Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by Youngone:
I doubt Brady was talking about Jimmy. I'm sure the beef between the two is overblown. Brady got him shipped out anyway, why would he remain bitter about that? Brady is annoying AF now tho

Yeah, that's a really good point.

Would Brady have beef with a guy that he got traded, then want to take his job on his new team??? Doesn't make any sense.

Imagine if history was reversed and Montana got Young traded to KC, then when Montana was "done" in SF, get pissed that KC decided to keep Young instead of signing his old ass? Come on.

I get that Brady is a Niner fan and the job a dream come true, but the best shot of him being a Niner was if Belichick traded him instead of Jimmy, or if Jimmy really failed early on.

Jimmy would have had to have started all 16 games in 2019 and led us to a 8-8 record, and maybe it would have made sense.

Honestly I understand he's one of the all time greats and most people declare him to be the GOAT.

But he's always or at least for a while been an all time douche and whiny little metrosexual too. And that's not just me being a homer because I'll stick with Joe as the GOAT. He just is. He's good at presenting a professional, good guy demeanor for the press and the cameras and I don't know that any former Patriots have necessarily a bad thing to say about him. But just comments like this and his spoiled little brat/sore loser schtick where if he loses a tough game he is off the field as soon as possible while the other team's QB who went to see him is standing there looking like an idiot. If you're a member of his club and someone he considers to be a peer on his level, aka Aaron Rodgers, he might stick around. If you're a lucky stiff like Nick Foles or whomever it was last year, he won't have time for you because he has to go cry. Sorry, great player of course but that just doesn't impress me.

As far as him potentially coming here before last season, we could have played that game or could play that game all day. With the injuries it's doubtful we get ring #6 and he still gets ring #7 regardless. It likely would have been better without the Mullens turnover fest in those games. But as great as he's been and even still was last season, there were a lot of people who thought he was close to being done if not done his last year in New England when that offense wasn't good at all and their playoff run ended him throwing a pick 6 if memory serves. He went to Tampa Bay and got to throw to Evans, Godwin, and of course even got Gronk to come out of retirement. Big difference and big indicator that even the GOAT's or would be GOAT's at the position need some guys around them to truly succeed. That's one of the reasons why some of the criticism, maybe even quite a bit of it, around Jimmy G's play was never completely fair or accurate. He of course could have been/needs to be more consistent and needs to do some things better than what he does. But when he first got here and even for much of 2019 he didn't have an abundance of targets to throw to that worried teams all that much. Kittle and hope guys like Deebo and Bourne and of course Pettis when he was here hold on to the danged ball instead of having it clank off their hands. Deebo and Bourne at least improved with that. Dante never really did and so that was that.

Still doubt, really doubt, the comment was directed toward Jimmy though. Especially coming of a Super Bowl season, winning or losing and bad fourth quarter or not.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Minshew sucks - Jimmy all the way.

Minshew/Lance for $5M or Jimmy/Lance for $30+M ?

This. The 49ers are seriously tight against the cap for 2022, and dumping Jimmy's salary this year would roll $20-$25 million into 2022 (along with freeing up the $26M they'd save on him for his 2022 cap hit). That extra $45-$50M could keep a lot of good guys around (Warner, Bosa, Deebo, etc), as well as plugging some roster holes with decent vet role-players.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Doubt he was talking about him. They have a cordial relationship, and despite what others might say, Jimmy isn't some trash QB, which is what it sounds like Brady is talking about,

Brady isin't concerned with cordial relationships. He's alot more savage than he looks,...hence the 7 rings.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Jimmy signed through 2022.
Hypothetical: He played his ass off 2021. MVP or SB or both. Do we still trade Jimmy or let him played out 2022...?

I would be torn with the decision...

That's essentially the same spot Green Bay was in before Rodgers started complaining. It all comes down to if Lance is ready to go. That's what happens when you spend a ton of capital to draft a quarterback. It stopped being about Jimmy, and started being about Trey. Now, if Trey looks like Jordan Love, then it's Jimmy time. If Trey looks like a starter, you trade Jimmy for two firsts, and you pop the champagne corks for making it all work.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Did he want to play for all those teams? just asking because I didn't read anywhere that he actually wanted to play for those teams, but rather they were "interested"

Honestly who cares

Of all the things i could get nuts about. and you are well aware of my thick folder containing said examples..... this stupid s**t is not one of them

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Doubt he was talking about him. They have a cordial relationship, and despite what others might say, Jimmy isn't some trash QB, which is what it sounds like Brady is talking about,

Brady isin't concerned with cordial relationships. He's alot more savage than he looks,...hence the 7 rings.

Yeah, sounds like he was taking a shot at Jimmy, but who knows for sure. I believe Brady wanted to be a Niner too and was probably upset we didn't sign him. 🤔

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Doubt he was talking about him. They have a cordial relationship, and despite what others might say, Jimmy isn't some trash QB, which is what it sounds like Brady is talking about,

Brady isin't concerned with cordial relationships. He's alot more savage than he looks,...hence the 7 rings.

Yeah, sounds like he was taking a shot at Jimmy, but who knows for sure. I believe Brady wanted to be a Niner too and was probably upset we didn't sign him. 🤔

Yes,...Brady will have his Save The Last Dance episode in due time. But anyone being mentioned for a couple years as a possible replacement for him and his aging body and "IT'S PERSONAL." You can just tell it's in his DNA. Throwing out a comment like this gets his feelings out and protects the "cordial" guy he cares so much about at the same time,...at least until his career is over, which might end up being relatively soon.

The comment was for a team that was on the fence for Brady. We were never on the fence for Brady

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The comment was for a team that was on the fence for Brady. We were never on the fence for Brady

I'd agree that that makes us feel more comfortable,...but supposedly what set the wheels in motion to begin with was...

According to Miller, the 49ers originally called about Garoppolo, but Belichick instead offered Brady, wanting to keep the young quarterback to extend the Patriots' dynasty. A Patriots source confirmed to Miller that this is what happened, but team owner Robert Kraft squashed the idea of trading Brady.

"Kraft shut that s--t down fast," a source close to Belichick told Miller. "So, instead, Lynch gets Garoppolo, but Brady, Belichick and Kraft haven't been the same since Tom learned that Bill was ready to get rid of him. And that lit a fire under his ass."

Brady, fueled by Belichick's desire to ditch him for Garoppolo, took the Patriots to two more Super Bowls, winning one. All the while, the legendary quarterback restructured his deal, so the Patriots wouldn't be able to franchise tag him and he'd be free to leave.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-bill-belichick-offering-tom-brady-49ers-led-qb-leave

In the end, Tom Brady chose to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but they weren't his first choice.

In a new in-depth column posted Sunday, ESPN's Seth Wickersham reported that Brady told the 49ers that they were his top choice and that the Niners did consider signing Brady even with Jimmy Garoppolo still on the roster.

"Brady made it clear through various channels that the team of his childhood would be the team of his future, if the 49ers wanted," Wickersham wrote. "The 49ers discussed it, but in the end, the team was committed to Jimmy Garoppolo."
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-49ers-discussed-signing-qb-tom-brady-free-agency

And these press clippings are over a year before Tom's latest comment.

That "You really thought about HIM for ME???" thing has probably been fueling him for years since it started,...and he'd even won another championship for them since.

I don't know why people want to make Tom out to be this nice, respectful guy that's nice to competition. Him being overly-concerned for a "friend" that was supposedly rumored to replace him in the same building he'd become a legend working for just isin't the way he's built. Dude's a killer.

He's crossed 2 organizations off of his list for really thinking Jimmy would be better than him and he's enjoying proving both of them wrong.

If you don't think it was about us,...that's fine. But bring up his friendship with Jimmy just tells me you really dont get it when it comes to this level of sports.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The comment was for a team that was on the fence for Brady. We were never on the fence for Brady

I'd agree that that makes us feel more comfortable,...but supposedly what set the wheels in motion to begin with was...

According to Miller, the 49ers originally called about Garoppolo, but Belichick instead offered Brady, wanting to keep the young quarterback to extend the Patriots' dynasty. A Patriots source confirmed to Miller that this is what happened, but team owner Robert Kraft squashed the idea of trading Brady.

"Kraft shut that s--t down fast," a source close to Belichick told Miller. "So, instead, Lynch gets Garoppolo, but Brady, Belichick and Kraft haven't been the same since Tom learned that Bill was ready to get rid of him. And that lit a fire under his ass."

Brady, fueled by Belichick's desire to ditch him for Garoppolo, took the Patriots to two more Super Bowls, winning one. All the while, the legendary quarterback restructured his deal, so the Patriots wouldn't be able to franchise tag him and he'd be free to leave.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-bill-belichick-offering-tom-brady-49ers-led-qb-leave

In the end, Tom Brady chose to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but they weren't his first choice.

In a new in-depth column posted Sunday, ESPN's Seth Wickersham reported that Brady told the 49ers that they were his top choice and that the Niners did consider signing Brady even with Jimmy Garoppolo still on the roster.

"Brady made it clear through various channels that the team of his childhood would be the team of his future, if the 49ers wanted," Wickersham wrote. "The 49ers discussed it, but in the end, the team was committed to Jimmy Garoppolo."
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-49ers-discussed-signing-qb-tom-brady-free-agency

And these press clippings are over a year before Tom's latest comment.

That "You really thought about HIM for ME???" thing has probably been fueling him for years since it started,...and he'd even won another championship for them since.

I don't know why people want to make Tom out to be this nice, respectful guy that's nice to competition. Him being overly-concerned for a "friend" that was supposedly rumored to replace him in the same building he'd become a legend working for just isin't the way he's built. Dude's a killer.

If you don't think it was about us,...that's fine. But bring up his friendship with Jimmy just tells me you really dont get it when it comes to this level of sports.

Straight from Lynch's mouth debunks the first article. Bill did not offer TB in 2017 : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2793064-john-lynch-confirms-tom-brady-trade-offer-says-bill-belichick-laughed-at-me

all good, Brady a b***h tho for not making it clear

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Straight from Lynch's mouth debunks the first article. Bill did not offer TB in 2017 : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2793064-john-lynch-confirms-tom-brady-trade-offer-says-bill-belichick-laughed-at-me

all good, Brady a b***h tho for not making it clear

Bill's not the owner. Did you read the comments about Kraft shutting it down? That's an in-house issue in New England.

And even beyond that, I'd never depend on John Lynch to break news, given all of his past comments. He always toes the company line, and for good reason, since final decisions aren't really up to him anyway.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
If Jimmy plays out of his mind in 2021 and wins MVP, a SB, and/or the SB MVP, the Niners trade him for a 1 or better and thank their stars that a desperate team is willing to ignore the hoes in his skillset while paying big and hoping that his injury issues are over. Trey will not need more than one year to be ready. He's come further in resolving his mechanical issues in several months than Jimmy has progressed in resolving his flaws in 4 years, and Shanahan and Lynch didn't give 2 firsts and a third to trade up to three so they could sit Lance through his rookie contract.

Anything the team gets for Jimmy above a day 2 pick is found money at this point. He's an average to above average starter in the league (with injury concerns), and it's clear that he benefits from partnering with Shanahan. If Goff struggles in Detroit this year, it will hurt Garoppolo's trade value, because a lot of credit for Goff's success will be attributed to the scheme, and it would be reasonable for teams to assume that Jimmy would experience a similar step down if he had to move out of the Shanahan offense.

A lot of assumptions in this post that slant towards the negative in what you've seen in Garoppolo. "...trade him for a 1 or better and thank their stars that a desperate team is willing to ignore the hoes in his skillset." If Garoppolo performs well this year like I believe he will (not MVP level but improving on his 2019 production, which I think he can), maybe some of those "holes in his skillset" will be refined and improved upon. Good chance they will. Just in watching closely his talent level going back to his NE days, he still can improve overall as a QB. Injuries have really derailed this for him IMO.

"It's clear that he benefits from partnering with Shanahan"...yes, as it would be the case with any QB, but Shanahan also has benefitted in having a talented QB like Garoppolo executing the game plan and forcing teams to play it honest vs. the Niners' passing AND running attack. Complimentary football, and the Niners have been extremely tough to beat when Garoppolo plays a complete game healthy.

"If Goff struggles in Detroit this year, it will hurt Garoppolo's trade value, because a lot of credit for Goff's success will be attributed to the scheme, and it would be reasonable for teams to assume that Jimmy would experience a similar step down if he had to move out of the Shanahan offense." Really? Sounds a lot like trying to minimize what Garoppolo has done as an overall NFL QB - here and with NE. If Goff struggles this year in Detroit, it won't be correlated to Garoppolo at all if Garoppolo plays well, especially if he improves on 2019. Did you watch Garoppolo play in NE, which is a different scheme? He did pretty well when called upon - I was impressed by the talent I saw in running that O.

Posts like these are incredibly bewildering to me, a diehard fan of the Niners for 44 years. I also want what's best for the team, and yes, I root for the franchise over the individual. I acknowledge that they've just drafted a QB in Lance that seems to have all the traits & talent you want in a QB and it seems just a matter of time for him to get his chance (yet let it play out, let him take a real snap first). Yet I also acknowledge Garoppolo's talents and weaknesses, but I don't try to minimize what Garoppolo has done to date here and what he can do going forward in being better. I've seen too many times in my lifetime of watching talented NFL QBs, on the Niners and throughout the league, to know that such guys can improve a little later in their careers (due to sitting behind a very good QB or sitting due to injury, etc.).

We'll see what happens this year...wouldn't be surprised at all if Garoppolo surprises some of the fans in this forum.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Jimmy signed through 2022.
Hypothetical: He played his ass off 2021. MVP or SB or both. Do we still trade Jimmy or let him played out 2022...?

I would be torn with the decision...

If Jimmy plays out of his mind in 2021 and wins MVP, a SB, and/or the SB MVP, the Niners trade him for a 1 or better and thank their stars that a desperate team is willing to ignore the hoes in his skillset while paying big and hoping that his injury issues are over. Trey will not need more than one year to be ready. He's come further in resolving his mechanical issues in several months than Jimmy has progressed in resolving his flaws in 4 years, and Shanahan and Lynch didn't give 2 firsts and a third to trade up to three so they could sit Lance through his rookie contract.

Anything the team gets for Jimmy above a day 2 pick is found money at this point. He's an average to above average starter in the league (with injury concerns), and it's clear that he benefits from partnering with Shanahan. If Goff struggles in Detroit this year, it will hurt Garoppolo's trade value, because a lot of credit for Goff's success will be attributed to the scheme, and it would be reasonable for teams to assume that Jimmy would experience a similar step down if he had to move out of the Shanahan offense.

Agree with your first paragraph Wrath, but i still think the best thing that happened to Mahomes was to land under Andy Reid and watch with clipboard and listen on earphones to every play, He easily could have played, so much talent. But Reid did the right thing and then next yr , SB and he wins it . I see Trey in the same light. All that talent, but he just started playing in high school and then played ONE yr in college in a division 1 D or whatever league, at NDSU. So the opposition was like playing in a JV league, altho It can be tough at times. And then he played ONE game last yr.

i just don't see the need to put him in and see what he can do THiS yr when we have a great qb in JG , as long as he stays uninjured. If he does, then he starts all yr. Will Trey come in on some specialty plays? Sure. We all expect that. But as for starting, the worst thing kyle could do would be to play him with so incredibly little experience against BIGGER , FASTER, MEANER, STRONGER, NFL defenses.

Let him watch a JJ Watts, a Chandler, a Donald, or pick your D poison. Much rather see Trey WATCHING that than seeing up close and personal.

Let him learn by example, and get a feel for how kyle calls a game and let him guess what kyle calls next, and why….and so on. No question it behooves us for JG to have an all pro exceptional yr. if that happens, we win it all. But the rush to see Trey? Hey we're gonna see him lots of yrs. Why start him when he really has played only 4 yrs high school and 1 yr college. That i don't get. Let him learn off of Jimmy. Mahomes was a way better athlete than Alex. But that first yr, Andy Reid took some heat, but did it right. I hope we do too.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Straight from Lynch's mouth debunks the first article. Bill did not offer TB in 2017 : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2793064-john-lynch-confirms-tom-brady-trade-offer-says-bill-belichick-laughed-at-me

all good, Brady a b***h tho for not making it clear

Bill's not the owner. Did you read the comments about Kraft shutting it down? That's an in-house issue in New England.

And even beyond that, I'd never depend on John Lynch to break news, given all of his past comments. He always toes the company line, and for good reason, since final decisions aren't really up to him anyway.

Lynch isn't calling Kraft for trades.. it's well documented that Lynch called for jimmy, was denied and so he asked about Brady which Bill didn't take seriously.

I heard about not seeing eye to eye in that Org, but the media only tells the truth when you believe it. not sure why you want to believe some beat writer than our own GM but it's all good. It's not going to change anything for the 49ers this year regarding our QBs

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lynch isn't calling Kraft for trades.. it's well documented that Lynch called for jimmy, was denied and so he asked about Brady which Bill didn't take seriously.

This call didn't happen on live air. The documenting of it is left up to the parties that choose to discuss it. Again, I think you weigh Lynch's words too heavily, and it seems you're finding an excuse to skip over comments that clearly was a "New England" issue, having nothing to do with Lynch or his state phone calls.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not sure why you want to believe some beat writer than our own GM but it's all good. It's not going to change anything for the 49ers this year regarding our QBs

Obviously, I think it's the reverse. I think you're moreso believing what you want to believe. I take all of these comments at face value, and I have an open mind,....but where I sense smoke, I'm guessing there's fire.

I think Tom clearly took a shot at our organization (not Jimmy). You don't. It's a wash and Tom loves this stuff.