49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Excellent and short article on KS's approach and plan.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/4/5/17204618/the-san-francisco-mosquito-squad

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:
but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

Yes the 49ers should always play with a big lead that way they don't need to throw at all. Too bad all games start 0-0.

lol great rebuttal to a "play to not lose a game" post , Th

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:
but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

Yes the 49ers should always play with a big lead that way they don't need to throw at all. Too bad all games start 0-0.

Also, the key to winning football games is to not lose them. If you lose them, you won't win many games.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Excellent and short article on KS's approach and plan.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/4/5/17204618/the-san-francisco-mosquito-squad

If people pay attention,it's obvious what he's trying to do. Put a lot of pressure on the LB with quickness and speed. They have to diagnose, run, cover, make the tackle, on both horizontal and vertical stretch, and stop the run game also. That's a lot of load. It forces the DB to come up and support. Thus susceptible to big play deep downfield when dial up at the right time. Not unlike what Walsh was doing in the 80's, attacking the LB and DB with Rice, Taylor, Craig, and a few TE including Jones.

He's also redefining the line of scrimmage with more athletic OLIne. At the snap of the ball on run plays, the line no longer has to be in front of the Dline. He's getting guys that are athletic on the line that can move out around, or run past, seal up the edge against the Dline, and reform into a blocking line against LB and DB.

It makes a lot od sense. Why go through the DLine when you can have guys move around and past them and then form at the second level against smaller guys. People are in love with Jimmy and the passing game, but it's actually the running game of Kyle that can potentially be very exciting

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:
but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

Yes the 49ers should always play with a big lead that way they don't need to throw at all. Too bad all games start 0-0.

Also, the key to winning football games is to not lose them. If you lose them, you won't win many games.

I have this framed on my wall!

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:

but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

The 49ers can't realistically be accused of drafting OL, and more OL, and still more OL. We had a very poor line last year. No one that I have seen is suggesting that we just draft OL. To suggest that the best way to protect a qb is to have the D protect a big lead is simplistic and flawed. How are you going to get this big lead without a decent line?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by NCommand:
816 will especially love this thread.

Aside from their QB, a big reason 49ers fans can be excited is because of Kyle Shanahan. Here's a thread:

— Johnny Kinsley (@Brickwallblitz) April 3, 2018

Good read.

Shanny won me over. I like him a lot.

Nice! Being a football fan is way more fun this way.

Allowing us to focus primarily on defense #2018NFLdraft

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:
but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

The 49ers can't realistically be accused of drafting OL, and more OL, and still more OL. We had a very poor line last year. No one that I have seen is suggesting that we just draft OL. To suggest that the best way to protect a qb is to have the D protect a big lead is simplistic and flawed. How are you going to get this big lead without a decent line?

This

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

We need both options!

We need a top flight OL to open up holes for the running game and to protect our FQB.

If we're one dimensional - we're toast.

The Walsh 49ers are the model in that regard.

They could run, pass - whatever was called for.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:
but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

The 49ers can't realistically be accused of drafting OL, and more OL, and still more OL. We had a very poor line last year. No one that I have seen is suggesting that we just draft OL. To suggest that the best way to protect a qb is to have the D protect a big lead is simplistic and flawed. How are you going to get this big lead without a decent line?

You're English so surely you understand hyperbole well enough not to completely miss the point. the o-line was a major concern last season and needed further attention this off-season.

But does building what you call a decent line require an influx of Baalke-style maulers? if what we saw in FA is any evidence of what shanny has in mind--Richburg and Cooper--then guys like Nelson and Hernandez may not be on the Niners board at all.

Giedi's post simply offers an explanation of an alternative component to a plan for protecting JG that doesn't involve simply outweighing your opponent on the o-line. Just a big-picture alternative point of view to consider, imho.

remember, shanny's offense was able to score a lot of points with JG at the helm, even with a subpar o-line last season--one that included Kilgore, Fusco and Beadles. With an o-line more tailored to shanny's scheme, shouldn't JG continue to be able to score and build leads?

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We need both options!

We need a top flight OL to open up holes for the running game and to protect our FQB.

If we're one dimensional - we're toast.

The Walsh 49ers are the model in that regard.

They could run, pass - whatever was called for.

I agree.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Excellent and short article on KS's approach and plan.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/4/5/17204618/the-san-francisco-mosquito-squad

If people pay attention,it's obvious what he's trying to do. Put a lot of pressure on the LB with quickness and speed. They have to diagnose, run, cover, make the tackle, on both horizontal and vertical stretch, and stop the run game also. That's a lot of load. It forces the DB to come up and support. Thus susceptible to big play deep downfield when dial up at the right time. Not unlike what Walsh was doing in the 80's, attacking the LB and DB with Rice, Taylor, Craig, and a few TE including Jones.

He's also redefining the line of scrimmage with more athletic OLIne. At the snap of the ball on run plays, the line no longer has to be in front of the Dline. He's getting guys that are athletic on the line that can move out around, or run past, seal up the edge against the Dline, and reform into a blocking line against LB and DB.

It makes a lot od sense. Why go through the DLine when you can have guys move around and past them and then form at the second level against smaller guys. People are in love with Jimmy and the passing game, but it's actually the running game of Kyle that can potentially be very exciting

well-stated.

I could have dropped this in the JG thread too, but the breakdown of the play designs in this video seemed like a good Shanahan spotlight.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Giedi:
but just my opinion, the best way to protect a QB is the defense protecting a big lead and QB has to operate his 4 minute offense. It's rare for a QB to get injured handing off to an RB as he plays keep away protecting a lead.

another excellent football knowledge post!

those insisting that the only way to protect JG is to draft OL--and more OL--and still more OL--should stop and consider what you say here. imho.

The 49ers can't realistically be accused of drafting OL, and more OL, and still more OL. We had a very poor line last year. No one that I have seen is suggesting that we just draft OL. To suggest that the best way to protect a qb is to have the D protect a big lead is simplistic and flawed. How are you going to get this big lead without a decent line?

You're English so surely you understand hyperbole well enough not to completely miss the point. the o-line was a major concern last season and needed further attention this off-season.

But does building what you call a decent line require an influx of Baalke-style maulers? if what we saw in FA is any evidence of what shanny has in mind--Richburg and Cooper--then guys like Nelson and Hernandez may not be on the Niners board at all.

Giedi's post simply offers an explanation of an alternative component to a plan for protecting JG that doesn't involve simply outweighing your opponent on the o-line. Just a big-picture alternative point of view to consider, imho.

remember, shanny's offense was able to score a lot of points with JG at the helm, even with a subpar o-line last season--one that included Kilgore, Fusco and Beadles. With an o-line more tailored to shanny's scheme, shouldn't JG continue to be able to score and build leads?

Exactly. He had some decent leads despite a lack of talent last year. And yes - you do both. Im just wary of folks who just think in only one dimension.

Improving the run game help protect Jimmy too. The defense has to stay home and defend the runs, not coming after Jimmy exclusively in the passing game. They have to hold off their pass rushing aggression to defend the run.

Shanny getting more talent to the OLine and people immediately think to pass protect Jimmy, but it's actually for improving the run game too.