Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
It's noted that the 49ers' locker room is one of, and perhaps, the best. ShanaLynch have acquired selfless guys, dedicated to their team. It may be, with this personality, that the players work too hard. For instance, Kittle refuses an operation on his shoulder because doesn't want to miss a workout. As noted above, football players are rocked. Perhaps SF's players build muscles even more that more often yank tendons and bones too severely.

This wouldn't explain the apparent high ranking of SF's injuries before ShanaLynch's arrival.

I somewhat agree, and I'll just add that (for example) the two biggest injuries were to Jimmy and Bosa. Jimmy had shoulder issues in New England, and I've seen him try to truck linebackers when he's forced to scramble. (Jimmys Knee injury, he tried to gain extra yardage and tore his knee, instead of simply going out of bounds). As for Bosa, he's also had knee injuries in college, and his Father had knee injuries with the Dolphins.

In other words, I think overwork may have something to do with it, but I think a players injury history may have more of an effect. Certain players, just by their play style, or genetics -- simply get injured more, and so ShanaLynch have tweaked their scouting analysis to avoid those players.

Then in 2020, they played (i think) 9+ games on astro-turf, that won't help the injury stats, for sure. They lost Solomon and Bosa on an astro-turf field. If I'm Kyle, I'd be zeroing on the equipment manager for any astro-turf injuries.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha, nice! Yeah, nothing wrong with moving on and talking next steps. Just as long as those steps don't lead to more ACL's, Achilles, and hammy tears. LOL

I just don't see how ligament injuries are avoidable in football? Sucks and it's mind-blowing how much it happens here....but it's part of the game.

These guys gotta come to OTAs in better shape IMO...it's tough to do that unless you're training at the facility months prior.

Well my understanding is soft tissue injuries happen from over use. So maybe they need to come in worst shape.

Crock mirroring one of my theories.

NFL teams used to practice for like 3 hours or something crazy.. and that's not even including Summer 2 a days. Brutal practices. Full padded. Hitting & all. And definitely didn't have training resources like teams do today. Yet, there are way more injuries. Why is that?

— Crocky⚡️ (@eric_crocker) June 8, 2021

Is there data to support it? Or is it because now in the twitter social media era it's more widely reported?

it's simple.. there is just more wear and tear...

Pros are training year round.. right after the Super Bowl ...you see all these back to the grind tweets. They should just rest

Players do train him more than they trained years ago..

It doesn't matter what you're doing in a gym be it Plyrometrics or just lifting weights every motion you do should be designed to put minimal pressure on your joints and tendons and to only stress the muscle..

Football is anything but straight up and down motion. There are lateral stresses put on joints and tendons and ligaments constantly. You can't train for that...

However, the 49ers have had a higher than average amount of injuries constantly for years without going back to the mean & Because of that, there should be a solution.

Shouldn't more stretching help out ?

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Players do train him more than they trained years ago..

It doesn't matter what you're doing in a gym be it Plyrometrics or just lifting weights every motion you do should be designed to put minimal pressure on your joints and tendons and to only stress the muscle..

Football is anything but straight up and down motion. There are lateral stresses put on joints and tendons and ligaments constantly. You can't train for that...

However, the 49ers have had a higher than average amount of injuries constantly for years without going back to the mean & Because of that, there should be a solution.

For real! Going against a sled is significantly different than going against a linemen who'll use hands, technique, strength, angles, etc. to reroute you, throw you off your balance, etc. Those subtle battles affect the body drastically different. Proper technique is critical to balance and base and strength.

Do we know how Moore and Skule blew out their Achilles and ACL? Were both blocking and playing high in their techniques? I remember watching Moore a couple years ago and watching him fly into ball carriers completely out of control and thinking, "This dude is begging to go on I.R." Sure enough.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
It's getting to the point that the players are so strong and so fast that they're pushing the physical limits of ligaments and tendons. Maybe in the future these guys will get cyberneticly implanted ligaments and tendons made of kevlar and titanium.

Think about the players that got injured. Both were basically playing for their jobs. Could it be that they were pushing their bodies past their physical limits? Perhaps this team is way too competitive with guys like Deebo and Kittle with his wrestler mentality. Everyone feeds off of that and pushes themselves to the limit.

But how do you tell guys to take it easy without telling them to take it easy. On top of that, it's easy to tell a guy like Trent Williams to take it easy, but how can you say that to a guy who is on the bubble like Justin Skule?

This is one of my theories as well. That because of the CBA rules and how much SF cuts back and plays overly cautiously on the injury front, players have less opportunities to shine and make an impression so they end up overextending themselves in the few changes to shine and consequently, get injured. Just one element to this formula IMHO.

I think the PED theory is valid as well, and I'm betting certain genetics handle PEDs better than others. I think PEDs are rampant in college and maybe they can track who gets injured more in college and stay away from those types of players, because once they get to the NFL, there is tremendous financial incentive to take PEDs, even more so than in college. I think Docs point about getting medical doctors with more experience and more R&D resources is a valid path. Specially with guys who research areas like PEDs and Ligament and connective tissue research.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
It's getting to the point that the players are so strong and so fast that they're pushing the physical limits of ligaments and tendons. Maybe in the future these guys will get cyberneticly implanted ligaments and tendons made of kevlar and titanium.

Think about the players that got injured. Both were basically playing for their jobs. Could it be that they were pushing their bodies past their physical limits? Perhaps this team is way too competitive with guys like Deebo and Kittle with his wrestler mentality. Everyone feeds off of that and pushes themselves to the limit.

But how do you tell guys to take it easy without telling them to take it easy. On top of that, it's easy to tell a guy like Trent Williams to take it easy, but how can you say that to a guy who is on the bubble like Justin Skule?

This is one of my theories as well. That because of the CBA rules and how much SF cuts back and plays overly cautiously on the injury front, players have less opportunities to shine and make an impression so they end up overextending themselves in the few changes to shine and consequently, get injured. Just one element to this formula IMHO.

I think the PED theory is valid as well, and I'm betting certain genetics handle PEDs better than others. I think PEDs are rampant in college and maybe they can track who gets injured more in college and stay away from those types of players, because once they get to the NFL, there is tremendous financial incentive to take PEDs, even more so than in college. I think Docs point about getting medical doctors with more experience and more R&D resources is a valid path. Specially with guys who research areas like PEDs and Ligament and connective tissue research.

Yeah, God only knows the side effects some of the stimulants and other supplements have on bones and ligaments esp. when bulking up faster and further than the body can adjust too.

You're going to run and play differently at different weights.

Lots of PED's up in Seattle. No doubt.

I dont' understand the refusal to lock this thread. No good can come of this.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I dont' understand the refusal to lock this thread. No good can come of this.

That's on me. I don't see how a thread on the internet affects anything in real life when it comes to 49er injuries. I'll keep an open mind so if you can show me proof of the contrary then that changes things.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I dont' understand the refusal to lock this thread. No good can come of this.

That's on me. I don't see how a thread on the internet affects anything in real life when it comes to 49er injuries. I'll keep an open mind so if you can show me proof of the contrary then that changes things.

What more proof do you need? more IRs ?

This thread needs to be destroyed, deleted.. kaput

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I dont' understand the refusal to lock this thread. No good can come of this.

That's on me. I don't see how a thread on the internet affects anything in real life when it comes to 49er injuries. I'll keep an open mind so if you can show me proof of the contrary then that changes things.

What more proof do you need? more IRs ?

This thread needs to be destroyed, deleted.. kaput

while there is no physical, concrete evidence that this thread has any effect on the injuries. we need all the luck we can get at this point. i vote for locking.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I dont' understand the refusal to lock this thread. No good can come of this.

That's on me. I don't see how a thread on the internet affects anything in real life when it comes to 49er injuries. I'll keep an open mind so if you can show me proof of the contrary then that changes things.

LOL. The day the 49ers have even average health, it'll drop on the board like a rock. And let's hope it stays there!

Originally posted by Giedi:
Whoever was strength and conditioning coach and the medical guys back in 2012, maybe recall them to pick their brains and see if they can be consultant to our current guys if they are still available.

To me money-ball is the simplest explanation for now. As others have said, the CBA pretty much forces NFL clubs to do the same thing.

What happened in 2012 was that the 49ers got into cap hell, and maybe Paarag instituted the money ball policies (I think) around that time. They just redid their money-ball scouting analysis this year, so I think it will take a year or two for the statistics to regress to the mean. It looks like since Kyle's been HC its just gotten worse. (Maybe its his scheme on top of the money-ball?)

You also can't ignore the fact that the NFL has the concussion protocol that requires a lot of players to miss games. They didn't have that several years ago. Some teams might be more cautious and report concussions at a higher rate than others. I think trying to find a reason is like trying to find the fountain of youth. There really isn't any. It's bad luck and that can last a long time but it eventually changes.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
It's noted that the 49ers' locker room is one of, and perhaps, the best. ShanaLynch have acquired selfless guys, dedicated to their team. It may be, with this personality, that the players work too hard. For instance, Kittle refuses an operation on his shoulder because doesn't want to miss a workout. As noted above, football players are rocked. Perhaps SF's players build muscles even more that more often yank tendons and bones too severely.

This wouldn't explain the apparent high ranking of SF's injuries before ShanaLynch's arrival.

I just listened to the new Crock Talk TV talking about this injury problem. Good listen once ex NFL player Will Blackmon joins in (9:30). You can fast forward through G Cohn's comments. You would think the 49ers would have off season nutrition, workout frequency and rest guidelines for all their players.
Are there certain players who have worked to hard before coming to OTA's ? Is there a fine line between staying in shape and working too hard ? Could the extra work T Moore did to bulk up lead to his injury? So many questions.

WTF! According to Kyle, Jeff Wilson got injured getting up from a chair.

We need to raid Pete Carrol's office. He's got a voodoo doll in his desk.