49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

Once again his behavior and whether he was a good draft pick are two different things. I am in no way defending his behavior. I am simply pointing out that he was a great player who didn't give any indication that something like this would happen AFTER the contract was completed.

If you give me a single example of something like this going down with the so called warning signs being in that other case then I will admit I'm wrong. However I think it's completely disingenuous to pretend Aiyuk was a bad draft pick and use him to lump on the idea that the 49ers don't know how to draft in the first round.

And no...Randy Moss didn't put in enough effort virtually his whole career, was he a bad draft pick for the Vikings too? A ton of guys who have won in college mostly cuz of their talent level being superior learn to put in more in the NFL. The ones who don't rarely continue to play well unless they are top tier guys like Moss.

Randy Moss was a top 3 WR of all time and is celebrated by the nfl community to this day, Aiyuk is a very good WR when he was healthy, but it's likely he will not be remembered once he's gone from the nfl, whenever that may be. At least from an on-field point of view. Not a mystery why teams would put up with behavior from Randy Moss over Brandon Aiyuk.

Aiyuk showed everyone who he was in that 2024 offseason with his indirect passive aggressive behavior. Team should've been done with him at that point

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

In a parallel universe this is true and Aiyuk is currently playing for the New England Patriots who had the framework for a trade in place with the 49ers and offered Aiyuk the most money.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

Once again his behavior and whether he was a good draft pick are two different things. I am in no way defending his behavior. I am simply pointing out that he was a great player who didn't give any indication that something like this would happen AFTER the contract was completed.

If you give me a single example of something like this going down with the so called warning signs being in that other case then I will admit I'm wrong. However I think it's completely disingenuous to pretend Aiyuk was a bad draft pick and use him to lump on the idea that the 49ers don't know how to draft in the first round.

And no...Randy Moss didn't put in enough effort virtually his whole career, was he a bad draft pick for the Vikings too? A ton of guys who have won in college mostly cuz of their talent level being superior learn to put in more in the NFL. The ones who don't rarely continue to play well unless they are top tier guys like Moss.

Randy Moss was a top 3 WR of all time and is celebrated by the nfl community to this day, Aiyuk is a very good WR when he was healthy, but it's likely he will not be remembered once he's gone from the nfl, whenever that may be. At least from an on-field point of view. Not a mystery why teams would put up with behavior from Randy Moss over Brandon Aiyuk.

Aiyuk showed everyone who he was in that 2024 offseason with his indirect passive aggressive behavior. Team should've been done with him at that point

My man you're really struggling with analogies. I made them extreme to show you why your takes are incredibly flawed. The fact that you're reacting to those analogies like that should be a reminder of that.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

In a parallel universe this is true and Aiyuk is currently playing for the New England Patriots who had the framework for a trade in place with the 49ers and offered Aiyuk the most money.

Good reminder. Aiyuk may have wanted to get paid but he wasn't looking for the most $ on the table regardless of situation.

ironically had he taken that trade everyone likely is better for it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

In a parallel universe this is true and Aiyuk is currently playing for the New England Patriots who had the framework for a trade in place with the 49ers and offered Aiyuk the most money.

Good reminder. Aiyuk may have wanted to get paid but he wasn't looking for the most $ on the table regardless of situation.

ironically had he taken that trade everyone likely is better for it.

seems like he was looking out for more money, just not from any other team

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think the same. One thing that stuck in my head was some ex-players saying how some guys just don't love the game, only the $ etc. TJ was referencing BA when saying that.

Now with that in mind its pure speculation by me, but sure you could imagine the team sensed this and paid a guy who is hardly motivated now etc. Maybe that happened? Who knows.

In the end I think three things for sure: 1. He does not love football; the contract was his ultimate goal. I get that's true to some degree in every case, but he appears to be way more of a "this is true" in his case. 2. He is surrounded by people giving him incredibly terrible advice. 3. He is not very bright.

We'll never know probably what happened. I will say the "don't love the game thing" is overrated. Yes you want guys who love the game because they're self starters and they tend to squeeze more juice out of their career.

However you still have guys like Curtis Martin who make the HOF and admit in their speech they didn't love the game, it was a paycheck.

We will see what happens with Aiyuk the rest of his career but regardless of how it goes for him I think it's crazy to list him as a bad draft pick.

100% fantastic draft pick. Nobody could have predicted how this would have ended up. That's why in the other thread I want them to find a complete WR: mentally and physically!

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think the same. One thing that stuck in my head was some ex-players saying how some guys just don't love the game, only the $ etc. TJ was referencing BA when saying that.

Now with that in mind its pure speculation by me, but sure you could imagine the team sensed this and paid a guy who is hardly motivated now etc. Maybe that happened? Who knows.

In the end I think three things for sure: 1. He does not love football; the contract was his ultimate goal. I get that's true to some degree in every case, but he appears to be way more of a "this is true" in his case. 2. He is surrounded by people giving him incredibly terrible advice. 3. He is not very bright.

We'll never know probably what happened. I will say the "don't love the game thing" is overrated. Yes you want guys who love the game because they're self starters and they tend to squeeze more juice out of their career.

However you still have guys like Curtis Martin who make the HOF and admit in their speech they didn't love the game, it was a paycheck.

We will see what happens with Aiyuk the rest of his career but regardless of how it goes for him I think it's crazy to list him as a bad draft pick.

100% fantastic draft pick. Nobody could have predicted how this would have ended up. That's why in the other thread I want them to find a complete WR: mentally and physically!

Right and to bring this back to Kyle Shanahan(my fault for leading into the derail)

if there is one position i will trust Kyle more than anything it's at WR, especially that he's learned from the Pettis fiasco but in general WRs tend to be divas and it's rare to find non selfish elite WRs that remain happy if they don't get the ball and their money is impacted.

We'll see if their mindset on landing a true X with intentions of paying him big money may change. They may opt to let those guys go via trade…tho not all X WRs are the same mentally.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

In a parallel universe this is true and Aiyuk is currently playing for the New England Patriots who had the framework for a trade in place with the 49ers and offered Aiyuk the most money.

i stand corrected. He cared about money AND being on a team he "wanted" to play for (Raiders, Steelers, and Commanders). Overall, he wanted his cake and to eat it too, was being an unreasonable weirdo child about the whole situation. In hindsight, not accepting the trade to New England is just one of many terrible weird decisions Aiyuk has made since post-super bowl

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
"Not putting enough effort" can be associated with bad attitude. And with how things ended up panning out, I still don't understand how or why some of you are defending his behavior or acting like the dog house thing was some anomaly. Lol Deebo was coming off a historic season and was loved in the locker room and front office,unlike withdrawn Aiyuk. That contract turned out to not be very good either, but that's another topic. Aiyuk posted those on celebration vids either after the Steelers or Dallas win in 2023 on Instagram live. Those videos usually disappear from the internet after 24 hours unless someone screenshot recorded it at the time. Point is, money was on his mind over winning, with how things turned out, I don't get how you continue to argue otherwise . But in his defense, he didn't talk about money after beating the Eagles, he was rapping with Deebo and Jennings for some of it, but that game was more personal for the team. He might've been a good draft pick short term, long term it's been a disaster. Even worse than if they would've let him walk because at least the Niners arguably wouldn't have let players like Huff or Greenlaw leave.

Once again his behavior and whether he was a good draft pick are two different things. I am in no way defending his behavior. I am simply pointing out that he was a great player who didn't give any indication that something like this would happen AFTER the contract was completed.

If you give me a single example of something like this going down with the so called warning signs being in that other case then I will admit I'm wrong. However I think it's completely disingenuous to pretend Aiyuk was a bad draft pick and use him to lump on the idea that the 49ers don't know how to draft in the first round.

And no...Randy Moss didn't put in enough effort virtually his whole career, was he a bad draft pick for the Vikings too? A ton of guys who have won in college mostly cuz of their talent level being superior learn to put in more in the NFL. The ones who don't rarely continue to play well unless they are top tier guys like Moss.

Randy Moss was a top 3 WR of all time and is celebrated by the nfl community to this day, Aiyuk is a very good WR when he was healthy, but it's likely he will not be remembered once he's gone from the nfl, whenever that may be. At least from an on-field point of view. Not a mystery why teams would put up with behavior from Randy Moss over Brandon Aiyuk.

Aiyuk showed everyone who he was in that 2024 offseason with his indirect passive aggressive behavior. Team should've been done with him at that point

My man you're really struggling with analogies. I made them extreme to show you why your takes are incredibly flawed. The fact that you're reacting to those analogies like that should be a reminder of that.

Because they're not very good analogies, apples and oranges. Lol most teams are willing to tolerate weirdo behavior from their players if they're all-time greats like Moss or T.O., at least for awhile. but who can we really compare Brandon Aiyuk with? Antonio Brown? AB was a wayyy better player than Aiyuk. So no? Keyshawn Johnson?

Lol dude cryin for like three pages about BA and not seeing the signs, slow news time. BA was pretty responsible and reliable until the wild hairs (mom, gf, fam) got up his ass after SB. Dude got full of himself, which led to his demise. Can't wait till he is off the team. Talented but replaceable. Nobody could have predicted his leg snapping in half and then apparently ghosting the team or whatever the hell happened.

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol dude cryin for like three pages about BA and not seeing the signs, slow news time. BA was pretty responsible and reliable until the wild hairs (mom, gf, fam) got up his ass after SB. Dude got full of himself, which led to his demise. Can't wait till he is off the team. Talented but replaceable. Nobody could have predicted his leg snapping in half and then apparently ghosting the team or whatever the hell happened.

BAs body language was always dogs**t. Throwing fits when he didn't get the ball thrown his way. Liking comments saying if he got the targets Jefferson got he'd be rated just as high. He's a me first player and the team will be better without his b***h ass.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol dude cryin for like three pages about BA and not seeing the signs, slow news time. BA was pretty responsible and reliable until the wild hairs (mom, gf, fam) got up his ass after SB. Dude got full of himself, which led to his demise. Can't wait till he is off the team. Talented but replaceable. Nobody could have predicted his leg snapping in half and then apparently ghosting the team or whatever the hell happened.

BAs body language was always dogs**t. Throwing fits when he didn't get the ball thrown his way. Liking comments saying if he got the targets Jefferson got he'd be rated just as high. He's a me first player and the team will be better without his b***h ass.

This ^^

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol dude cryin for like three pages about BA and not seeing the signs, slow news time. BA was pretty responsible and reliable until the wild hairs (mom, gf, fam) got up his ass after SB. Dude got full of himself, which led to his demise. Can't wait till he is off the team. Talented but replaceable. Nobody could have predicted his leg snapping in half and then apparently ghosting the team or whatever the hell happened.

BAs body language was always dogs**t. Throwing fits when he didn't get the ball thrown his way. Liking comments saying if he got the targets Jefferson got he'd be rated just as high. He's a me first player and the team will be better without his b***h ass.

I want this thread back to Kyle Shanahan discussions but this simply never happened. There is absolutely no reason to make things up just because we're upset at the player.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol dude cryin for like three pages about BA and not seeing the signs, slow news time. BA was pretty responsible and reliable until the wild hairs (mom, gf, fam) got up his ass after SB. Dude got full of himself, which led to his demise. Can't wait till he is off the team. Talented but replaceable. Nobody could have predicted his leg snapping in half and then apparently ghosting the team or whatever the hell happened.

BAs body language was always dogs**t. Throwing fits when he didn't get the ball thrown his way. Liking comments saying if he got the targets Jefferson got he'd be rated just as high. He's a me first player and the team will be better without his b***h ass.

I want this thread back to Kyle Shanahan discussions but this simply never happened. There is absolutely no reason to make things up just because we're upset at the player.

I distinctly remember seeing tweets showing his frustration when he didn't get targeted throwing his arms in the air and pouting.

Originally posted by genus49:
I want this thread back to Kyle Shanahan discussions but this simply never happened. There is absolutely no reason to make things up just because we're upset at the player.

It absolutely did happen and was documented in the BA thread. People chose to ignore or downplay it.

In the end, those of us pointing this stuff out turned out to be right.

The only gif I have left remaining from that year since most got deleted. BA literally pouting because he wasn't the one to score the touchdown. The entire season was filled with moments like this. The problem is most of it happens off the broadcast few, so the average fan that isn't watching the all-22 has no clue about it.