Predict 53 man Roster- 2017

So how many yards from Vance does it take to be a successful season. Also, y'all think Lynchahan are lying that they had a trade for Vance but decided to pass cause the compensation wasn't worth it?

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
So how many yards from Vance does it take to be a successful season. Also, y'all think Lynchahan are lying that they had a trade for Vance but decided to pass cause the compensation wasn't worth it?

yards don't really mean much when you only have 24 catches and 4 drops.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
So how many yards from Vance does it take to be a successful season. Also, y'all think Lynchahan are lying that they had a trade for Vance but decided to pass cause the compensation wasn't worth it?

yards don't really mean much when you only have 24 catches and 4 drops.

Logan Paulsen, Garrett Celek, and Blake Bell had a higher drop rate then him last yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
So how many yards from Vance does it take to be a successful season. Also, y'all think Lynchahan are lying that they had a trade for Vance but decided to pass cause the compensation wasn't worth it?

yards don't really mean much when you only have 24 catches and 4 drops.

Logan Paulsen, Garrett Celek, and Blake Bell had a higher drop rate then him last yr.

yeah and? Paulsen and Celek were undrafted and Bell was a 4th rounder.

2016
Celek - 50 targets, 29 catches, 5 drops, 58% catching
McD - 45 targets, 24 catches, 4 drops, 53.3% catching

career
Celek - 56 catches, 678 yards, 6 tds
McD - 64 catches, 866 yards, 7 tds

for a 2nd rounder the team traded up to get Vance has been as good as an undrafted backup TE.

great

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

So how many yards from Vance does it take to be a successful season. Also, y'all think Lynchahan are lying that they had a trade for Vance but decided to pass cause the compensation wasn't worth it?

yards don't really mean much when you only have 24 catches and 4 drops.

Logan Paulsen, Garrett Celek, and Blake Bell had a higher drop rate then him last yr.

yeah and? Paulsen and Celek were undrafted and Bell was a 4th rounder.

2016
Celek - 50 targets, 29 catches, 5 drops, 58% catching
McD - 45 targets, 24 catches, 4 drops, 53.3% catching

career
Celek - 56 catches, 678 yards, 6 tds
McD - 64 catches, 866 yards, 7 tds

for a 2nd rounder the team traded up to get Vance has been as good as an undrafted backup TE.

great

We're talking drop rates and I'm just saying who's currently on the roster, that's all my man. 3 current TEs on this roster were worse last yr then him...I like what I'm hearing about kittle. Him, Vance, and one of the three left sounds fine to me this year

Originally posted by SoCold:
yeah and? Paulsen and Celek were undrafted and Bell was a 4th rounder.

2016
Celek - 50 targets, 29 catches, 5 drops, 58% catching
McD - 45 targets, 24 catches, 4 drops, 53.3% catching

career
Celek - 56 catches, 678 yards, 6 tds
McD - 64 catches, 866 yards, 7 tds

for a 2nd rounder the team traded up to get Vance has been as good as an undrafted backup TE.

great

Wow, those are harsh statistics. The only thing I can say in his defense is that he's played with a QB that doesn't throw the most catchable ball and that his Offensive Coordinators for the last 3 years were bottom feeders. But I can see him not making the final 53 if you look at those historical stats and he does not play well in this next pre-season. ShalaLynch has already tried to trade the guy, but it seems a lot of GM's are leery of the guy already that they couldn't get the trade done. The TE in the WCO is primarily a receiver and on occasion blocks - John Frank, Brent Jones, Russ Francis are great examples. If Vance does not significantly improve his receiving performance in pre-season - I just don't see him fitting in Kyle's system, despite the fact that he has very good speed and is a very good run blocker.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
So how many yards from Vance does it take to be a successful season. Also, y'all think Lynchahan are lying that they had a trade for Vance but decided to pass cause the compensation wasn't worth it?

yards don't really mean much when you only have 24 catches and 4 drops.

Logan Paulsen, Garrett Celek, and Blake Bell had a higher drop rate then him last yr.

yeah and? Paulsen and Celek were undrafted and Bell was a 4th rounder.

2016
Celek - 50 targets, 29 catches, 5 drops, 58% catching
McD - 45 targets, 24 catches, 4 drops, 53.3% catching

career
Celek - 56 catches, 678 yards, 6 tds
McD - 64 catches, 866 yards, 7 tds

for a 2nd rounder the team traded up to get Vance has been as good as an undrafted backup TE.

great

We're talking drop rates and I'm just saying who's currently on the roster, that's all my man. 3 current TEs on this roster were worse last yr then him...I like what I'm hearing about kittle. Him, Vance, and one of the three left sounds fine to me this year

You started talking about drop rates. I just said he's bad. 4 drops with 24 catches is horrible. Just because Celek had one more drop doesn't mean he's worse than Vance at catching. 58% is better than 53% lol

Vance was supposed to be a #1 stud TE and we got an avg guy.

Originally posted by SoCold:

You started talking about drop rates. I just said he's bad. 4 drops with 24 catches is horrible. Just because Celek had one more drop doesn't mean he's worse than Vance at catching. 58% is better than 53% lol

Vance was supposed to be a #1 stud TE and we got an avg guy.

I'm looking at who's on our roster and there's three TEs that are worse, if we're talking about dropped balls. I agree he hasn't played to his potential. I also think he'd do better in a offense that actually used him with a real life QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

You started talking about drop rates. I just said he's bad. 4 drops with 24 catches is horrible. Just because Celek had one more drop doesn't mean he's worse than Vance at catching. 58% is better than 53% lol

Vance was supposed to be a #1 stud TE and we got an avg guy.

I'm looking at who's on our roster and there's three TEs that are worse, if we're talking about dropped balls. I agree he hasn't played to his potential. I also think he'd do better in a offense that actually used him with a real life QB.

LMAO...spot on.

Originally posted by SoCold:
You started talking about drop rates. I just said he's bad. 4 drops with 24 catches is horrible. Just because Celek had one more drop doesn't mean he's worse than Vance at catching. 58% is better than 53% lol

Vance was supposed to be a #1 stud TE and we got an avg guy.

Drop rates are calculated by dividing drops by catchable passes, not targets.

For 2016:

McDonald - 3 / 27 = 11.1%
Celek - 5 / 34 = 14.7%
Paulson - 1 / 4 = 25%
Bell - 2 / 6 = 33%

Although drops are a factor, catch percentage is usually more on the QB than the receiver, because there are a lot more uncatchable passes than drops in a season. If you look teams like the Bills and Browns, who have inaccurate QBs - even receivers with great drop rates have some of the worst catch percentages in the league.

Oh it all makes sense. SoOld is a Harbaugh guy and still bitter about him gone.

Do you offer any good posts around here besides trying to derail positivity and optimism... How sad.

Hard to imagine, but we could see a roster without, Hyde, Bowman, or Lynch.....or without all three! Its a new dawn in Ninerland.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Hard to imagine, but we could see a roster without, Hyde, Bowman, or Lynch.....or without all three! Its a new dawn in Ninerland.

...and McDonald...literally, our only play maker last year.

It probably won't happen but those guys are on notice for sure.

Originally posted by cwilson830:

Originally posted by SoCold:
You started talking about drop rates. I just said he's bad. 4 drops with 24 catches is horrible. Just because Celek had one more drop doesn't mean he's worse than Vance at catching. 58% is better than 53% lol

Vance was supposed to be a #1 stud TE and we got an avg guy.

Drop rates are calculated by dividing drops by catchable passes, not targets.

For 2016:

McDonald - 3 / 27 = 11.1%
Celek - 5 / 34 = 14.7%
Paulson - 1 / 4 = 25%
Bell - 2 / 6 = 33%

Although drops are a factor, catch percentage is usually more on the QB than the receiver, because there are a lot more uncatchable passes than drops in a season. If you look teams like the Bills and Browns, who have inaccurate QBs - even receivers with great drop rates have some of the worst catch percentages in the league.

You can butter up the stats any way you want. Vance's career numbers are about the same as an undrafted backup TE. That's not good. Wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't on the team much longer. That's my point.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Hard to imagine, but we could see a roster without, Hyde, Bowman, or Lynch.....or without all three! Its a new dawn in Ninerland.

no way in hell bowman gets cut. the other two, easily.