49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

What if scenarios are the theme of this offseason it looks like.

We are pretty much the GOAT hypothetical team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

What if scenarios are the theme of this offseason it looks like.

We are pretty much the GOAT hypothetical team.

Pretty much.. no CMC bobble at the goal line and Seattle is at home watching the SB

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Pat hasn't been all that the last two years. If Brock can get a line like brady had for years.. HOFr easy

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Pat hasn't been all that the last two years. If Brock can get a line like brady had for years.. HOFr easy

Pat could've retired two year ago and made the HOF

And sure if Purdy wins multiple SBs and MVPs he will also be there with Brady...wtf we talking about lol

Montana couldn't make some of the throws that Elway and Marino could make. You can even throw Simms and other guys in there too. You guys are too focused on the tangible. The game of football is not a "greatest throw" or a "hardest throw" competition

Joe knew how to run offense. He had the feel for the game. Who cares if he couldn't make the throws the others could. Our offense ran at an elite level and that's all that matters

If it were a pure athleticism and throwing competition then Rodgers would be considered better than Brady. That's how you guys seem to view the game but that's not how it works in reality

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

No you're right I just started watching him play...

I've literally been one of his most vocal supporters during the contract discussions here but cuz I'm not willing to ignore his flaws you can't take me serious on Brock lol? Ok...

We don't live in a world of fantasy unfortunately. I'm well aware of the what ifs. But the facts are the facts and Brock doesn't have a SB win. Nor does he have the arm talent of those guys.

So please with a straight face tell me what Brock does better than Brady in regards to the mental side of the game which is where we know Brock excels? What does he do better than Mahomes if you take everything into the picture? Mahomes is no slouch on the mental side of the game either and there's no question he's better across the board as a scrambler and thrower of the football.

Limitations - arm talent. Brock doesn't have it. It doesn't mean his arm hurts us all the time but it does LIMIT the throws he's able to make. His height by his own admission is a limitation. For guys who have to throw with anticipation and lesser arm talent that plays a factor. If you can't see where you're throwing it's a risk factor.

Brady is arguably the best QB to play this sport. Mahomes may end up with that distinction when he's all done...he'll certainly be in the most talented conversation. Both will be surefire first ballot HOFers.

You getting up in arms to someone saying Brock isn't near those guys(while hoping to be wrong) says more about your takes on Brock than mine.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Pat hasn't been all that the last two years. If Brock can get a line like brady had for years.. HOFr easy

Brady made all those OLines better with his play. Brock has done that as well but pretending the Pats had these top flight OLines isn't it.

Look no further than the change in sack totals from 2007 to 2008 with virtually the same exact offense except it went from Brady to Cassel.

Brock makes some great plays but he's not a QB who tends to get the ball out super quick.

But yes...if our OL was better in 2023 Brock has a SB win under his belt right now.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Montana couldn't make some of the throws that Elway and Marino could make. You can even throw Simms and other guys in there too. You guys are too focused on the tangible. The game of football is not a "greatest throw" or a "hardest throw" competition

Joe knew how to run offense. He had the feel for the game. Who cares if he couldn't make the throws the others could. Our offense ran at an elite level and that's all that matters

If it were a pure athleticism and throwing competition then Rodgers would be considered better than Brady. That's how you guys seem to view the game but that's not how it works in reality

Oh for crying out loud. First of all I hate you guys for making me downplay Brock but if you want to be ridiculous then here we are.

Brock is a great QB but when you bring up Montana to make your analogy to him you're doing a disservice to the kid. Also thinking that people are simply going off arm talent.

There is a reason we're not talking about Justin Herbert or Jordan Love. Both of those guys can make those throws you speak of.

We're talking about Tom Brady - basically the original not great physical talent. A guy who as a passer could do all the things that Brock does AND more. He's got a better arm, he's taller so he can see the field better oh and there's the whole resume with 7 SB wins on it and virtually every NFL record as a passer.

We're talking about Patrick Mahomes - a guy who until his past season never had his team end the year worse than AFC Championship game. A guy who unfortunately beat Purdy in the SB and had 2 other SB wins under his belt. Has one of the best performances in terms of clutch factor and play from behind moments.

Mahomes may not have the anticipation ability of Purdy but his arm talent doesn't require that for him to be successful.

Now once again....I hope when it's all said and done and Brock's career is over I'm dead wrong about him not belonging with those guys but right now anyone complaining about that statement is living in denial.

I didn't even realize this was the Shanahan thread...let's move this conversation to the Purdy thread if we want to keep going into it.

I'll be curious if Kyle will go to the combine this year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Pat hasn't been all that the last two years. If Brock can get a line like brady had for years.. HOFr easy

Pat has been to 4 SBs in the last 7 years, winning 3. Last season was possibly his worst on what's become a bad team but he also missed a 1/4 of the last season due to injury but the season before led to one of those SB trips.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Purdy is the only reason Shanny (and Johnny Boy) still has a job.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can check his thread for my thoughts on Brock but let's be real here. There are physical limitations to Brock's game which is why he's nowhere near those guys. Team accomplishments are just a part of it.

And Brock would've had a SB and Mahomes would have one less if he actually made a couple of the throws he missed. Not saying he's to blame for the loss but I believe both Mahomes and Brady make that read and throw to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark to run the clock and win the SB so let's not play the what if game.

Like I said above, I'd love to be proven wrong in that regard.

Lol sorry I can't take you srs on Brock anymore. Nowhere near, ayfkm? Did you watch Brock at all those first two years? He would have gotten an SB win if the o line actually blocked Reddick from blowing right through and destroying Purdy's arm.

Limitations, lol limitations were that we basically had no roster this yr or last yr due to injuries and he still performed great. And blaming the SB loss on Brock, really? None of the blame goes on Shanny's lame ass decisions or Burford letting Chris Jones blast right through? Get real.

What sucks is that Brock is just as good as Mahomes..(oh no, I said that!)..but the reason he may never get the recognition, is because of some dumb as decisions/actions by the o-line that has been neglected severely or by lame ass calls by Shanahan.

Is Brock perfect? No. But him being written off as nowhere near...that is just small minded. If Brock's arm did not snap in half..we won that SB guaranteed. Then, this discussion would be totally different. That is what is so s**tty about that injury. We would have won 100%

Define limitations exactly?

Brock is a solid QB. Around the top 10 and sometimes plays at a higher level. But he isn't able to make certain throws that the top QBs can make. He isn't Pat or Brady, and that's not being a hater.

This isn't just a fan thing, but everyone in the NFL circle can acknowledge that. What majority of the NFL circle can't acknowledge is the blame you and others place on KS. Former players, current players, current coaches, former coaches, execs, media, other fans, etc., mostly agree about KS being a top HC.

You also thought Jimmy was elite and better than Stafford, so excuse me lol...

Purdy is good, but he isn't Brady or Pat.

Purdy is the only reason Shanny (and Johnny Boy) still has a job.

Originally posted by Koldo:


Purdy is the only reason Shanny (and Johnny Boy) still has a job.

This is bull. If Jed had had a brainstorm any time this decade, Shanahan would have been snatched up within minutes.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Koldo:


Purdy is the only reason Shanny (and Johnny Boy) still has a job.

This is bull. If Jed had had a brainstorm any time this decade, Shanahan would have been snatched up within minutes.

100% and while we all agree Lance was a brutal miss, imo swinging and missing for the franchise qb is the once acceptable risk any given team can take. Jed seems to agree. While that bombed, they also found Purdy and have generally fielded a very competitive team regardless. I'm sure in their internal convos they all know they need to draft better.