49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
Exactly they will likely turn back into bottom dwellers. Which head coaching candidate would we have hired this year? Don't say Saleh bc if they fired Kyle they weren't going to hire his DC. The top candidates were Stefanski and Harbaugh. Really think they are better than Kyle at this point

There are always a pile of good coaches available each year.

John Harbaugh
Grant Udinsk
Joe Brady
Jessie Minter
Jeff Hafley
Phillip Rivers

It's been 10 years. We have lost two Super Bowls and our personnel decisions have been beyond bad. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery.

Dude listed Philip Rivers with a straight face

Quick question out of those guys...how many won a SB? How many have been HCs before? Jessie Minter is well regarded and going to a terrific situation but there is 0 guarantee any of these guys would do a better job than Kyle.

Always a pile of good coaches available each year.

Which is why the following HCs won SBs in the last 10 years.
Sirianni
Reid x 3
McVay
Arians
Belichick x 2
Pederson
Kubiak

Out of those coaches 6 SBs were with Mahomes and Tom Brady and another with Matt Stafford.
The 2 Eagles wins were with dominant trench play and the best GM in the game.
Kubiak won with an all time defense

Which of those "pile of good coaches" are walking in to this team and getting that level of play out of this roster?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Always the excuses. Why are we always banged up? Why are we on the road in the first place? We had a chance to be at home this year against Seattle. Nope. Shanny scored a whopping 3 points.

and the shanny haters can stay off just so you guys can be alone and talk about how great of a coach he is amongst yourselves without challenge. Sounds great.

Should stay off because the majority of this board doesn't want to read overly emotional whining incessantly.

What's really sad is if the day comes that Kyle is fired unfortunately the track record will be some Jim Tomsula or Dennis Erickson will be the hire. You guys will rejoice though because anyone but Shanny will do.

Exactly they will likely turn back into bottom dwellers. Which head coaching candidate would we have hired this year? Don't say Saleh bc if they fired Kyle they weren't going to hire his DC. The top candidates were Stefanski and Harbaugh. Really think they are better than Kyle at this point

This is a good hypothetical to go through. The problem is the people who are pushing for this to happen will not give you a real analysis because to them they simply want a change.

Forget the fact that if Kyle is fired it will mean a full rebuild of the roster. A new HC will not be tied to any of the guys we have here, usually that means mass changes on the roster because the new regime wants their guys there and when following a successful HC(sorry fellas but 99.9% of the NFL watching population would call Shanahan a successful HC) it's very easy to lose a locker room if you're not matching or exceeding the way the former guy ran things.

What else does it mean? You're likely looking for a new QB since Purdy and Shanahan are a great unison but he may not work as well with another HC. Now your best asset on offense needs to be replaced at the hardest position to find a top level player in.

So everyone is upset we're far behind Seattle and the Rams but sure...let's just upheave the full roster and surely we'll be back winning SBs in no time since we've done so well with all these coaches since Seifert and before Walsh.

Whats wrong with a full rebuild? This team needs it. The roster is in shambles. This is probably what is needed and their thinking that we are a a few players away is the reason why this regime's drafts continue to suck.

their draft philosophy over the last several years has been to draft for need over best player available because they think they're a few pieces away. This has hurt the team. The team needs to suck it up and go through a full rebuild and start drafting best player available. It's the only way to compete in this division. This team as it stands is not a few players away.

You just can't win with player personnel decisions this bad. Draft, free agency, internal extension contracts, cap and dead money, letting the wrong players go in free agency, ignore button for certain areas like offensive line. They are horrible at all of those. All the shifts and motions in the world can't mask that. Is Shany good at shifts and motions? You could make the argument. But you can't be a disaster at all those other categories and win. That's the problem.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Whats wrong with a full rebuild? This team needs it. The roster is in shambles. This is probably what is needed and their thinking that we are a a few players away is the reason why this regime's drafts continue to suck.

their draft philosophy over the last several years has been to draft for need over best player available because they think they're a few pieces away. This has hurt the team. The team needs to suck it up and go through a full rebuild and start drafting best player available. It's the only way to compete in this division. This team as it stands is not a few players away.

This wasn't their thinking this season though. They dubbed it a re-set year, and the ownership wanted to pull back on cash spending. They didn't add significant pieces in free agency or the trade deadline. They shed contracts they didn't like, including Aiyuks.

They 100 percent acted like a team that was in transition… and then they overachieved primarily due to coaching.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Kyle Shanahan is a good coach, but one wonders how much time he has left in the bay area. He has been in the area for 10 plus years now and there is more pressure for him to build another winner, perhaps at the expense of the future, than if someone new was in the position. For those saying it's Shanahan or Tomsula-level coaching, that's hogwash, just look at Seattle to see an example of how things can go when you move on from a good coach. What to do?

If I'm being honest, the 49ers window was a few years ago and they lost their big games unfortunately. Their window was with Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and CMC all in the primes and they blew it. Now those guys are older and because of bad trades they don't have any young talent coming up that can match what the Rams and Seahawks have. It's time to rebuild. On both sides of the ball they need to get younger, faster, and more explosive. Now the question is will they do this? Or will they trade future capital to bring in more band aids?

People are suggesting the team needs to rebuild their offensive line, and they are not wrong, but I think the immediate priority is to find more explosion on offense at the skill positions. CMC is still good as a pass catching RB but has lost that burst to be an efficient runner. Kittle will be out half of next season and Tonges is more of a complimentary piece I would say. WR is a dog's breakfast and needs new life in a big way. Yeah we need help on the line but they may need to continue patching it up while they find the playmakers. They need guys who can threaten Seattle's defense.

Seattle with Pete was incredibly stale. Yes they were never putting up horrible seasons but they had just 1 playoff win in 7 seasons. That is a VASTLY different situation. Not to mention Pete was old. I'm pretty sure if Shanahan ever had the team with only 1 playoff win in 7 seasons most of us would be calling for his head(probably way before the 7 seasons)

Also the biggest thing with Seattle is they kept the same GM. If Kyle is fired, Lynch is out as well. Whoever comes in will clear house for the most part. If that's what fans want that's fine but it reads like most people expect a new HC to come in and suddenly win the SB in a year or two.

Originally posted by genus49:
Seattle with Pete was incredibly stale. Yes they were never putting up horrible seasons but they had just 1 playoff win in 7 seasons. That is a VASTLY different situation. Not to mention Pete was old. I'm pretty sure if Shanahan ever had the team with only 1 playoff win in 7 seasons most of us would be calling for his head(probably way before the 7 seasons)

Also the biggest thing with Seattle is they kept the same GM. If Kyle is fired, Lynch is out as well. Whoever comes in will clear house for the most part. If that's what fans want that's fine but it reads like most people expect a new HC to come in and suddenly win the SB in a year or two.

Another GM in title only while Paraag does the nuts and bolts of the position.

You can be the GM, but we'll pick the coach and you don't get to manage contracts or trades and if the coach has any leverage, you won't get to have final say on personnel either. Fans will put you in the crosshairs first as the public face of the position.

Sounds awesome.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Whats wrong with a full rebuild? This team needs it. The roster is in shambles. This is probably what is needed and their thinking that we are a a few players away is the reason why this regime's drafts continue to suck.

their draft philosophy over the last several years has been to draft for need over best player available because they think they're a few pieces away. This has hurt the team. The team needs to suck it up and go through a full rebuild and start drafting best player available. It's the only way to compete in this division. This team as it stands is not a few players away.

What's wrong with a full rebuild? Roster is in shambles and you want to fire a HC who took that team to the divisional round. Makes perfect sense...

And a full rebuild doesn't guarantee a thing. How many times have we done it and won what? That's the goal right? SB win?

Those 2 second year HCs you're praising as rebuilding...what did they rebuild? In both instances the same front office remained from the year prior. This way the HC gets to say their preferences but you don't have mass exodus of proven talent just so the new guys can have their guys.

You guys refuse to acknowledge the situation here is very different. A rebuild with a new HC and new front office is a complete unknown and reality is this regime and Shanahan haven't shown they're losing the team or are unable to compete within the division. Until they show that nobody is firing Shanahan.

this guy wont win it all until he accepts an addresses his OL problems and at least just improves the injury problem.

everything else comes second to these things. all this other talk about WRs and play calling and drafting is irrelevant and doesn't even matter or make a difference until those two things improve. those are the two keys to us making it over the hump, until they change we wont go any further.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Patton:
Complete coaching staff change, brand new QB? Loss of veteran players? How is that not a rebuild?

Had Geno last year. Wasn't a brand new qb. They moved on from a couple veteran receivers but signed Kupp.

Not a rebuild at all. Rebuilds are starting from scratch.

Ironic that Patton had this to say in the 49ers retool/rebuild thread

Looks like a full rebuild lol

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
this guy wont win it all until he accepts an addresses his OL problems and at least just improves the injury problem.

everything else comes second to these things. all this other talk about WRs and play calling and drafting is irrelevant and doesn't even matter or make a difference until those two things improve. those are the two keys to us making it over the hump, until they change we wont go any further.

WR play was a huge issue against Seattle. That's one thing that people overlook. Easy to say Aiyuk wasn't a big loss because he was out all year but the reality is Shanahan went into this season expecting Aiyuk to be available at the back end of the season as our WR1. He wasn't.

Not having a guy like that takes a huge toll on the offense and makes this a heck of a lot easier for a great defense like Seattle had. We don't have to look far to see the impact of Nacua for the Rams or JSN for Seattle. And with playcalling and design on the level of Shanahan a guy like that opens up so much.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Whats wrong with a full rebuild? This team needs it. The roster is in shambles. This is probably what is needed and their thinking that we are a a few players away is the reason why this regime's drafts continue to suck.

their draft philosophy over the last several years has been to draft for need over best player available because they think they're a few pieces away. This has hurt the team. The team needs to suck it up and go through a full rebuild and start drafting best player available. It's the only way to compete in this division. This team as it stands is not a few players away.

What's wrong with a full rebuild? Roster is in shambles and you want to fire a HC who took that team to the divisional round. Makes perfect sense...

And a full rebuild doesn't guarantee a thing. How many times have we done it and won what? That's the goal right? SB win?

Those 2 second year HCs you're praising as rebuilding...what did they rebuild? In both instances the same front office remained from the year prior. This way the HC gets to say their preferences but you don't have mass exodus of proven talent just so the new guys can have their guys.

You guys refuse to acknowledge the situation here is very different. A rebuild with a new HC and new front office is a complete unknown and reality is this regime and Shanahan haven't shown they're losing the team or are unable to compete within the division. Until they show that nobody is firing Shanahan.

Divisional game appearance is nice if you're the Cleveland browns.

Your method just keeps the team competitive with the hope that the niners will just luck into a Super Bowl if everything goes their way. The team as it stands with some retooling will never be that dominant Super Bowl winning championship team.

This team ain't it.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Divisional game appearance is nice if you're the Cleveland browns.

Your method just keeps the team competitive with the hope that the niners will just luck into a Super Bowl if everything goes their way. The team as it stands with some retooling will never be that dominant Super Bowl winning championship team.

This team ain't it.

Their actions indicate that they understand this. You just saw year one of a roster reset, mostly focused on the defensive side of the ball. There is going to be more.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
this guy wont win it all until he accepts an addresses his OL problems and at least just improves the injury problem.

everything else comes second to these things. all this other talk about WRs and play calling and drafting is irrelevant and doesn't even matter or make a difference until those two things improve. those are the two keys to us making it over the hump, until they change we wont go any further.

WR play was a huge issue against Seattle. That's one thing that people overlook. Easy to say Aiyuk wasn't a big loss because he was out all year but the reality is Shanahan went into this season expecting Aiyuk to be available at the back end of the season as our WR1. He wasn't.

Not having a guy like that takes a huge toll on the offense and makes this a heck of a lot easier for a great defense like Seattle had. We don't have to look far to see the impact of Nacua for the Rams or JSN for Seattle. And with playcalling and design on the level of Shanahan a guy like that opens up so much.

BA was a big loss for sure, but let's be real—he's not in the same stratosphere as JSN or Puka. Both of those guys are game changers and force multipliers that single-handedly elevate their entire offenses. I think even with BA this WR group isn't doing enough against that Seattle secondary. The 49ers need to find a way to add a real young game changer at that position, or they're going to continue to be outclassed by a young elite head coach with a crazy talented secondary that's going to be around for a long time.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Divisional game appearance is nice if you're the Cleveland browns.

Your method just keeps the team competitive with the hope that the niners will just luck into a Super Bowl if everything goes their way. The team as it stands with some retooling will never be that dominant Super Bowl winning championship team.

This team ain't it.

Continuity in scheme and a winning culture is an easier retool than a full blown rebuild. The fact is we've seen this regime rebuild a roster WAY worse than what the 49ers have now. Logic is having them get this roster over the hump with key additions is more likely than a full rebuild where you have to get a whole more right.

Not only are you trying to find the right HC and GM combo but you're also trying to find a franchise QB and virtually your whole roster. It's irrational to think that's an easy task.

You're simply rooting for change for the hell of it. I'm sorry that's dumb. I've seen way to many rebuilds as an adult 49ers fan and I'm not in the mood for that again. Like I said, if Shanahan shows he's losing the team or we're going backwards then you make the switch because that can happen but acting like it should happen right now is simply irrational behavior.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
this guy wont win it all until he accepts an addresses his OL problems and at least just improves the injury problem.

everything else comes second to these things. all this other talk about WRs and play calling and drafting is irrelevant and doesn't even matter or make a difference until those two things improve. those are the two keys to us making it over the hump, until they change we wont go any further.

WR play was a huge issue against Seattle. That's one thing that people overlook. Easy to say Aiyuk wasn't a big loss because he was out all year but the reality is Shanahan went into this season expecting Aiyuk to be available at the back end of the season as our WR1. He wasn't.

Not having a guy like that takes a huge toll on the offense and makes this a heck of a lot easier for a great defense like Seattle had. We don't have to look far to see the impact of Nacua for the Rams or JSN for Seattle. And with playcalling and design on the level of Shanahan a guy like that opens up so much.

BA was a big loss for sure, but let's be real—he's not in the same stratosphere as JSN or Puka. Both of those guys are game changers and force multipliers that single-handedly elevate their entire offenses. I think even with BA this WR group isn't doing enough against that Seattle secondary. The 49ers need to find a way to add a real young game changer at that position, or they're going to continue to be outclassed by a young elite head coach with a crazy talented secondary that's going to be around for a long time.

To be fair was JSN a force multiplier before this season? I don't know how Aiyuk would've looked after his knee injury but I do know he was a hell of a WR before the injury but he was never fed in our offense the way Seattle fed JSN this year.