Predict 53 man Roster- 2017

Originally posted by NCommand:
Will update as we go...

Note: Base (run defense/first down offense) personnel noted first.

rookie

Offensive Personnel: --- 25
QB: Brian Hoyer; C.J. Beathard & Matt Barkley
RB1: Carlos Hyde; Kapri Bibbs
RB2: Joe Williams; Matt Breida
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk; *George Kittle
TE: Vance McDonald; Logan Paulsen
XWR: Pierre Garçon; Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Jeremy Kerley; Trent Taylor
ZWR: Aldrick Robinson
LOT: Joe Staley
LG: Joshua Garnett; Zane Beadles
C: Jeremy Zuttah; Daniel Kilgore
RG: Brandon Fusco; Tim Barnes
ROT: Trenton Brown; Gary Gilliam

*Offensive Weapon (RB/FB/TE/WR)

Defensive Personnel: --- 25
LDE: *DeForest Bucker
NT: *Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: *Solomon Thomas; *Ronald Blair
RDE: *Arik Armstead
ER/SAM/LEFT END: Elvis Dumervil; Eli Harold
ER/LEO/RIGHT END: Aaron Lynch; Pita Taumoepenu
SAM: Ahmad Brooks; Dekoda Watson
MIKE: Navarro Bowman; Ray-Ray Armstrong
WILL: Malcolm Smith; Reuben Foster
RCB: Dontae Johnson; Ahkello Witherspoon
S/CB: K'Waun Williams; Will Redmond
LCB: Rashard Robinson
FS: Jimmie Ward; Lorenzo Jerome
SS: Eric Reid; Jaquiski Tartt

* Interior Rushers / ER = Edge Rushers

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion

PR/KOR: Jeremy Kerley & Trent Taylor; Kapri Bibbs

Practice Squad: --- 10
QB Nick Mullens (UDFA)
T/G Erik Magnuson (UDFA)
G J.P. Flynn (UDFA)
FB Tyler McCloskey (UDFA)
TE Cole Hikutini (UDFA)
YWR/KR Victor Bolden (UDFA)
ZWR Kendrick Bourne (UDFA)
ZWR B.J. Johnson (UDFA)
ER/SAM Jimmie Gilbert (UDFA)
ER Noble Nwachuckwu (UDFA)

As of today, this is how I see it; note the differences between base (running downs) personnel and nickel/dime (pass rushing downs) personnel.

There will be some changes if Foster proves to be 100% healthy...Malcolm Smith will most likely not be riding the pine with that contract, IMHO. They will most likely carve out a base role for him at SAM and let Elvis rush on passing downs. Brooks? Harold?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Will update as we go...

Note: Base (run defense/first down offense) personnel noted first.

rookie

Offensive Personnel: --- 25
QB: Brian Hoyer; C.J. Beathard & Matt Barkley
RB1: Carlos Hyde; Kapri Bibbs
RB2: Joe Williams; Matt Breida
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk; *George Kittle
TE: Vance McDonald; Logan Paulsen
XWR: Pierre Garçon; Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Jeremy Kerley; Trent Taylor
ZWR: Aldrick Robinson
LOT: Joe Staley
LG: Joshua Garnett; Zane Beadles
C: Jeremy Zuttah; Daniel Kilgore
RG: Brandon Fusco; Tim Barnes
ROT: Trenton Brown; Gary Gilliam

*Offensive Weapon (RB/FB/TE/WR)

Defensive Personnel: --- 25
LDE: *DeForest Bucker
NT: *Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: *Solomon Thomas; *Ronald Blair
RDE: *Arik Armstead
ER/SAM/LEFT END: Elvis Dumervil; Eli Harold
ER/LEO/RIGHT END: Aaron Lynch; Pita Taumoepenu
SAM: Ahmad Brooks; Dekoda Watson
MIKE: Navarro Bowman; Ray-Ray Armstrong
WILL: Malcolm Smith; Reuben Foster
RCB: Dontae Johnson; Ahkello Witherspoon
S/CB: K'Waun Williams; Will Redmond
LCB: Rashard Robinson
FS: Jimmie Ward; Lorenzo Jerome
SS: Eric Reid; Jaquiski Tartt

* Interior Rushers / ER = Edge Rushers

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion

PR/KOR: Jeremy Kerley & Trent Taylor; Kapri Bibbs

Practice Squad: --- 10
QB Nick Mullens (UDFA)
T/G Erik Magnuson (UDFA)
G J.P. Flynn (UDFA)
FB Tyler McCloskey (UDFA)
TE Cole Hikutini (UDFA)
YWR/KR Victor Bolden (UDFA)
ZWR Kendrick Bourne (UDFA)
ZWR B.J. Johnson (UDFA)
ER/SAM Jimmie Gilbert (UDFA)
ER Noble Nwachuckwu (UDFA)

As of today, this is how I see it; note the differences between base (running downs) personnel and nickel/dime (pass rushing downs) personnel.

There will be some changes if Foster proves to be 100% healthy...Malcolm Smith will most likely not be riding the pine with that contract, IMHO. They will most likely carve out a base role for him at SAM and let Elvis rush on passing downs. Brooks? Harold?

My personal changes.

In:

TE Cole Hikutini
MLB Brock Coyle
FS Don Jones

Out:

OL Tim Barnes
TE Vance McDonald
OLB Eli Harold

Also I can see Will Davis possibly getting a spot over Johnson.

My Projected 53 Man Roster right now:

1. QB 2 Brian Hoyer
2. QB 7 Matt Barkley
3. QB 3 C.J. Beathard
4. RB 28 Carlos Hyde
5. RB 32 Joe Williams
6. RB 22 Tim Hightower
7. RB 26 Kapri Bibbs
8. FB 44 Kyle Juszczyk
9. WR 15 Pierre Garcon
10. WR 11 Marquise Goodwin
11. WR 17 Jeremy Kerley
12. WR 19 Aldrick Robinson
13. WR 81 Trent Taylor
14. TE 82 Logan Paulsen
15. TE 85 George Kittle
16. TE 46 Cole Hikutini
17. C 58 Jeremy Zuttah
18. C 67 Daniel Kilgore
19. LG 68 Zane Beadles
20. RG 65 Joshua Garnett
21. OG 63 Brandon Fusco
22. LT 74 Joe Staley
23. RT 77 Trent Brown
24. RT 76 Garry Gilliam
25. DE 94 Solomon Thomas
26. DE 91 Arik Armstead
27. DE – Elvis Dumervil
28. DE 45 Pita Taumopenu
29. DT 99 DeForest Buckner
30. DT 98 Ronald Blair
31. NT 90 Earl Mitchell
32. NT 96 D.J. Jones
33. OLB 51 Malcolm Smith
34. OLB 55 Ahmad Brooks
35. OLB 56 Reuben Foster
36. OLB 54 Ray-Ray Armstrong
37. OLB 97 Dekoda Watson
38. MLB 53 NaVorro Bowman
39. MLB 50 Brock Coyle
40. CB 33 Rashard Robinson
41. CB 41 Ahkello Witherspoon
42. CB 24 K'Wuan Williams
43. CB 36 Donate Johnson
44. CB 23 Will Redmond
45. FS 25 Jimmie Ward
46. FS 20 Don Jones
47. FS 48 Lorenzo Jerome
48. SS 35 Eric Reid
49. SS 29 Jaquiski Tartt
50. PK 9 Robbie Gould
51. P 5 Bradley Pinion
52. LS 86 Kyle Nelson

Returning Players in 2017:

1. RB Hyde
2. WR Kerley
3. C Kilgore
4. LG Beadles
5. RG Garnett
6. LT Staley
7. RT Brown
8. DE Armstead
9. DT Buckner
10. DT Blair
11. OLB Brooks
12. OLB Armstrong
13. MLB Bowman
14. CB Robinson
15. CB Johnson
16. CB Redmond (IR)
17. FS Ward
18. SS Reid
19. SS Tartt
20. P Pinion
21. LS Nelson

New Players in 2017:

1. QB Hoyer
2. QB Barkley
3. QB Beathard
4. RB Williams
5. RB Hightower
6. RB Bibbs
7. FB Juszcyzk
8. WR Garcon
9. WR Goodwin
10. WR Robinson
11. WR Taylor
12. TE Paulsen
13. TE Kittle
14. TE Hikutini
15. C Zuttah
16. OG Fusco
17. RT Gilliam
18. DE Dumervil
19. DE Taumopenu
20. NT Mitchell
21. NT Jones
22. OLB Smith
23. OLB Foster
24. OLB Watson
25. MLB Coyle
26. CB Witherspoon
27. CB Williams
28. FS Jones
29. FS Jerome
30. PK Gould

For the 53rd spot, I'm unsure, I can see a guy like Will Davis making it, or a WR or another back like Breida, or a possible FA signee, if Jeremy Maclin somehow were to sign here, I doubt it happens though, he'd be the 53rd player on my roster, and we have 31 new players in 2017, compared to 21 returning players.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
My personal changes.

In:

TE Cole Hikutini
MLB Brock Coyle
FS Don Jones

Out:

OL Tim Barnes
TE Vance McDonald
OLB Eli Harold

Also I can see Will Davis possibly getting a spot over Johnson.

Wow, an UDFA TE over McDonald? Man, that would be very telling in terms of what direction Kyle wants to go and this could happen with a new regime. Yeah, given our injury history with OL, I doubt we only keep 8...big risk there esp. for OL who will be on the move and more susceptible to injury. But also, possible. Same concept with Harold...if Saleh decides to only keep four edge rushers in Elvis Dumervil, Aaron Lynch, Pita Taumoepenu & Ahmad Brooks, Harold could certainly be replaced by a ST player like you noted (Coyle or Jones), albeit, Harold plays ST as well. Those two ST players at the 52 and 53 spots are always a tough balancing act. Contracts are pretty minuscule/even back there so the balance is how much do they really add on ST and can they really add true depth to a position group? And with only 46 players active, are either really going to push someone off the game day roster? Tough calls.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow, an UDFA TE over McDonald? Man, that would be very telling in terms of what direction Kyle wants to go and this could happen with a new regime. Yeah, given our injury history with OL, I doubt we only keep 8...big risk there esp. for OL who will be on the move and more susceptible to injury. But also, possible. Same concept with Harold...if Saleh decides to only keep four edge rushers in Elvis Dumervil, Aaron Lynch, Pita Taumoepenu & Ahmad Brooks, Harold could certainly be replaced by a ST player like you noted (Coyle or Jones), albeit, Harold plays ST as well. Those two ST players at the 52 and 53 spots are always a tough balancing act. Contracts are pretty minuscule/even back there so the balance is how much do they really add on ST and can they really add true depth to a position group? And with only 46 players active, are either really going to push someone off the game day roster? Tough calls.

I like Hikutini's potential more than keeping Vance, I'd rather release him this year, and take 2 years dead money, save a little this year, and $1.8M next year, but all of his 2019-2021 salary cap number. Plus I don't see Hikutini clearing waivers to get to the PS, he got $110K GTD as a UDFA.

I don't think you sign players in the first few days of FA as a new HC/GM to only cut them a few months later, they coveted Coyle and Jones IMO, which is why they are locks IMO. Same for Watson.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I like Hikutini's potential more than keeping Vance, I'd rather release him this year, and take 2 years dead money, save a little this year, and $1.8M next year, but all of his 2019-2021 salary cap number. Plus I don't see Hikutini clearing waivers to get to the PS, he got $110K GTD as a UDFA.

I don't think you sign players in the first few days of FA as a new HC/GM to only cut them a few months later, they coveted Coyle and Jones IMO, which is why they are locks IMO. Same for Watson.

Yeah, the Hikutini vs. McDonald topic is a great one to be had b/c you've got Paulsen who's already versed in the run blocking scheme Kyle will run and has decent hands. Juszczyk & Kittle will get an ton of snaps as the OW. So then it's down to youth and contracts and upside and who fits the offense best (and who can pick it up the quickest).

Ahhh, but we signed Malcolm Smith and ended up upgrading with Foster. We have since added more players which is why I don't read into Coyle and Jones too much; we didn't have any players back then. And as ST players, I'm sure both knew they were brought in knowing this is where they need to REALLY shine to make the roster (now). Guys like Harold have been playing ST since day 1 too. Watson is a tad different in that Saleh loves him for depth/competition at SAM and can also play ST as well. Can Jones or Coyle really add to a position group while being monsters on ST?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I like Hikutini's potential more than keeping Vance, I'd rather release him this year, and take 2 years dead money, save a little this year, and $1.8M next year, but all of his 2019-2021 salary cap number. Plus I don't see Hikutini clearing waivers to get to the PS, he got $110K GTD as a UDFA.

I don't think you sign players in the first few days of FA as a new HC/GM to only cut them a few months later, they coveted Coyle and Jones IMO, which is why they are locks IMO. Same for Watson.

Yeah, the Hikutini vs. McDonald topic is a great one to be had b/c you've got Paulsen who's already versed in the run blocking scheme Kyle will run and has decent hands. Juszczyk & Kittle will get an ton of snaps as the OW. So then it's down to youth and contracts and upside and who fits the offense best (and who can pick it up the quickest).

Ahhh, but we signed Malcolm Smith and ended up upgrading with Foster. We have since added more players which is why I don't read into Coyle and Jones too much; we didn't have any players back then. And as ST players, I'm sure both knew they were brought in knowing this is where they need to REALLY shine to make the roster (now). Guys like Harold have been playing ST since day 1 too. Watson is a tad different in that Saleh loves him for depth/competition at SAM and can also play ST as well. Can Jones or Coyle really add to a position group while being monsters on ST?

People said the same about Blake Costanzo a few years back, said he couldn't play LB so why keep him, then he was a great ST standout, which Jones and Coyle have been since coming into the league.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
People said the same about Blake Costanzo a few years back, said he couldn't play LB so why keep him, then he was a great ST standout, which Jones and Coyle have been since coming into the league.

No question. I have Watson as a lock. And if Jones and Coyle just kill it on ST, their "value" could end up being higher than a position group player who "happens to play ST." So someone like Harold may be out...or Lorenzo Jones. It may come down to how much the ST coach can bang the tables for them.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I like Hikutini's potential more than keeping Vance, I'd rather release him this year, and take 2 years dead money, save a little this year, and $1.8M next year, but all of his 2019-2021 salary cap number. Plus I don't see Hikutini clearing waivers to get to the PS, he got $110K GTD as a UDFA.

I don't think you sign players in the first few days of FA as a new HC/GM to only cut them a few months later, they coveted Coyle and Jones IMO, which is why they are locks IMO. Same for Watson.

Yeah, the Hikutini vs. McDonald topic is a great one to be had b/c you've got Paulsen who's already versed in the run blocking scheme Kyle will run and has decent hands. Juszczyk & Kittle will get an ton of snaps as the OW. So then it's down to youth and contracts and upside and who fits the offense best (and who can pick it up the quickest).

Ahhh, but we signed Malcolm Smith and ended up upgrading with Foster. We have since added more players which is why I don't read into Coyle and Jones too much; we didn't have any players back then. And as ST players, I'm sure both knew they were brought in knowing this is where they need to REALLY shine to make the roster (now). Guys like Harold have been playing ST since day 1 too. Watson is a tad different in that Saleh loves him for depth/competition at SAM and can also play ST as well. Can Jones or Coyle really add to a position group while being monsters on ST?

People said the same about Blake Costanzo a few years back, said he couldn't play LB so why keep him, then he was a great ST standout, which Jones and Coyle have been since coming into the league.

Coyle only has a chance if Foster starts out on IR IMO. Foster,Bow,Smith,Ray-Ray,Coyle,Brooks,Watson is your LB group?
I think when you do have a new team, you dish out some small money as insurance in case you don't end up upgrading through the draft and faze two of free agency when teams start making hard cuts or try to open up cap space. That's why IMO, we brought in some guys like Paulsen and Coyle, guys that can help teach the system and we can cut later when making 53 man cuts cause they're just not good enough.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Will update as we go...

Note: Base (run defense/first down offense) personnel noted first. This is where I project players will be the majority of their snaps noting that nickel/dime and sub packages will be plenty.

rookie

Offensive Personnel: --- 25
QB: Brian Hoyer; C.J. Beathard & Matt Barkley
RB1: Carlos Hyde; Kapri Bibbs
RB2: Joe Williams; Matt Breida
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk; *George Kittle
TE: Vance McDonald; Logan Paulsen
XWR: Pierre Garçon; Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Jeremy Kerley; Trent Taylor
ZWR: Aldrick Robinson
LOT: Joe Staley
LG: Joshua Garnett; Zane Beadles
C: Jeremy Zuttah; Daniel Kilgore
RG: Brandon Fusco; Tim Barnes
ROT: Trenton Brown; Gary Gilliam

*Offensive Weapon (RB/FB/TE/WR)

Defensive Personnel: --- 25
LDE: *DeForest Bucker; Tank Carradine
NT: *Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: *Solomon Thomas; *Ronald Blair
RDE: *Arik Armstead
ER/SAM/LEFT END: Aaron Lynch; Eli Harold
ER/LEO/RIGHT END: Elvis Dumervil
SAM: Ahmad Brooks; Dekoda Watson
MIKE: Navarro Bowman; Ray-Ray Armstrong
WILL: Malcolm Smith; Reuben Foster
RCB: Dontae Johnson; Ahkello Witherspoon
S/CB: K'Waun Williams; Will Redmond
LCB: Rashard Robinson
FS: Jimmie Ward; Lorenzo Jerome
SS: Eric Reid; Jaquiski Tartt

* Interior Rushers / ER = Edge Rushers

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion

PR/KOR: Jeremy Kerley & Trent Taylor; Kapri Bibbs

Practice Squad: --- 10
QB Nick Mullens (UDFA)
T/G Erik Magnuson (UDFA)
G J.P. Flynn (UDFA)
FB Tyler McCloskey (UDFA)
TE Cole Hikutini (UDFA)
YWR/KR Victor Bolden (UDFA)
ZWR Kendrick Bourne (UDFA)
ZWR B.J. Johnson (UDFA)
ER/LEO Pita Taumoepenu (6TH ROUND)
ER/SAM Jimmie Gilbert (UDFA)

With the Elvis signing and splitting time with AA at LEO, it moves Pita to the PS, Tank gets added back in (Saleh loves his pass rush from the big end side) and the big one, Lynch moves back to the strong side to compete with Brooks and Harold at the SAM in competition for a 3 down role or situational pass rusher / base run defender (like the LEO with AA/Elvis).

Two surprise cuts: Quinton Dial & Chris Jones

Bye-bye in pre season watson .

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Bye-bye in pre season watson .

Another possibility.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Bye-bye in pre season watson .

Another possibility.

How many LB you think we keep?

Smith,Ray-Ray,Foster,Bow,Brooks,Harold is 6 already. Elvis/Lynch combined can count as another body. Gilbert is making a push as well.

Just no way he makes it. Especially with Coyle around who I don't see it making it either.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Bye-bye in pre season watson .

Another possibility.

How many LB you think we keep?

Smith,Ray-Ray,Foster,Bow,Brooks,Harold is 6 already. Elvis/Lynch combined can count as another body. Gilbert is making a push as well.

Just no way he makes it. Especially with Coyle around who I don't see it making it either.

To me, it isn't so much about the LB position, as it is their assignments within the positon. I see the DL the same way.

So, if a player dominates at stopping the run, he's on the 53. If he dominates as an interior or edge rusher, he's on the 53.

Those are Saleh's 2 biggest needs.

So, for now, I see the following strengths:

Run Stuffers: DeForest Bucker, D.J. Jones, Earl Mitchell, Solomon Thomas & Arik Armstead
Interior Pass Rushers: DeForest Bucker, Tank Carradine, Earl Mitchell, Solomon Thomas, Ronald Blair & Arik Armstead
Edge Rushers: Aaron Lynch, Eli Harold, Elvis Dumervil & Ahmad Brooks

It looks like we have plenty of run stuffers and interior rushers so this is where you hope a guy like Pita or Gilbert shine and push either Tank or Blair off the 53.

Lynch has continued to upgrade the roster as the season has progressed and guys they signed early may struggle to find a spot. Competition has increased and folks like Pita, may be destined for PS.