49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Ask Brian dabol, stefanski and O'Connell how much that award means.

All guys you undoubtedly wanted Kyle fired for.

I'm not sure. Are any of them 1-41 when trailing by 7 or more in the 4th?

Andy Reid is 6-12(notice how his team has way less situations of that happening?)

O'Connell is 4-6
Lafleur 4-18
Tomlin 6-29
Sean Payton 3-22

This is from a couple of years ago



The reality is for the majority of Kyle's career he had bad QB play or mediocre pass protection. When you're down 7+ in the 4th quarter you're forced to throw the ball more so the threat of the run game disappears. Teams know what's coming and go all out to defend the pass.

You guys acting like this is some major issue is just stupid. Yes it's an issue but you should want your HC to avoid being down big in the 4th quarter in the first place. And when the best in the business is just at .300 in those opportunities, maybe not something to get all up in arms about.

Anyone who has half a brain and two eyeballs can see how those magical 4th QR comebacks happen….usually it's off the backs of their crazy talented QB, not some elite level play calling on each down. Bunch of backyard football.

So 9 years in and he hasn't found that elite qb.

so we can just wait another 5-10 years and hope he just lucks out.

First blame jimmy. Then blame lance for not panning out.

rip brock.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
s**t happens, but that was a coach and team that was completely unprepared for the moment. To the point of confusion. That's absolutely inexcusable man. And this is a dude that has already been to OT in a Super Bowl

Yeah just like fumbles from the OPOY, injuries, muffed punts and 5 fumbles from KC that only lead to 1 TO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
s**t happens, but that was a coach and team that was completely unprepared for the moment. To the point of confusion. That's absolutely inexcusable man. And this is a dude that has already been to OT in a Super Bowl

Yeah just like fumbles from the OPOY, injuries, muffed punts and 5 fumbles from KC that only lead to 1 TO.

The same old story. Coaches and QBs get too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. Football is the ultimate team game. Lot's of thngs need to happen or not happen in order to win.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Ask Brian dabol, stefanski and O'Connell how much that award means.

All guys you undoubtedly wanted Kyle fired for.

I'm not sure. Are any of them 1-41 when trailing by 7 or more in the 4th?

Andy Reid is 6-12(notice how his team has way less situations of that happening?)

O'Connell is 4-6
Lafleur 4-18
Tomlin 6-29
Sean Payton 3-22

This is from a couple of years ago



The reality is for the majority of Kyle's career he had bad QB play or mediocre pass protection. When you're down 7+ in the 4th quarter you're forced to throw the ball more so the threat of the run game disappears. Teams know what's coming and go all out to defend the pass.

You guys acting like this is some major issue is just stupid. Yes it's an issue but you should want your HC to avoid being down big in the 4th quarter in the first place. And when the best in the business is just at .300 in those opportunities, maybe not something to get all up in arms about.

Anyone who has half a brain and two eyeballs can see how those magical 4th QR comebacks happen….usually it's off the backs of their crazy talented QB, not some elite level play calling on each down. Bunch of backyard football.

So 9 years in and he hasn't found that elite qb.

so we can just wait another 5-10 years and hope he just lucks out.

First blame jimmy. Then blame lance for not panning out.

rip brock.

Listen if we want to talk about real issues with Kyle I'm here for it.

Most of us agree that his afterthought when it comes to OL is concerning. That clearly makes an impact in those late game must throw situations. But if we can't be real with what actually happened in those games then why bring them up in the first place?

The stat is 7+ so without looking at each game it means whether it's an 8 point deficit or 28 point deficit makes no difference.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Let me ask a question. Why were the 49ers 12-5 this year and 6-11 last year? Was Kyle all of a sudden a better coach this year? Did he wake up and say I'm going to be better coach this year? No. He's the same coach.

the reasons why the record this year was better?

a 3rd place schedule vs a 1st place schedule.
a better backup qb.
saleh vs Sorensen
cmc healthy all year

those are the reasons. Kyle didn't just all of a sudden coach his ass off. If anything, he gets credit for bringing saleh back, but knowing he was only going to be here for a year actually hurt more.

When I saw your post I kinda figured no one would dispute it. Makes too much sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

s**t happens, but that was a coach and team that was completely unprepared for the moment. To the point of confusion. That's absolutely inexcusable man. And this is a dude that has already been to OT in a Super Bowl

Yeah just like fumbles from the OPOY, injuries, muffed punts and 5 fumbles from KC that only lead to 1 TO.

Fumbles, injuries and the way the ball bounces have nothing to do with being unprepared. s**t happens in the moment at full speed

There's no excuse for Kyle. He had already been in OT in the sb before and he completely overlooked it. It's a classic Kyle loss

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So 9 years in and he hasn't found that elite qb.

so we can just wait another 5-10 years and hope he just lucks out.

First blame jimmy. Then blame lance for not panning out.

rip brock.

Took your boy Andy 20 yrs and you think he's the best HC ever.

Again it's lazy analysis, you don't even look at those situations and the common theme on how they won.

I mean Jimmy stinks and the fact that he's basically a career backup proves that Kyle made lemonade out of lemons.

I truly don't think you're that thinkheaded to believe players who are actually on the field don't play any part to the sucsss of a team? I mean you cry about how bad the roster is yet don't hold the roster accountable at all when they lose

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Fumbles, injuries and the way the ball bounces have nothing to do with being unprepared. s**t happens in the moment at full speed

There's no excuse for Kyle. He had already been in OT in the sb before and he completely overlooked it. It's a classic Kyle loss

It has everything to do with a win or a loss in a OT game…Forgot to add missed extra pt as well.

Let's stop being arrogant and stupid about it for once. It only makes your debate less believable.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Fumbles, injuries and the way the ball bounces have nothing to do with being unprepared. s**t happens in the moment at full speed

There's no excuse for Kyle. He had already been in OT in the sb before and he completely overlooked it. It's a classic Kyle loss

It has everything to do with a win or a loss in a OT game…Forgot to add missed extra pt as well.

Let's stop being arrogant and stupid about it for once. It only makes your debate less believable.

Never said it doesn't matter, just said it has nothing to do with being unprepared. You seem to have a problem with reading

Kyle and his team were unprepared for the biggest moment. Something he's seen before and he still overlooked it. Terrible coaching brother

Originally posted by genus49:
Listen if we want to talk about real issues with Kyle I'm here for it.

Most of us agree that his afterthought when it comes to OL is concerning. That clearly makes an impact in those late game must throw situations. But if we can't be real with what actually happened in those games then why bring them up in the first place?

The stat is 7+ so without looking at each game it means whether it's an 8 point deficit or 28 point deficit makes no difference.

Here is my honest assessment of kyle. I will be completely transparent.

Pros: He is a solid coach. He is a great play designer. He has won some unbelievable games. He has never lost the team. He knows his x's and o's as much as anyone.

Cons: He is awful when it comes to in game adjustments. It is a rarity when the team comes out looking bad do I see the team all of a sudden turn it on. If it looks bad from the beginning I lose hope from the beginning. The two games that dont fit this narrative are the lions and packers playoff games two years ago. At this point Im thinking they were outliers, and Purdy had a lot to do with it his scrambling. He is awful in big moments. He is awful in talent evaluations. he is too stubborn when it comes to his own philosophy and his refusal to fix the oline. He is too stubborn in not playing rookies. I have never seen him just simply dominate a team as we were dominated last week in his 9 years here.

Where does this bring us? He will win games and look really good doing it at random times. But the cons will make it extremely difficult for him to pull off a superbowl victory.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Never said it doesn't matter, just said it has nothing to do with being unprepared. You seem to have a problem with reading

Kyle and his team were unprepared for the biggest moment. Something he's seen before and he still overlooked it. Terrible coaching brother

How are you not prepared when you literally have the lead in OT? NOW toss in ONE of those things I brought up and it's a win not a loss. It's football and there's a f**k ton of players on the field and refs that all have responsibilities to make it all go.

Look I'm never gonna change yours or any of the other Kyle haters club opinion on him. I will point out the emotional bias hypocritical crap that ya'll try to spout in here. Most of you can't even apply your own takes to other HCs.

Lucky for us we have a HC that most logical fans view as a great HC. He's more likely to get an extension than be fired….so I guess you guys are just gonna have to cry some more for a little.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Here is my honest assessment of kyle. I will be completely transparent.

Pros: He is a solid coach. He is a great play designer. He has won some unbelievable games. He has never lost the team. He knows his x's and o's as much as anyone.

Cons: He is awful when it comes to in game adjustments. It is a rarity when the team comes out looking bad do I see the team all of a sudden turn it on. If it looks bad from the beginning I lose hope from the beginning. The two games that dont fit this narrative are the lions and packers playoff games two years ago. At this point Im thinking they were outliers, and Purdy had a lot to do with it his scrambling. He is awful in big moments. He is awful in talent evaluations. he is too stubborn when it comes to his own philosophy and his refusal to fix the oline. He is too stubborn in not playing rookies. I have never seen him just simply dominate a team as we were dominated last week in his 9 years here.

Where does this bring us? He will win games and look really good doing it at random times. But the cons will make it extremely difficult for him to pull off a superbowl victory.

Who the f**k is good at in game adjustments? That term is basically fake news. It's made up. Peyton manning talked about it.

Very rarely did we come out and just blow teams out the water this yr…tons of lead changes and forced to score more because our defense stunk.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Never said it doesn't matter, just said it has nothing to do with being unprepared. You seem to have a problem with reading

Kyle and his team were unprepared for the biggest moment. Something he's seen before and he still overlooked it. Terrible coaching brother

How are you not prepared when you literally have the lead in OT? NOW toss in ONE of those things I brought up and it's a win not a loss. It's football and there's a f**k ton of players on the field and refs that all have responsibilities to make it all go.

Look I'm never gonna change yours or any of the other Kyle haters club opinion on him. I will point out the emotional bias hypocritical crap that ya'll try to spout in here. Most of you can't even apply your own takes to other HCs.

Lucky for us we have a HC that most logical fans view as a great HC. He's more likely to get an extension than be fired….so I guess you guys are just gonna have to cry some more for a little.

In what way does Brock orchestrating a field goal drive mean we had a plan for the moment? We didn't even do enough due diligence to know to take the ball 2nd. Andy had a plan for the biggest moment and we didn't. It's that simple

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rules

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Has nothing to do with Mahomes. The smart move from a coaching perspective is to kick. Mahomes has nothing to do with the equation. There's a reason Kyle is the only coach who's been questioned in this scenario, it's because he's the only one who received and that is the wrong coaching decision

You know you have the ability to actually research the things you say correct? It is flat out incorrect that Kyle is the only coach who's chosen to receive in the current OT format.

Through the 17 games under this format, 30 percent plus of the decisions were to receive. The receiving team has won 53 percent of those games, and analytical modeling suggests it's a 50/50 decision in the playoffs (where a tie can't happen) and a larger than 50 percent advantage for the receiving team in a 10 minute OT where a tie can happen.

The modeling doesn't support your position, neither do the results. Kyle isn't the only coach to have chosen to receive, and the other coaches who chose to kick (especially in the regular season) chose the suboptimal option statistically.

Do some research and see for yourself.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Never said it doesn't matter, just said it has nothing to do with being unprepared. You seem to have a problem with reading

Kyle and his team were unprepared for the biggest moment. Something he's seen before and he still overlooked it. Terrible coaching brother

How are you not prepared when you literally have the lead in OT? NOW toss in ONE of those things I brought up and it's a win not a loss. It's football and there's a f**k ton of players on the field and refs that all have responsibilities to make it all go.

Look I'm never gonna change yours or any of the other Kyle haters club opinion on him. I will point out the emotional bias hypocritical crap that ya'll try to spout in here. Most of you can't even apply your own takes to other HCs.

Lucky for us we have a HC that most logical fans view as a great HC. He's more likely to get an extension than be fired….so I guess you guys are just gonna have to cry some more for a little.

In what way does Brock orchestrating a field goal drive mean we had a plan for the moment? We didn't even do enough due diligence to know to take the ball 2nd. Andy had a plan for the biggest moment and we didn't. It's that simple

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rules

Would have been a TD IF our players could have executed the play presented to them.

Toss in they have the lead and all they had to do was make one stop on 4th down. One.

Yet here you are crying about not taking the ball 2nd. s**t doesn't matter if they make that stop and greatly improves our odds to win with a TD play that was right there.

I just watched a HC coach his ass off this yr with half a roster and beat the defending champs in their home town in the playoffs…And here you are complaining about a football game from years ago, let's cry some more about whatever because that's the whole prerogative in here. Can't give credit when it's due….sure can hate and cast blame when it suits you.