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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
So, in one single day, need for ER went from bad to desperate (someone please tell the staff).
And RB situation went from decent to terrible.

And we're worse off at S too. We literally got worse from 2017 in 3 major areas (ER, RB & S).

We got slightly better at WR. G seems even and T & CB could go either way.

THAT is not good...at all. So much for brick by brick. We're throwing bricks in the ocean.

Well over a 100 million in salary cap room and we got worse at safety,running back and edge rusher. I'm at a loss for words at how many holes this roster has. If every 49er fan on this board would be honest other then signing Jimmy G this off season has been a big let down. This team has no true #1 receiver,no really good outside pass rushers,no true every down running back and not a lot of depth at any position. If Kittle goes down we get to look at Celek and Wick. The front office failed this off season.
[ Edited by SanFranFanfrmVa on Sep 1, 2018 at 6:45 PM ]
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Originally posted by dj43:
We could eat his $8.5million but the staff must not think there is anyone else with more potential than Ward when he is healthy.

If Kyle were willing to admit his mistake with Joe Williams, why would he not cut Ward if he didn't honestly feel he was worth keeping?

Yeah, we're eating that $8.5M either way. I'd just prefer someone who's actually healthy and can contribute to the team. Like John wants.
Haven't played a game yet and people are judging the team? LOL!
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
Well over a 100 million in salary cap room and we got worse at safety,running back and edge rusher. I'm at a loss for words at how many holes this roster has. If every 49er fan on this board would be honest other then signing Jimmy G this off season has been a big let down. This team has no true #1 receiver,no really good outside pass rushers,no true every down running back and not a lot of depth at any position. If Kittle goes down we get to look at Celek and Wick. The front office failed this off season.

It is what it is. We'll have to see what rises to the surface now during real games. Ya never know.

I'm heartbroken for Kyle though. Those bags under his eyes are getting darker and you know he busted his ass off building much of his offense around McKinnon.

I'm just 'hoping' they have a plan for real depth at SS and make a move for a RB and ER.

It's not over yet but we're certainly reaching desperation hour.

That doesn't dismiss the mistakes made along the way, the inactions; ShanaLynch are learning on the fly here too. The whole FO staff for that matter.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 1, 2018 at 7:06 PM ]
Spending cap space to spend it isn't a way to build a team. I would rather take a build through the draft and supplement in free agency approach. Sucks about Jet and wish we have an ER, but we are only year 2 in a multiyear process.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
Well over a 100 million in salary cap room and we got worse at safety,running back and edge rusher. I'm at a loss for words at how many holes this roster has. If every 49er fan on this board would be honest other then signing Jimmy G this off season has been a big let down. This team has no true #1 receiver,no really good outside pass rushers,no true every down running back and not a lot of depth at any position. If Kittle goes down we get to look at Celek and Wick. The front office failed this off season.

It is what it is. We'll have to see what rises to the surface now during real games. Ya never know.

I'm heartbroken for Kyle though. Those bags under his eyes are getting darker and you know he busted his ass off building much of his offense around McKinnon.

I'm just 'hoping' they have a plan for real depth at SS and make a move for a RB and ER.

It's not over yet but we're certainly reaching desperation hour.

That doesn't dismiss the mistakes made along the way, the inactions; ShanaLynch are learning on the fly here too. The whole FO staff for that matter.

Remember...Jimmy now has Garcon, Goodwin, Pettis, Juszczyk, Kittle, Morris and others to help carry the weight of the offense. Last year he came in midseason without Garcon. So I would predict a better OL, better receivers, and an OK running game...if not a good one.

But, of course, who knows how it will turn out!
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
Well over a 100 million in salary cap room and we got worse at safety,running back and edge rusher. I'm at a loss for words at how many holes this roster has. If every 49er fan on this board would be honest other then signing Jimmy G this off season has been a big let down. This team has no true #1 receiver,no really good outside pass rushers,no true every down running back and not a lot of depth at any position. If Kittle goes down we get to look at Celek and Wick. The front office failed this off season.

It is what it is. We'll have to see what rises to the surface now during real games. Ya never know.

I'm heartbroken for Kyle though. Those bags under his eyes are getting darker and you know he busted his ass off building much of his offense around McKinnon.

I'm just 'hoping' they have a plan for real depth at SS and make a move for a RB and ER.

It's not over yet but we're certainly reaching desperation hour.

That doesn't dismiss the mistakes made along the way, the inactions; ShanaLynch are learning on the fly here too. The whole FO staff for that matter.

I'm absolutely *not* worried about the offense. With crap everywhere and Jimmy, Kyle basically created a credible offense out of said crap last year. It's defense I'm worried about. But they have over 1,000 players to choose from to make that defense a bit stronger over the weekend and shore up the arby's personnel. I think another poster on another thread said something similar happened last year with Malcom. He injured his chest and was lost for the year, and the defense still held together enough to generate 6 wins. Like you said, lets see what happens - they are in their 2nd year as HC/GM and are still learning on the fly.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Originally posted by NCommand:
At least we already knew that about Ward. Attaochu never got a shot for us to find out.

Competition at spot is too crowded.

Seriously. After Marsh, what's the point? LOL

Well Julian Taylor and Blair both looked better
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
Well over a 100 million in salary cap room and we got worse at safety,running back and edge rusher. I'm at a loss for words at how many holes this roster has. If every 49er fan on this board would be honest other then signing Jimmy G this off season has been a big let down. This team has no true #1 receiver,no really good outside pass rushers,no true every down running back and not a lot of depth at any position. If Kittle goes down we get to look at Celek and Wick. The front office failed this off season.

It is what it is. We'll have to see what rises to the surface now during real games. Ya never know.

I'm heartbroken for Kyle though. Those bags under his eyes are getting darker and you know he busted his ass off building much of his offense around McKinnon.

I'm just 'hoping' they have a plan for real depth at SS and make a move for a RB and ER.

It's not over yet but we're certainly reaching desperation hour.

That doesn't dismiss the mistakes made along the way, the inactions; ShanaLynch are learning on the fly here too. The whole FO staff for that matter.

Would love to hear you expand on why we're near desperation? Was the expectation that a first-time HC and GM would be mistake-free?

Some couldn't understand why they signed Morris...now it seems to have been a very smart and prescient move. Guys get hurt...the only one who is absolutely necessary to keep healthy is JG.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Would love to hear you expand on why we're near desperation? Was the expectation that a first-time HC and GM would be mistake-free?

Apparently so. LOL

Desperation in that we have 7 days until the season starts and our glaring talent holes just got bigger and we're down to 51 players. This is a very complex and intricate offense and Kyle, now has to rework the entire philosophy that was originally built around McKinnon's game and skill set...exploiting the mis-matches (adding an outside zone and a passing game). Now, we're back to Hyde-hour. It will be all inside zone again (predictable) with Morris and poor pass catching ability and zero outside zone. This offense works off the play action and forcing defenses to wear out laterally and hesitate reading run or pass and being non-predictable (run both run and pass plays from the same formations and personnel). Morris was exhausted after playing one half of football. Now he's got to tote the rock and be the bell cow for 16 games? Yeah, there's a reason why Kyle was scared s**tless that McKinnon tore his ACL. And this is why.

So, yeah, desperation for Kyle. He's now got to reshape the offensive philosophy and redo his game plan for Minnesota within a few days. And if we bring in another RB, he's going to have to learn a very complex offense and that is a major uphill battle. Breida has a history of shoulder injuries. He runs so hard and has gotten better inside and I hope he's worked on his hands. He can run some outside zone but again, that will be more predictable with him in there. Morris and Breida are both pretty average at pass protection as well.

Desperation in the pass rush department. Lynch went full Baalke and claimed he went in aggressively (prudent) and lost out d/t the prudent. OK, he tried. Like Baalke, he was in the race but couldn't close. Fine...you win some and you lose some. Unfortunately, the long list of draftee ER's we were tied to over the past 2 years is long (and many are certain to be better than Marsh), we did not move up for an ER in the draft, and in fact, got rid of our best ER from last year (who was used sparingly anyhow for more run defense) and cut the one FA we did bring in. Now we don't even have depth at SAM/ER and LEO. And without a great pass rush, that secondary is going to have to hold up and never get dinged up. So much is riding on the health of Sherman and Ward. Scary.

SS. Marcell Harris hasn't taken a snap and will be placed on I.R. per Lynch. T. Williams went down and injury settled and Chancellor James was cut early, and Powell late. We literally, have zero depth at SS behind Tartt who has his own injury issues. And if Colbert goes down? Does anyone trust Ward here...to stay healthy?

The rest of the team is looking good though.

QB: The plateau of BeatHard is offset by the expansive growth of Garoppolo in this offense
FB: Juice with a year's growth
TE: Kittle has to stay healthy but Wick could add to the run game
WR: Most versatile group we have and two deep with identical skill sets are each of the 3 spots
OL: Same unit that started all pre season is the same that will start week 1 but with better depth now
DL: The interior is insanely talented and deep and young. ER is horrendous.
LB: Appears much more diverse and talented and deep esp. when Foster comes back
CB: Obviously, if Sherman can regain form and make it through 16 games, we're golden. The depth behind it is young and developing and pretty raw though but it's a whole lot better than Dante Johnson and Rashard Robinson starting.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 2, 2018 at 9:34 AM ]
Alfred Morris is one of the best outside zone runners. I don't understand what you mean by Hyde hour and inside zone, NC.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Alfred Morris is one of the best outside zone runners. I don't understand what you mean by Hyde hour and inside zone, NC.

Morris is great but in that pre season game, it looked like mostly inside zone...any stretch runs? 29 years old, 2 weeks on an NFL roster and conditioning, I'd expect more IZ again like with Hyde.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Morris is great but in that pre season game, it looked like mostly inside zone...any stretch runs? 29 years old, 2 weeks on an NFL roster and conditioning, I'd expect more IZ again like with Hyde.

Most of them were outside zone. That's his money run.

Morris is one of the best OZ runners from this decade.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Morris is great but in that pre season game, it looked like mostly inside zone...any stretch runs? 29 years old, 2 weeks on an NFL roster and conditioning, I'd expect more IZ again like with Hyde.

Most of them were outside zone. That's his money run.

Morris is one of the best OZ runners from this decade.

OK, I just recall almost all of his runs in between the tackles; not many he's going to be stretching and breaking off outside. I know he was exceptional at OZ back in the day (despite not having electric speed). I'm confident you're right though.
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