49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Heroism:
Man, I don't see how the 49ers can do enough in the draft to overcome this. They're going to be basically running out the same unit next season except a year older, a year slower. The left guard will be different, but every single other player from the OL to the FB, all of whom had their ASS WHOOPED, will be starting. I mean straight up belt to ass beatdowns across the board. Shanny better be reverse engineering MacDonald's scheme and cooking up ways to break his rules because they're going to maintain a gaping talent advantage again next season.

You have a functional brain.

Congratulations. You are one a kind around here

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Chance:
I hope we get a C somewhere that can push Brendel.

Puni was for sure impacted by the knee, he was atrocious early, and graded out better as the season progressed, but I don't think he was ever truly healthy.

Trent is a year older and will surely decline further, but should be well above average if healthy.

McKivitz is meh. He's turned into an average starter. Can't have stars everywhere.

As bad as Burford was last year, like worst in the league bad, I think shuffling in a few new guys at least gives us the chance to improve. Jones seems like a guy who could at least do one thing well, and that's not get overpowered in the run game. That's an improvement.

And who knows, maybe we draft a T early and throw him in the competition for RT or LG, as he's groomed to replace Trent?

I am also worried about this unit, but we've had a ton of needs to address this offseason, and have done a pretty good job thus far. This Jones signing should not be looked at as we're just giving up again, but rather that we're giving ourselves a few fresh faces to compete. Optimism is warranted this time of year, my friend.

I'm a realist. I don't see much to be optimistic about in this specific aspect. I watched the tape many times. I saw the vicious beat downs in back-to-back games. I saw MacDonald toying with the 49ers pass protection rules and getting his 4 rushers 1-on-1s against 5 OL. It's going to be the same guys getting mollywhopped next season against Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, Demarcus Lawrence, Uchenna Nwosu, etc. We know the Seahawks will add to the pass rush, too. They always do.

There's no center coming to help. Shanahan has never drafted a center—let alone played a rookie.

It's not just the OL. It's about the entire aspect of the run game. The WRs, TEs and FB. They all got wrecked. Juice getting ragdolled by Emmanwori replays in my head. There are no reasons to believe the 49ers will be better in that area. Kittle will be 33 coming off a big injury; Juice will be 35.... The Seahawks are flat out stronger, nastier and more violent across the board.

The most frustrating part to me is seeing how McVay has successfully positioned himself to compete with Mike MacDonald. He saw the Shanahan killing storm on the horizon. He responded by reconstructing his OL from a smaller, athletic group to massive, hulking wall around Stafford; he fired the previous underperforming OL coach and hired a stud; he evolved his base personnel from 11 to 13 to counter MacDonald's heavy nickel/dime defense. MM wants to stay small? Bet. McVay will then go big and play bully ball.

I don't get a sense of urgency from the 49ers. It seems like they're content to sit on their hands and believe that they simply need to execute better with what they have. The draft is the only reason for optimism, but the signs from their visits and meetings seem to indicate that the Niners are taking an edge or WR early…yikes.

lol Might as well just pack in then . Totally appreciate your football acumen and posts, but this sky is falling, they have no chance because of 2 games between a team that hit its stride and was absolutely rolling and a decimated niner team is not being a realist imo . Teams get their ass kicked, it happens .

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
lol Might as well just pack in then . Totally appreciate your football acumen and posts, but this sky is falling, they have no chance because of 2 games between a team that hit its stride and was absolutely rolling and a decimated niner team is not being a realist imo . Teams get their ass kicked, it happens .

Is the sky falling or am I simply pointing out the obvious? I'd love to hear a real football counter argument and not a reply of sweet nothings with hope and wishful thinking.

You're can try to downplay those games, but those were the worst ass kickings the 49ers have experienced under Kyle Shanahan. In the 9 seasons that Kyle Shanahan has been the head coach of the 49ers, no team has beat the s**t out of the 49ers worse than Seattle in that divisional round.

MacDonald designed his scheme and built his team to beat Shanahan and successfully did so better than anyone has. This goes so many layers deep, too. It's beyond the personnel; it's how Seattle defends motions and hides their coverages; it's how Macdonald takes Shanahan's pass pro rules and breaks them; etc.

I think these are very valid reasons for concern if you're a 49ers' fan.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Is the sky falling or am I simply pointing out the obvious? I'd love to hear a real football counter argument and not a reply of sweet nothings with hope and wishful thinking.

You're can try to downplay those games, but those were the worst ass kickings the 49ers have experienced under Kyle Shanahan. In the 9 seasons that Kyle Shanahan has been the head coach of the 49ers, no team has beat the s**t out of the 49ers worse than Seattle in that divisional round.

MacDonald designed his scheme and built his team to beat Shanahan and successfully did so better than anyone has. This goes so many layers deep, too. It's beyond the personnel; it's how Seattle defends motions and hides their coverages; it's how Macdonald takes Shanahan's pass pro rules and breaks them; etc.

I think these are very valid reasons for concern if you're a 49ers' fan.

I think Evans and Kirk are responses to seattles defense. They can be beaten but you need guys can run precise routes and beat man coverage consistently. All we have is Ricky Pearsall and outside of Week 1 - he had a messed up knee against them.

I am concerned our O line vs their D line but If our offensive weapons stay healthy - i think we will be much more competitive. None of our guys could get open against them and they just bracketed CMC.

Factor in a healthy defense and i think we can do very well against their offense, just need a pass rush and our run stuffers back.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
lol Might as well just pack in then . Totally appreciate your football acumen and posts, but this sky is falling, they have no chance because of 2 games between a team that hit its stride and was absolutely rolling and a decimated niner team is not being a realist imo . Teams get their ass kicked, it happens .

Is the sky falling or am I simply pointing out the obvious? I'd love to hear a real football counter argument and not a reply of sweet nothings with hope and wishful thinking.

You're can try to downplay those games, but those were the worst ass kickings the 49ers have experienced under Kyle Shanahan. In the 9 seasons that Kyle Shanahan has been the head coach of the 49ers, no team has beat the s**t out of the 49ers worse than Seattle in that divisional round.

MacDonald designed his scheme and built his team to beat Shanahan and successfully did so better than anyone has. This goes so many layers deep, too. It's beyond the personnel; it's how Seattle defends motions and hides their coverages; it's how Macdonald takes Shanahan's pass pro rules and breaks them; etc.

I think these are very valid reasons for concern if you're a 49ers' fan.

You are fixated on the rams and Seahawks recent drafts that yielded immediate, big impacts . You are also hyper focused on those last 2 games with the Seahawks . And that's understandable. It's also no different than last offseason when you were fretting that teams like the lions , eagles, packers etc were going to run roughshod over the Niners and everyone else with their revolutionized run games . How'd that work out ? I'm just saying you are operating off a little bit off of emotion here imo . , but we shall see

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You are fixated on the rams and Seahawks recent drafts that yielded immediate, big impacts . You are also hyper focused on those last 2 games with the Seahawks . And that's understandable. It's also no different than last offseason when you were fretting that teams like the lions , eagles, packers etc were going to run roughshod over the Niners and everyone else with their revolutionized run games . How'd that work out ? I'm just saying you are operating off a little bit off of emotion here imo . , but we shall see

Huh? What revolutionized run game? I don't think I even posted much during last offseason.

I think you've mixed me up with someone else.

Also, no counter argument again.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think Evans and Kirk are responses to seattles defense. They can be beaten but you need guys can run precise routes and beat man coverage consistently. All we have is Ricky Pearsall and outside of Week 1 - he had a messed up knee against them.

I am concerned our O line vs their D line but If our offensive weapons stay healthy - i think we will be much more competitive. None of our guys could get open against them and they just bracketed CMC.

Factor in a healthy defense and i think we can do very well against their offense, just need a pass rush and our run stuffers back.

I like those moves. What I don't understand is running it back with 4/5 of the same OL that got wrecked and expecting a different result. Shanny himself said during the Superbowl that beating Seattle starts with running the ball effectively into their light box...but how does that work when it's basically the same group that got pushed around by their DL last year? The plan and the personnel don't match.

One of the main reasons the Rams were able to go punch-for-punch with the Seahawks was their OL. They kept Stafford clean and effectively ran the ball against them(5.2 yards per carry). Why are the 49ers so set on running out the same mediocre ass group? It's pretty damn frustrating.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I like those moves. What I don't understand is running it back with 4/5 of the same OL that got wrecked and expecting a different result. Shanny himself said during the Superbowl that beating Seattle starts with running the ball effectively into their light box...but how does that work when it's basically the same group that got pushed around by their DL last year? The plan and the personnel don't match.

One of the main reasons the Rams were able to go punch-for-punch with the Seahawks was their OL. They kept Stafford clean and effectively ran the ball against them(5.2 yards per carry). Why are the 49ers so set on running out the same mediocre ass group? It's pretty damn frustrating.

Its more frustrating to see a secondary ignored when they couldnt even stop the Titans or Saints let alone the Seahawks. O line on the whole at least performed well in spurts.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You are fixated on the rams and Seahawks recent drafts that yielded immediate, big impacts . You are also hyper focused on those last 2 games with the Seahawks . And that's understandable. It's also no different than last offseason when you were fretting that teams like the lions , eagles, packers etc were going to run roughshod over the Niners and everyone else with their revolutionized run games . How'd that work out ? I'm just saying you are operating off a little bit off of emotion here imo . , but we shall see

Huh? What revolutionized run game? I don't think I even posted much during last offseason.

I think you've mixed me up with someone else.

Also, no counter argument again.

If it's really not you, then you're emotions have you falling into the lemmings group with gushing over the current SB winner and how we can't keep up.. when in reality the 49ers have been at the top longer than most teams and it's the other teams trying to keep up with the 49ers

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You are fixated on the rams and Seahawks recent drafts that yielded immediate, big impacts . You are also hyper focused on those last 2 games with the Seahawks . And that's understandable. It's also no different than last offseason when you were fretting that teams like the lions , eagles, packers etc were going to run roughshod over the Niners and everyone else with their revolutionized run games . How'd that work out ? I'm just saying you are operating off a little bit off of emotion here imo . , but we shall see

Huh? What revolutionized run game? I don't think I even posted much during last offseason.

I think you've mixed me up with someone else.

Also, no counter argument again.

You absolutely did. That was your new flavor of the moment ..,teams like Detroit and Philadelphia run game being the future. Now you've moved on to Seattle and Macdonald's impenetrable defense
Lol counter argument? . Told you Seattle was rolling , Macdonald has a great defensive game plan , Niners got taken to the woodshed and the niners were decimated . You are being emotional because of how the season ended

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You absolutely did. That was your new flavor of the moment ..,teams like Detroit and Philadelphia run game being the future. Now you've moved on to Seattle and Macdonald's impenetrable defense
Lol counter argument? . Told you Seattle was rolling , Macdonald has a great defensive game plan , Niners got taken to the woodshed and the niners were decimated . You are being emotional because of how the season ended

Here's the Eagles' thread. Where did I post about their run game being "revolutionary" or "being the future"? Most of the thread is either me giving them their flowers when they're due or being extremely critical of their trash coaching.

I've sure as hell haven't spent much time on the Lions other than to expose Dan Campbell as another CEO head coach who will fold once his coordinators left(I was right).

Lol you've either mixed me up with someone else or are flat out making up s**t to deflect from the discussion. You guys clearly don't have a coherent or substantive football response to my claims.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
You absolutely did. That was your new flavor of the moment ..,teams like Detroit and Philadelphia run game being the future. Now you've moved on to Seattle and Macdonald's impenetrable defense
Lol counter argument? . Told you Seattle was rolling , Macdonald has a great defensive game plan , Niners got taken to the woodshed and the niners were decimated . You are being emotional because of how the season ended

Here's the Eagles' thread. Where did I post about their run game being "revolutionary" or "being the future"? Most of the thread is either me giving them their flowers when they're due or being extremely critical of their trash coaching.

I've sure as hell haven't spent much time on the Lions other than to expose Dan Campbell as another CEO head coach who will fold once his coordinators left(I was right).

Lol @ making up s**t about me to deflect from the discussion. You guys clearly don't have a coherent or substantive football response to my claims.

Lol Listen , you absolutely were gushing over the new the shift to these powerhouse running games like Det, Phi, GB etc. and how niners were going to get beat down by them and had to acclimate to what was coming…, you lock onto something and that's all you can focus on (I.e Fowler being some elite talent that JAX would never trade) until the next thing pops up . I get that you played some low level college ball and think you know everything. It's very apparent by the constant patting yourself on the back 🤣

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol Listen , you absolutely were gushing over the new the shift to these powerhouse running games like Det, Phi, GB etc. and how niners were going to get beat down by them and had to acclimate to what was coming…, you lock onto something and that's all you can focus on (I.e Fowler being some elite talent that JAX would never trade) until the next thing pops up . I get that you played some low level college ball and think you know everything. It's very apparent by the constant patting yourself on the back 🤣

So no evidence? I figured.

I've discussed all kinds league trends and know for a fact that I've never compared anything happening around the league to what MacDonald did last season because nothing that's transpired in the last decade of football has been specifically designed and built to beating Kyle Shanahan.

The ad hominem was cute, tho.

This is the first time I've seen you two go at it lol....

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
This is the first time I've seen you two go at it lol....

You must have missed the BA thread.