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Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I don't subscribe to this view because it falls short of explaining the beating we took at home against a division rival with the number 1 seed on the line. You're telling me their guys showed up more hyped for that game than our guys, yet that mindset difference won't carry on into future matchups?

It also just feels like a cop out to point to something so amorphous as the primary difference. Sure, momentum matters, but I think it can be (and is) simultaneously true that they have the advantage in talent, age, and scheme (at least on the defensive side of the ball). To disregard those advantages and attribute the beatings to momentum seems awfully optimistic, and I don't share that view.

I guess we'll find out because we get to play them twice a year at least. I expect the beatings to continue for a couple seasons but will gladly own it if we do hang with them.

Edit: I acknowledge that injuries played a major role as well and also have a lot of faith in Shanny (not so much Lynch) to keep us competitive with the broader league. Many factors to consider here.

First, it was nowhere near the beating that happened in Seattle, which is a major crux of my point. As I said, the Niners needed the ball to bounce their way, and when they give up a truly demoralizing opening KOR for a major, that's about as bad a start as one can have given the situation. Playing IN Seattle, when the Hawks have a strong defensive front, is a major advantage as I've explained. Second, I didn't say it was the 'only' reason, but that hype/adrenalin is a real factor....and clearly it shows when you look at games played in environments that really are major home field advantages.

So you agree your argument doesn't address the beating we took at home? Or do you have a separate argument for that loss? Because that was a f**king beating as well, even if you don't think it was nearly as bad.

I didn't say you identified it as the 'only' difference, but your post gave me the strong impression you think it was the 'primary' difference (as I said in my post). Your analysis really centered on that, seemingly to the exclusion of other factors. I strongly disagree with that take. Yes, Seattle has the ability to snowball leads into blowouts based on building momentum, but talent and scheme often put them in that position in the first place. The kickoff return TD was brutal and fluky in my opinion, and we never had momentum after that. However, even without that kickoff return, I think they still kill us in that game.
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Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
This is the first time I've seen you two go at it lol....


You must have missed the BA thread.

He isn't lying, you and Hoov are usually awesome and chill lol All in good fun though. I agree with your thinking more in this case. I don't see how running out mostly the same players, only a year older...why we should expect different results. Especially o-line. Same for the secondary as another good poster, 9ers4eva points out.

We have a lot of holes to fill. I assume they will draft a pass rusher opposite Bosa. So that leaves us 5 picks to address other areas. Maybe they can trade around and accumulate some more picks. If we roll out the same o-line and safeties it's going to be bumpy.

I mean is it the same team we're rolling out there? Did we forget how much injuries decimated us all over last year, still managing to be one of the better teams out there. I just have a hard time looking at this offseason so far and seeing anything but a miracle in that we were able to address some of our biggest needs with limited resources. A healthy 49ers team playing a healthy Seahawks team is not really so different.

Now we have the draft and whatever other help we bring in through FA. We are far from perfect, but should be among the best teams once again. That's all you can ask for year in year out.

i posit this question to armchair GMs: what exactly would you have done differently to address our manifold needs with a limited budget and draft capital this year?

From where I'm standing WR and interior pass rush were addressed in big ways. I'd argue interior pass rush was our biggest need and when combined with a healthy Bosa, should create the biggest return for our defensive turnaround.

Picking up Evans for a relative bargain gives Brock a HOF target, sorely needed and the type of guy who can break that vaunted Seattle shell.

Now we have some flexibility in the draft and still more needs to be met, so I guess we should see how it plays out, then see how the most season and season play out. It's not out of the ordinary for an oline to stink one year, and then gel the next with even one change, or guys getting healthy or experiencing improvement. I just don't see the point in freaking out right now. In fact, one should be encouraged we've addressed some huge needs already.

This may be the last hurrah before a rebuild, so why not enjoy the ride?

I think they have done very well with this FA. I am not big on overspending in FA, and they always use it to try and fill obvious needs without going bonkers. I believe you maintain a good roster via solid drafting.

My gripe is my usual, the o-line appears to the same or worse depending on what happens with TW and LG. It doesn't matter how open the WR or TE is when a defender is in Purdy's face. (Remember the SB? Folks believe this is why BA lost his damn mind)

Those last two Seattle games were a beating and beating is putting it lightly tbh. The interior was obliterated. I really do not expect different results if they don't upgrade the line. They have not really planned for the o-line at all over the years. It's always patchwork. I am curious what they do in the draft, but I am not holding my breath.

I like the trade for Osa. He is a great addition. I like West and Collins to rotate with him, but we should probably draft another body for the middle as well. We for sure need an edge opposite Bosa. I also don't assume Bosa, Williams, etc will just be their usual selves after serious injuries. Bodies don't get better with age and injury etc..

The secondary is pretty suspect. Lenoir was ok. Green was pretty bad at times, Stout flashed but also made a lot of mistakes as a rookie. Our safeties imo are pretty bad. My hope here is Morris can turn that unit around, but who knows? I think safety needs better talent regardless.

I am not freaking out. I just see myself as being realistic. Why should this last hurrah have a different result, (especially the trenches)? This is my take as of today btw, it's always been what they do in the draft that matters.

Legit take. I largely agree with this. Seattle exploits our biggest weakness (OL), and we haven't done much to improve in that area.
A lot of posts in here and not a single one explaining how this won't happen against next year. The fact that Brock wasn't injured in these games is miraculous in itself. I feel like people forgot how bad it looked or something. Maybe you guys need to see clips from the game again:



Poor Brock.
[ Edited by Heroism on Mar 25, 2026 at 11:22 AM ]
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Legit take. I largely agree with this. Seattle exploits our biggest weakness (OL), and we haven't done much to improve in that area.

In no way shape or form is the OL the 9ers biggest weakness.
If we are only worried about Seattle and want to spend all the picks on shoring up the O line who the hell is gonna cover JSN and Shaheed? Hell we don't even have a safety that can cover AJ Barner.

Putting all the picks on the LoS will not help with the biggest need on the roster. Why a trade down is important. Need more than just lineman.
Pack it up fellas, Seattle has already won it all again next year. Before the draft even. Really impressive stuff from the Seahawks.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Legit take. I largely agree with this. Seattle exploits our biggest weakness (OL), and we haven't done much to improve in that area.

In no way shape or form is the OL the 9ers biggest weakness.

Given the fine moves made in FA, why isn't it?

We addressed WR, pass rush, DB depth, LB. Robert Jones is only a depth piece if the OL is going to be good. With all this, we still can't block DTs that are constantly in Purdy's face and penetrating zone running plays.
Originally posted by dj43:
Given the fine moves made in FA, why isn't it?

We addressed WR, pass rush, DB depth, LB. Robert Jones is only a depth piece if the OL is going to be good. With all this, we still can't block DTs that are constantly in Purdy's face and penetrating zone running plays.

Because we have one functional starter in the secondary. I have concerns about Brendel and Puni but they are objectively far superior to any db not named Lenoir right now.

Our current starting safeties are in the mix for worst starting tandem in the league. Can't tackle or cover. Green was so bad Kyle had to chew his ass out against Seattle. Maybe Sigle and Stout can be players in the league but jury is still very much out.
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
So you agree your argument doesn't address the beating we took at home? Or do you have a separate argument for that loss? Because that was a f**king beating as well, even if you don't think it was nearly as bad.

I didn't say you identified it as the 'only' difference, but your post gave me the strong impression you think it was the 'primary' difference (as I said in my post). Your analysis really centered on that, seemingly to the exclusion of other factors. I strongly disagree with that take. Yes, Seattle has the ability to snowball leads into blowouts based on building momentum, but talent and scheme often put them in that position in the first place. The kickoff return TD was brutal and fluky in my opinion, and we never had momentum after that. However, even without that kickoff return, I think they still kill us in that game.

By the time the Niners/Seahawks met at the end of the season, the Niners roster had been wiped out by injury. There is simply no way around that. The only time they met last year when both teams were similar healthwise, the 49ers beat the Seahawks...IN Seattle. Secondly, you don't seem to put ANY emphasis on hype/momentum/etc....even when I've given examples. Again, all one has to do is look at when SF and Sea were battling a decade plus ago, in 2012 and 2013. The Seahawks completely destroyed SF in Seattle, yet lost both times in San Francisco. Seattle has a major home field advantage, especially night games, and when they can dominate up front defensively. It's a clear advantage at the LOS...a recipe for disaster.

Given that SF brought a pre-season squad to the playoff game....
Originally posted by Chance:
Pack it up fellas, Seattle has already won it all again next year. Before the draft even. Really impressive stuff from the Seahawks.

Go away. Can't stand defeatists.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Chance:
Pack it up fellas, Seattle has already won it all again next year. Before the draft even. Really impressive stuff from the Seahawks.

Go away. Can't stand defeatists.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, lol.

My post was very much tongue in cheek.
Originally posted by English:
Go away. Can't stand defeatists.

He's being sarcastic
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by dj43:
Given the fine moves made in FA, why isn't it?

We addressed WR, pass rush, DB depth, LB. Robert Jones is only a depth piece if the OL is going to be good. With all this, we still can't block DTs that are constantly in Purdy's face and penetrating zone running plays.

Because we have one functional starter in the secondary. I have concerns about Brendel and Puni but they are objectively far superior to any db not named Lenoir right now.

Our current starting safeties are in the mix for worst starting tandem in the league. Can't tackle or cover. Green was so bad Kyle had to chew his ass out against Seattle. Maybe Sigle and Stout can be players in the league but jury is still very much out.

I agree improved Safety play is important. However, we have two young guys (Sigle and Mustapha) back there that have shown promise but limited by injuries. They have physical tools but need time and training. Brown is good in run support but needs better cover skills.

What we need is a true Free Safety type. Our problem is we have all Strong Safeties (like John Lynch). We need a ball hawk back there. There are a couple in the draft.

CB is not a disaster but need better coaching, IMO. Lenoir had a down year. Green didn't continue development (injury?) like we hoped. Stout showed excellent progress as a rookie but mad rookie mistakes.

In summary, yes, go after secondary help. It is a strong need. I believe OSA and Greenlaw, along with a healthy Warner, will relieve sum pressure on the secondary and allow it to play better. I just don't see that need as as great a need as the OL where we saw CMC shut down so often and Purdy with pressure in his face to often it changed the entire offense.
Originally posted by dj43:
I agree improved Safety play is important. However, we have two young guys (Sigle and Mustapha) back there that have shown promise but limited by injuries. They have physical tools but need time and training. Brown is good in run support but needs better cover skills.

What we need is a true Free Safety type. Our problem is we have all Strong Safeties (like John Lynch). We need a ball hawk back there. There are a couple in the draft.

CB is not a disaster but need better coaching, IMO. Lenoir had a down year. Green didn't continue development (injury?) like we hoped. Stout showed excellent progress as a rookie but mad rookie mistakes.

In summary, yes, go after secondary help. It is a strong need. I believe OSA and Greenlaw, along with a healthy Warner, will relieve sum pressure on the secondary and allow it to play better. I just don't see that need as as great a need as the OL where we saw CMC shut down so often and Purdy with pressure in his face to often it changed the entire offense.

Mustspha is awful in coverage. Hes not gonna get any better imo. Be great if Sigle turns into something but I don't see that being any different than hoping Colby does. Brown is also an awful tackler. Bad Lb and S play is the reason we couldn't get stops against Seattle in run game.

I don't remember Purdy facing so much pressure in his face against Philly and their d line. I do remember Mustapha being abused by Goedert though.

9ers have 4 functional starters on the O line and 1 1/2 in the secondary counting Stout. I just don't see how it's even particularly close.

9ers can't cover JSN or Shaheed any better than they can block Leonard Williams. Problem is the dbs can't cover mediocre Titans or Saints receivers either.
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Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of posts in here and not a single one explaining how this won't happen against next year. The fact that Brock wasn't injured in these games is miraculous in itself. I feel like people forgot how bad it looked or something. Maybe you guys need to see clips from the game again:



Poor Brock.

Brock will end up Injured again at some point If Kyle and Lynch continue to neglect the OL.
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