49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
The OT in the SB stuff has been brought up in this thread consistently since it happened. We've done that song and dance so many times and I can assure you that 2 years later nothing will change.

I can sit back and say that I felt the better decision was to receive while also acknowledging that here was clear logic behind taking the ball first based on that specific game. What happened in the other games this weekend doesn't change that.

We still have people to this day claiming Shanahan didn't know the rules. That's how absurd we want to get here to knock the guy. There are real issues to address and talk about with Kyle without making up things that simply aren't issues.

Charlie is incorrect saying the OT decision was brought up because someone wanted to justify Kyle's decision to 'receive' as right. It was brought up by DrL, who again tried to claim that Kyle was playing for a 3rd possession.

The argument isn't that the decision was 'right'. I also would have kicked. The argument is the decision is 50/50, as the early results and analytics models indicate. There isn't an inherent advantage to kick. Ideally whenever you get the ball you score a TD, and you get a stop when you're on defense. That's where we failed.

It's a tired argument, like many in this thread.

Yet, despite the analytics, no other team has taken the ball first. Crazy

Originally posted by DrEll:
Yet, despite the analytics, no other team has taken the ball first. Crazy

9-7-1 record for the receiving team my man. 3-0 when it goes beyond 2 possessions. Had Kyle kicked and the team still failed to get a stop and match the score, you'd still be here crying about the decision. At least you'd have some statistical support if that was the case, rather than absolutely nothing now. Just an inability to understand a clear-as-day quote from the coach.

Originally posted by genus49:

Kick returns remove an offensive drive.

Manning threw for almost 300 yards 3 TDs. Just because he got turnover happy like he tends to do doesn't mean that defense was shutting him down in the least bit.

Andrew Luck as a rookie with no running game doesn't mean a thing. Shutting down Brady as the Pats put up almost 100 more yards than Baltimore that day missing Gronk who was the key part of their offense, so impressive and totally not a reflection of the Pats turning it over 3 times.

Ravens were weak against the run, giving up over 100 yards in each of those "shutdown" games you're talking about and we come in with one of the best OLs in the game with Frank Gore and Kap running all over people...but sure that defense was built to stop us.

Pretending that a defense with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman is somehow doomed because two pass rushers are banged up is exactly what you're claiming other people are doing...an excuse.

That was a record setting offense. Picking off the qb twice and holding them to 3 scores is shutting them down. Different gameplans for a read option qb compared to Luck/Manning/Brady. They were focused on pass more than run

That defense didn't become elite until Aldon teamed up with Justin and we had an elite pass rush. Without that defense wasn't elite anymore. Great Lbs can't make up for no pass rush and no secondary

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Proabably true. But I would argue many coaches would have won at least 1 Super Bowl with the niners loaded rosters over the last 5 years.

Can't argue with this. I just think Jed has every right to stick with Shanahan and lynch

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
That was a record setting offense. Picking off the qb twice and holding them to 3 scores is shutting them down. Different gameplans for a read option qb compared to Luck/Manning/Brady. They were focused on pass more than run

That defense didn't become elite until Aldon teamed up with Justin and we had an elite pass rush. Without that defense wasn't elite anymore. Great Lbs can't make up for no pass rush and no secondary

Agree with the point that our defense was banged up through the stretch run. They basically broke in the 2nd half of the Patriots game. Our offense carried that team through the end of the season and the playoffs… which was one of the reasons the switch to Kaepernick was critical.

Disappointing SB loss obviously. Ran into a hot team and we couldn't stop them on defense throughout the bulk of the game, and our offense was disjointed early.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Proabably true. But I would argue many coaches would have won at least 1 Super Bowl with the niners loaded rosters over the last 5 years.

Can't argue with this. I just think Jed has every right to stick with Shanahan and lynch

I agree with this.

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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Charlie is incorrect saying the OT decision was brought up because someone wanted to justify Kyle's decision to 'receive' as right. It was brought up by DrL, who again tried to claim that Kyle was playing for a 3rd possession.

The argument isn't that the decision was 'right'. I also would have kicked. The argument is the decision is 50/50, as the early results and analytics models indicate. There isn't an inherent advantage to kick. Ideally whenever you get the ball you score a TD, and you get a stop when you're on defense. That's where we failed.

It's a tired argument, like many in this thread.

Pretty sure this is the post that started it on page 5759

Originally posted by libertyforever:

The Broncos won yesterday via their second OT possession. The Bills deferred and never got their 2nd possession.
The Rams also won today via their second OT possession. The Bears deferred and never got their 2nd possession.

For whatever reason KS and his team just weren't as buttoned up and mentally and prepared to beat the Chiefs in both SB's. He did a great job coaching this year. But all his dealings in personnel matters hopefully have been restricted especially after this BA debacle. Or, if we had a clear idea on who is making the drafting decisions things would be cleaner to evaluate. Whoever has been responsible for many recent draft reaches needs to reassigned or let go ASAP.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Pretty sure this is the post that started it on page 5759

You may be right, my bad. I didn't read the 10 previous pages before DrL made the claim that Kyle was playing for a 3rd possession. That was the subject of our argument (which was what I was focused on obviously.)

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

That was a record setting offense. Picking off the qb twice and holding them to 3 scores is shutting them down. Different gameplans for a read option qb compared to Luck/Manning/Brady. They were focused on pass more than run

That defense didn't become elite until Aldon teamed up with Justin and we had an elite pass rush. Without that defense wasn't elite anymore. Great Lbs can't make up for no pass rush and no secondary

Agree with the point that our defense was banged up through the stretch run. They basically broke in the 2nd half of the Patriots game. Our offense carried that team through the end of the season and the playoffs… which was one of the reasons the switch to Kaepernick was critical.

Disappointing SB loss obviously. Ran into a hot team and we couldn't stop them on defense throughout the bulk of the game, and our offense was disjointed early.

And the offense was enough to carry the defense again, but we gave up a kick return that day. If Kyle scored that much in a SB and lost with an injured defense and kick return the excuses would be endless

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
Kick returns remove an offensive drive.

Manning threw for almost 300 yards 3 TDs. Just because he got turnover happy like he tends to do doesn't mean that defense was shutting him down in the least bit.

Andrew Luck as a rookie with no running game doesn't mean a thing. Shutting down Brady as the Pats put up almost 100 more yards than Baltimore that day missing Gronk who was the key part of their offense, so impressive and totally not a reflection of the Pats turning it over 3 times.

Ravens were weak against the run, giving up over 100 yards in each of those "shutdown" games you're talking about and we come in with one of the best OLs in the game with Frank Gore and Kap running all over people...but sure that defense was built to stop us.

Pretending that a defense with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman is somehow doomed because two pass rushers are banged up is exactly what you're claiming other people are doing...an excuse.

That was a record setting offense. Picking off the qb twice and holding them to 3 scores is shutting them down. Different gameplans for a read option qb compared to Luck/Manning/Brady. They were focused on pass more than run

That defense didn't become elite until Aldon teamed up with Justin and we had an elite pass rush. Without that defense wasn't elite anymore. Great Lbs can't make up for no pass rush and no secondary

No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that we were built to beat that defense. They were weak vs the run and we had one of the best rushing offenses in the league, especially once Kap took over for Alex. Dominant 2 TE set, great OL.

Special teams return TDs eliminate an offensive drive. Turnovers, especially when they bounce of WRs hands don't translate to dominance. That's luck.

Also getting to play Manning and that offense in cold weather...where Peyton routinely struggled is also a plus.

There was a reason 49ers were 5 point favorites going into that game. We should've won that game and the fact that it took something crazy like a blackout to even make it close vs a blowout loss is an epic fail.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Proabably true. But I would argue many coaches would have won at least 1 Super Bowl with the niners loaded rosters over the last 5 years.

Can't argue with this. I just think Jed has every right to stick with Shanahan and lynch

You can't argue with it because it's a hypothetical take. He can't prove he's right just like I can't prove he's wrong. That's why most of us don't like to deal with hypotheticals.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
The OT in the SB stuff has been brought up in this thread consistently since it happened. We've done that song and dance so many times and I can assure you that 2 years later nothing will change.

I can sit back and say that I felt the better decision was to receive while also acknowledging that here was clear logic behind taking the ball first based on that specific game. What happened in the other games this weekend doesn't change that.

We still have people to this day claiming Shanahan didn't know the rules. That's how absurd we want to get here to knock the guy. There are real issues to address and talk about with Kyle without making up things that simply aren't issues.

Charlie is incorrect saying the OT decision was brought up because someone wanted to justify Kyle's decision to 'receive' as right. It was brought up by DrL, who again tried to claim that Kyle was playing for a 3rd possession.

The argument isn't that the decision was 'right'. I also would have kicked. The argument is the decision is 50/50, as the early results and analytics models indicate. There isn't an inherent advantage to kick. Ideally whenever you get the ball you score a TD, and you get a stop when you're on defense. That's where we failed.

It's a tired argument, like many in this thread.

Yet, despite the analytics, no other team has taken the ball first. Crazy

1. It was the first time those rules played out if i'm not mistaken
2. Each game is it's own beast. Chiefs hadn't scored a TD in 6 quarters of football when not handed the ball inside the opponents 20 yard line.
3. Our defense was getting their ass handed to them in that 4th quarter, already blowing 2 leads.
4. Let it go.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Kick returns remove an offensive drive.

Manning threw for almost 300 yards 3 TDs. Just because he got turnover happy like he tends to do doesn't mean that defense was shutting him down in the least bit.

Andrew Luck as a rookie with no running game doesn't mean a thing. Shutting down Brady as the Pats put up almost 100 more yards than Baltimore that day missing Gronk who was the key part of their offense, so impressive and totally not a reflection of the Pats turning it over 3 times.

Ravens were weak against the run, giving up over 100 yards in each of those "shutdown" games you're talking about and we come in with one of the best OLs in the game with Frank Gore and Kap running all over people...but sure that defense was built to stop us.

Pretending that a defense with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman is somehow doomed because two pass rushers are banged up is exactly what you're claiming other people are doing...an excuse.

That was a record setting offense. Picking off the qb twice and holding them to 3 scores is shutting them down. Different gameplans for a read option qb compared to Luck/Manning/Brady. They were focused on pass more than run

That defense didn't become elite until Aldon teamed up with Justin and we had an elite pass rush. Without that defense wasn't elite anymore. Great Lbs can't make up for no pass rush and no secondary

No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that we were built to beat that defense. They were weak vs the run and we had one of the best rushing offenses in the league, especially once Kap took over for Alex. Dominant 2 TE set, great OL.

Special teams return TDs eliminate an offensive drive. Turnovers, especially when they bounce of WRs hands don't translate to dominance. That's luck.

Also getting to play Manning and that offense in cold weather...where Peyton routinely struggled is also a plus.

There was a reason 49ers were 5 point favorites going into that game. We should've won that game and the fact that it took something crazy like a blackout to even make it close vs a blowout loss is an epic fail.

The offense was fine. They scored more than the Peyton offense did. You guys would be calling for Kyle's gold jacket if he did that