn't have done better with that 2nd than JG. No effing way. That was a stunner and moved up our contending for SB by a whole yr. Some teams NEVER get a SB contending QB...but we got ours and that 2nd was really well spent. Since no one team owns # 30 and #35 that means a complicated double trade down, assuming both OGs stay at where they are projected. And that makes it even harder.

Now tho, we have to face facts and even tho I would like Roquan or Landry, et al, maybe it is in the plan to see if Nelson makes it down that far, and if not, then plan to trade the pick of Roquan/Landry/ Minka/ ?/ down to Late first (30 Hernandez) and extra 2nd #35(Braden Smith) plus a 4th (124). With a top 10 we should get that even tho we are 33 points short.(ok we could throw in a 6th to make it work) But that may be the only way we are going to crack that 21-35. range where 4 of those top flite OGs are sitting. If lNelson is there, we have to take him but if not, Plan B. That means passing on a LB/ DE that we need desperately. But this is the penalty of not taking Norwell and his $13.5 mil per sal in FA. It means sacrifice here where there is a huge need on our part for that D player. Ouch.

A lot depends on who exactly Kyle wants. If he wants Wynn, ok then we have to recalibrate. But the idea is to target those 4 guys, 21-35.
At least that is one opinion on how to land two really nice OGs. Then instead of half fixing the OL it and the O are finished. Use #59, 70, 74 for DE, LB, CB., plus the rest of our draft all D.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Mar 18, 2018 at 1:02 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Using the only Big Board that matters, MadDog's, here are the players +/- 5 around where we pick.

Pick #9:
4 Sam Darnold USC QB
5 Josh Rosen UCLA QB
6 Baker Mayfield Oklahoma QB
7 Minkah Fitzpatrick Alabama CB
8 Quenton Nelson Notre Dame G
9 Roquan Smith Georgia LB
10 Tremaine Edmunds Virginia Tech LB
11 Vita Vea Washington DT
12 Marcus Davenport Texas San Antonio DE
13 Da'Ron Payne Alabama DT
14 Denzel Ward Ohio St. CB

Pick #59:
54 Hayden Hurst South Carolina TE
55 Harrison Phillips Stanford DT
56 Frank Ragnow Arkansas C
57 Kerryon Johnson Auburn RB
58 Da'Shawn Hand Alabama DT
59 Uchenna Nwosu USC LB
60 Anthony Averett Alabama CB
61 Duke Ejiofor Wake Forest DE
62 Mike Gesicki Penn St TE
63 Anthony Miller Memphis WR
64 Tony Brown Alabama CB

Pick #70:
65 Brian O'Neill Pittsburgh OT
66 Mark Andrews Oklahoma TE
67 Malik Jefferson Texas LB
68 Austin Corbett Nevada OG
69 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St DT
70 Tim Settle Virginia Tech DT
71 Ronnie Harrison Alabama S
72 Donte Jackson LSU CB
73 Raashan Gaulden Tennessee CB
74 Rasheem Green USC DE
75 Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan OT

Pick #74:
69 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St DT
70 Tim Settle Virginia Tech DT
71 Ronnie Harrison Alabama S
72 Donte Jackson LSU CB
73 Raashan Gaulden Tennessee CB
74 Rasheem Green USC DE
75 Chukwuma Okorafor Western Michigan OT
76 Kevin Tolliver LSU CB
77 Dallas Goedert South Dakota St TE
78 Marcus Allen Penn St S
79 Rashaad Penny San Diego St RB

Pick #128:
123 Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech WR
124 Dorian O'Daniel Clemson LB
125 Kendrick Norton Miami DT
126 Deadrin Senat South Florida DT
127 Quin Blanding Virginia S
128 Folorunso Fatukasi Connecticut DT
129 Kemoko Turay Rutgers DE/OLB
130 Will Clapp LSU C
131 Kalen Ballage Arizona St RB
132 Marcell Ateman Oklahoma St WR
133 Mason Cole Michigan C/G

Pick #143:
138 Tavarus McFadden Florida St CB
139 Andrew Brown Virginia DT
140 MJ Stewart North Carolina CB
141 Isaac Yiadom Boston College CB
142 Marquis Haynes Mississippi LB
143 Jordan Whitehead Pittsburgh S
144 Dorance Armstrong, Jr. Kansas LB
145 Mike White Western Kentucky QB
146 Simmie Cobbs, Jr. Indiana WR
147 Danny Johnson Southern CB
148 Deon Cain Clemson WR

I've been waiting for Maddog's Board! Where the heck is it?

Edit: Never mind...he sneaked it in when I wasn't looking! Sheesh! March 9th...he'd better get his act together and keep up with the McShay's and Kipers! LOL!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 18, 2018 at 2:13 PM ]

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Wow, when you say 2nd round pick and then look at the board, all those many great OGs/Cs and that inccludes those that play both, the bulk of the best are found from 21 (Wynn) to #35 (Braden), with 30( Hernanadez) and #31( Connor Williams) in between and that is where we aren't. I don't think Kyle intends to go thru this season and not fill in those two OG slots. I just don't believe he'd do that. So, we need to massage this a bit, and maybe have a two pronged approach. Design it so that if Nelson falls to 9, we go ahead and take him. Otherwise if not there, we may have to sacrifice a shot at Roquan(who we desperately need) and trade down into 30 (Hernandez) and 35 Braden. We would have to add in one of our 4ths (124) to make it work but we would still be short 33 points...

A lot depends on who exactly Kyle wants. If he wants Wynn, ok then we have to recalibrate. But the idea is to target those 4 guys, 21-35.

At least that is one opinion on how to land two really nice OGs. Then instead of half fixing the OL it and the O are finished. Use #59, 70, 74 for DE, LB, CB., plus the rest of our draft all D.

I hear you doc!

The narrative is that the draft is deep at interior OL but the question is, are we really in position to grab a few (including a T)?

So if we stay pat, who would you pick?

I'm guessing something like this and ideally, we'd do a small trade back and still get our guy.

1st round | 9th overall - ER Harold Landry
2nd round | 59th overall - LT Brian O'Neill
3rd round | 70th overall - G Austin Corbett
3rd round | 74th overall - CB Kevin Tolliver
4th round | 128th overall - WR Marcell Ateman
5th round | 143rd overall - FS Jordan Whitehead
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 18, 2018 at 4:47 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I've been waiting for Maddog's Board! Where the heck is it?

Edit: Never mind...he sneaked it in when I wasn't looking! Sheesh! March 9th...he'd better get his act together and keep up with the McShay's and Kipers! LOL!

Glad you found it! I'll have the link in my OP and update when he adds the 253. MD is the best. McShay and Kiper's got nothing on our own MD.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 18, 2018 at 4:09 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I've been waiting for Maddog's Board! Where the heck is it?

Edit: Never mind...he sneaked it in when I wasn't looking! Sheesh! March 9th...he'd better get his act together and keep up with the McShay's and Kipers! LOL!

Glad you found it! I'll have the link in my OP and update when he adds the 253. MD is the best. McShay and Kiper's got nothing on our own MD.

CBS has no QB in the top 9! So much for reality!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
CBS has no QB in the top 9! So much for reality!

Yeah, time to turn the page over to the experts!
Based on those rankings I'd be stoked with:

Roquan Smith
Mike Gesicki
Brian O'Neill
Rashaad Penny
Marcell Ateman or Kemoko Turay
Dorance Armstrong or Deon Cain
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