Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Kyle must think Jimmy has a cute butt or something - that's the only reason I can think, why he's still starting him.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
JIMMY G IS THE WORST STARTING QB IN 49ER HISTORY. See how he missed Aiyuk and made him look bad last Sunday. Just a typical Jimmy G play:

JimmyG is the most overrated QB in 49er history... https://t.co/kiNcbJc8do

— Emperor Ming (@garymialocq) October 26, 2021

Lol no he's not...

He has awful pocket awareness. Kyle Insist on playing him though, soooo...

worst starting, not even close lol .

Most overrated, yea I can see that.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He wasn't wide open, but he had leverage on the DB for that route, the ball hit him in his chest, and it should have been caught (and probably should have been a flag on the DB).

You can have all the leverage you want. It doesn't mean you can make a guy's arm disappear away from your chest. He wasn't "open." Keep trying to tell us it should've been a routine grab, but the footage shows otherwise. He would've needed alot of extra effort to make the catch.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Deebo wasn't open. Even if your claim is true, that he chose to throw it to Deebo because he was "hot," and that Jimmy should not have recognized the the linebackers bailed, Deebo wasn't open.

Either way you look at it your wrong. Even if you accept that QBs are not capable of seeing that a linebacker who lined up in the A gap didn't blitz (a preposterous claim), Deebo was still blanketed and Sanu was still open for a touchdown.

He wasn't wide open, but he had leverage on the DB for that route, the ball hit him in his chest, and it should have been caught (and probably should have been a flag on the DB).

Only here and only in defense of Jimmy would someone BLANKETED with three other defenders near by be considered "wasn't wide open."

That was the wrong read, period. Even if we ASSUME that the hot route was Deebo, and that's where Jimmy was going, a GOOD QB sees the linebackers don't blitz, and already knew the safety had cheated towards Deebo. Terrible read. Terrible post-snap read if you want to argue he should have gone to the hitch for the blitz (even though he had quickly developing routes on the other side as well, including Sanu's route, which was breaking before the ball was thrown.

I mean lord almighty.

Opening plays off the script went very well. Also, JG flew downfield later on the drive that resulted in the Deebo TD.

Let JG cook, after the script let's go no huddle quick to the line and fly down the field guns ablazing. Defense won't know what hit em.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Opening plays off the script went very well. Also, JG flew downfield later on the drive that resulted in the Deebo TD.

Let JG cook, after the script let's go no huddle quick to the line and fly down the field guns ablazing. Defense won't know what hit em.

Alan Leroy is that you?

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Opening plays off the script went very well. Also, JG flew downfield later on the drive that resulted in the Deebo TD.

Let JG cook, after the script let's go no huddle quick to the line and fly down the field guns ablazing. Defense won't know what hit em.

Alan Leroy is that you?

More like JG about to pull a Leeroy Jenkins

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Opening plays off the script went very well. Also, JG flew downfield later on the drive that resulted in the Deebo TD.

Let JG cook, after the script let's go no huddle quick to the line and fly down the field guns ablazing. Defense won't know what hit em.

At this point what more to lose do we have? Might as well.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
At this point what more to lose do we have? Might as well.

No lets put him in shotgin where he is a fixed target for the pass rush and has more chance to stare down our guys.

McDaniel!

At this point, I basically blame Kyle / Lynch for the circumstances we are in and the disappointing performance from Jimmy.

Jimmy is the only QB that Kyle has had success with as a head coach. And you can pinpoint to the fact that the records are compared to guys like Brian Hoyer, CJ Beathard, and Nick Mullens, but that falls back on Shanahan as well. First year in charge, and Shanahan / Lynch had a perfect opportunity to get Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes, but instead opted for Solomon Thomas and the hope for Kirk Cousins. Kyle Shanahan didn't think he needed a big investment in the QB spot because he thought he'd get Kirk Cousins and made a decision on CJ Beathard as his guy (drafted him in the 3rd round and continued to stick with him as the backup despite his incompetence). It was Shanahan who determined that CJ Beathard would be fine.

Then when Shanahan had success with Jimmy... he decided to... throw him under the bus and move on from him? Shanahan never wanted Jimmy, and it is evidenced by how he's treated Jimmy the whole time he's been here.

Kyle has been scared to lose, scared to take chances, and that's why Jimmy doesn't launch it. We've already seen that Jimmy can launch it just fine - he led the league with 61% of completed passes on attempts beyond 20 yards in 2019. Jimmy can do deep just fine.

But Kyle doesn't do it.

The fact is, Kyle is too timid, whoever the QB is, and that's why our QB's aren't having the success that we want to see. Add into the fact that Kyle, in his infinite wisdom, invested 4 picks into replacing the only guy that he's had success with, and now Jimmy is in a no-win situation here.

Due to the trade, the media and fanbase have given him absolutely 0 margin for error, and imposed impossible standards on him to keep his job.
His coach is too scared to open up the offense to actually let the QB thrive.
Jimmy knows there is no investment in him any longer, and no motivation left to go out and ball out for the franchise.

Meanwhile, we have a rookie QB who is so far removed from being ready to play at an NFL level, and no longer having high picks to build around him for the next couple years, and you have a recipe for disaster of epic proportions for this franchise.

Shanahan and Lynch should have stayed at 12, grabbed Jones / Field / Lance (whoever was left at 12), kept the pics, and not shown the desperation to get away from Jimmy, and actually allow the QB to make plays on the field.

The shortcoming for this season isn't on Jimmy. It's not on Trey. It falls squarely on Shanahan and Lynch

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Shanahan and Lynch should have stayed at 12, grabbed Jones / Field / Lance (whoever was left at 12), kept the pics, and not shown the desperation to get away from Jimmy, and actually allow the QB to make plays on the field.

The shortcoming for this season isn't on Jimmy. It's not on Trey. It falls squarely on Shanahan and Lynch

What do you mean by this? Are you suggesting that Kyle is controlling Jimmy like some kind of robot with a controller?

There's guys wide open all the time, but Jimmy chooses to throw into quadruple coverage and locks onto Deebo every f**king time. Is that Kyle's fault?

You give Kyle Shanahan someone like Aaron Rodgers or Watson, of course he'll be regarded as a good coach. Coaches mean absolute jack s**t without a good quarterback. Look at Pete Carroll last night. He was pathetic.

The fact that people think Matt LaFleur is a good coach is the biggest joke. He might seem like a nice guy, but come on man. If he was starting Jordan Love instead of Rodgers, he'd be a loser head coach too.

Yeah, I am critical of Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. But that is mostly because they have refused to address the Quarterback situation after 5 f**king years. That's a personnel problem.

Seeing that play where Jimmy misses a wide open Sanu to throw a pick instead cools me.off on my Shannahan frustration at least. Not much more you can do besides call a play thats gets a wide open receiver for a win. Might just be his playcalling is fine but I can't tell because our QB can't play the position.

That play by itself ended Jimmy for me. That was Mullens level bad. I know Jimmy was never great but he's regressed even further and getting worse the more he plays. I'm not sure whose fault it is but hopefully its not a precursor to Lance's development.

Originally posted by Antix:
Seeing that play where Jimmy misses a wide open Sanu to throw a pick instead cools me.off on my Shannahan frustration at least. Not much more you can do besides call a play thats gets a wide open receiver for a win. Might just be his playcalling is fine but I can't tell because our QB can't play the position.

That play by itself ended Jimmy for me. That was Mullens level bad. I know Jimmy was never great but he's regressed even further and getting worse the more he plays. I'm not sure whose fault it is but hopefully its not a precursor to Lance's development.

The All-22 is great to watch because you'll see the throws that Jimmy is making and the throws that he's missing, he just doesn't read the defense properly. My neighbor's a Rams fan and was saying it's the same issues they had with Goff and look at them now with Stafford, that's how the offense is supposed to run.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
What do you mean by this? Are you suggesting that Kyle is controlling Jimmy like some kind of robot with a controller?

There's guys wide open all the time, but Jimmy chooses to throw into quadruple coverage and locks onto Deebo every f**king time. Is that Kyle's fault?

You give Kyle Shanahan someone like Aaron Rodgers or Watson, of course he'll be regarded as a good coach. Coaches mean absolute jack s**t without a good quarterback. Look at Pete Carroll last night. He was pathetic.

The fact that people think Matt LaFleur is a good coach is the biggest joke. He might seem like a nice guy, but come on man. If he was starting Jordan Love instead of Rodgers, he'd be a loser head coach too.

Yeah, I am critical of Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. But that is mostly because they have refused to address the Quarterback situation after 5 f**king years. That's a personnel problem.

Are there guys open all the time? Because most of the non-emotionally invested analysts (I.E. Cossell, Baldy, etc.) imply the opposite, that receivers are having a hard time getting separation. 2 weeks ago when Trey Lance was starting, suddenly the media and fanbase recognized that receivers weren't open, but now this week it's back to Jimmy's fault.

Does Kyle control him like some kind of robot? No. But he can train him and tell him the way to execute his offense.

Jimmy can go deep if asked to. He was successful 61% of the time when he tried to in 2019, which was good for #1 in the NFL. He clinched the division for the 49ers with a deep bomb on 3rd and 16 to Emmanuel Sanders against the Rams. The play that made everyone get tight in the pants for Trey Lance in the pre-season was basically Jimmy's entire 2019.

The final Jimmy play on Sunday night where he missed Sanu is a bad play on Jimmy, 100%. That individual play was not the fault of Kyle. It was not the fault of Deebo. That play was 100% on Jimmy.

Not every play that has been missed this year has been 100% on Jimmy.

But he's been given literally 0 margin for error, so that play on Sunday night that was 100% on Jimmy is now being used for a whole new revisionist history that this has been what Jimmy has been the entire time he's been here.

I'm not arguing that Jimmy shouldn't be replaced. Drafting a QB given the injury history was prudent.

I'm saying that the methods used to replace Jimmy are emblematic of the larger problem, which is going to exist even when Jimmy is gone, off this roster, and merely a figment of our memories of 2019.

Not sure why this is a controversial take when even with Trey Lance *in* Kyle's playcalling has been suspect and heavily criticized. Not sure why it's okay to hold gameplanning under a microscope when it's Trey in the game, but when it's Jimmy, criticizing the gameplanning and strategic decisions is compared to "controlling Jimmy like a robot"

Screw it. If we're sticking with Jimmy, get Juice off the field and line up 3 and 4 WR sets and let Jimmy pick his receiver. He clearly isn't working in this offense.