49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Sometimes coachs, like players, need a fresh start. Andy Reid coached a lifetime in Philadelphia, bring countless participation trophies to a franchise that had done squat before that. And they let him go and he went on to win 3 SBs on another team. But guess what ? The team that fired him won two with two different coaches. Can't be scared to let go of a player or coach bc you're afraid of what they may or may not do on another team. You have to put your own team first. At this point, Kyle Shanahan has become the Andy Reid of the Philadelphia Eagles.

What did Andy change in KC with his fresh start?

How's the fresh start from Marv Levy work out?

He lucked into a top 3 QB of all time and along with that came the coddling from the refs.

That's literally it.

There's a reason Reid's ceiling was exactly the same as it was with the Eagles when he had Alex Smith, and there's a reason his team fell apart in February of last year and this season the moment the refs actually called fair penalties against them.

The people saying Kyle is the old Reid are basically saying we need to either fire Kyle or trade our entire farm for Joe Burrow. Which are both completely asinine decisions that would crumble this team back into the 2000's.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Proabably true. But I would argue many coaches would have won at least 1 Super Bowl with the niners loaded rosters over the last 5 years.

Thought the personnel guys were awful?

When you inherit 2 dlineman in Buckner and armstead and have nick bosa there for the third pick you're going to have a loaded defense. It would have been better had they not whiffed on Reuben foster or Solomon Thomas.

so yeah they had a loaded roster. But it could have been so much better. Especially if they didn't wait for Kirk cousins.

Really? Guess it's easy to forget how things went down back then but problem for you is some of us still remember.

Buckner and Armstead together produced a defense that was dead last in the NFL and historically bad vs the run. Also the majority of people here wanted Saleh gone after 2018. So no, it wasn't a slam dunk to have a loaded defense

Must be nice to be able to use hindsight to build your fantasy roster.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They won a playoff game every year from 08-12 with Flacco. They were a Lee Evans drop away from going to the SB the year before. That was a great team overall and they had a QB playing like Joe Montana in the 2012 playoffs. They weren't some terrible team lol

Then after they had one playoff appearance the next 5. The 12 team was an aging team that had no business going as far as they did. Worst SB winner of the century.

Who cares what happened after lol. They were a contender for years and got it done on their last ride with the best statistical qb performance all time in the playoffs. Kyle loses to a qb who throws a pick every time they play

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Do we all agree that Kyle needs to focus on X's and O's, and this organization needs to radically revamp its approach to scouting / drafting / recruiting / roster management?

I will agree with that. I believe that is a real blind spot for Kyle outside of maybe WRs. It's been a while since we drafted a guy we know Kyle pounded the table for who was an impact player not at the WR position.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They won a playoff game every year from 08-12 with Flacco. They were a Lee Evans drop away from going to the SB the year before. That was a great team overall and they had a QB playing like Joe Montana in the 2012 playoffs. They weren't some terrible team lol

Then after they had one playoff appearance the next 5. The 12 team was an aging team that had no business going as far as they did. Worst SB winner of the century.

Who cares what happened after lol. They were a contender for years and got it done on their last ride with the best statistical qb performance all time in the playoffs. Kyle loses to a qb who throws a pick every time they play

Harbaugh never even got a lead in a SB we were heavy favorites in. We were dead last in the NFL in injuries that year. Virtually the whole week 1 squad playing in the SB.

We never saw a lead and needed an act of god to even make it close.

I don't want to hear anyone trying to pretend Harbaugh gave us a real chance to win that game.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They won a playoff game every year from 08-12 with Flacco. They were a Lee Evans drop away from going to the SB the year before. That was a great team overall and they had a QB playing like Joe Montana in the 2012 playoffs. They weren't some terrible team lol

Then after they had one playoff appearance the next 5. The 12 team was an aging team that had no business going as far as they did. Worst SB winner of the century.

Who cares what happened after lol. They were a contender for years and got it done on their last ride with the best statistical qb performance all time in the playoffs. Kyle loses to a qb who throws a pick every time they play

Harbaugh never even got a lead in a SB we were heavy favorites in. We were dead last in the NFL in injuries that year. Virtually the whole week 1 squad playing in the SB.

We never saw a lead and needed an act of god to even make it close.

I don't want to hear anyone trying to pretend Harbaugh gave us a real chance to win that game.

Hindsight is 20/20 and it's now obvious we shouldn't have been favored. They had SB Joe reincarnated at Qb and a defense shutting down HOF QBs. We had the read option and a defense that was injured and getting burned

The amount of excuses you guys would make for Harbaugh if his name was Kyle Shanahan would be through the roof. From Kyle Williams, to missing the holding call on the Jacoby Jones kick return, the excuses would be endless if his name were Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hindsight is 20/20 and it's now obvious we shouldn't have been favored. They had SB Joe reincarnated at Qb and a defense shutting down HOF QBs. We had the read option and a defense that was injured and getting burned

The amount of excuses you guys would make for Harbaugh if his name was Kyle Shanahan would be through the roof. From Kyle Williams, to missing the holding call on the Jacoby Jones kick return, the excuses would be endless if his name were Kyle Shanahan

You claim we make excuses while fluffing up the 2012 Ravens is hilarious. Shutting down HOF QBs...please.

Our defense started all of our week 1 starters. That's an excuse! Aldon Smith played 100% of our defensive snaps. Justin played 83% which isn't far off from his 87% average that season.

And hilarious how you're propping up Joe Flacco and that Ravens D but Patrick Mahomes is somehow a bum and the #2 Chiefs defense coached by Spags are nothing special, the way you're talking. Just an absurd narrative.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Hindsight is 20/20 and it's now obvious we shouldn't have been favored. They had SB Joe reincarnated at Qb and a defense shutting down HOF QBs. We had the read option and a defense that was injured and getting burned

The amount of excuses you guys would make for Harbaugh if his name was Kyle Shanahan would be through the roof. From Kyle Williams, to missing the holding call on the Jacoby Jones kick return, the excuses would be endless if his name were Kyle Shanahan

You claim we make excuses while fluffing up the 2012 Ravens is hilarious. Shutting down HOF QBs...please.

Our defense started all of our week 1 starters. That's an excuse! Aldon Smith played 100% of our defensive snaps. Justin played 83% which isn't far off from his 87% average that season.

And hilarious how you're propping up Joe Flacco and that Ravens D but Patrick Mahomes is somehow a bum and the #2 Chiefs defense coached by Spags are nothing special, the way you're talking. Just an absurd narrative.

You're being disingenuous. You know Justin and Aldon both needed surgery after the season, and they were the key to our dominant defense

Feel free to post the numbers of the HOf QBs they shutdown. Laughing about it doesn't change the fact that they did it

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Sometimes coachs, like players, need a fresh start. Andy Reid coached a lifetime in Philadelphia, bring countless participation trophies to a franchise that had done squat before that. And they let him go and he went on to win 3 SBs on another team. But guess what ? The team that fired him won two with two different coaches. Can't be scared to let go of a player or coach bc you're afraid of what they may or may not do on another team. You have to put your own team first. At this point, Kyle Shanahan has become the Andy Reid of the Philadelphia Eagles.

What did Andy change in KC with his fresh start?

How's the fresh start from Marv Levy work out?

He won 3 Super Bowls ! Who cares what he did an didn't do in year 1 and 2. He made that franchise a household name. He drafted Patrick Mahomes. End of story.

my god the lengths you guys go to bring down coaches to Kyle's level. McVay gets no credit for a SB win because he lost one with Goff and he only won one bc he had Stafford and he faced the Bengals. Andy Reid gets no credit because he couldn't get SB in year 1 and 2 with Alex Smith and just "lucked" into drafting Mahomes. Where are we going with this discussion ? Are we putting asterisks on head coaches now because they, according to you guys, are winning Super Bowls in spite of their coaching ?! Meanwhile, we're giving Kyle Shanahan all the credit in the world for taking teams to the playoffs with a fully healthy and/or fully injured roster despite not winning a Super Bowl ? No consistency in your arguments. As I've said over an over, Kyle Shanahan is not the be all end all for this franchise. The sooner we realize this the sooner this franchise gets to number 6. In the meantime be content with the regular season wins and constant heartbreakers when the going gets tough in the postseason.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hindsight is 20/20 and it's now obvious we shouldn't have been favored. They had SB Joe reincarnated at Qb and a defense shutting down HOF QBs. We had the read option and a defense that was injured and getting burned

The amount of excuses you guys would make for Harbaugh if his name was Kyle Shanahan would be through the roof. From Kyle Williams, to missing the holding call on the Jacoby Jones kick return, the excuses would be endless if his name were Kyle Shanahan

You claim we make excuses while fluffing up the 2012 Ravens is hilarious. Shutting down HOF QBs...please.

Our defense started all of our week 1 starters. That's an excuse! Aldon Smith played 100% of our defensive snaps. Justin played 83% which isn't far off from his 87% average that season.

And hilarious how you're propping up Joe Flacco and that Ravens D but Patrick Mahomes is somehow a bum and the #2 Chiefs defense coached by Spags are nothing special, the way you're talking. Just an absurd narrative.

You're being disingenuous. You know Justin and Aldon both needed surgery after the season, and they were the key to our dominant defense

Feel free to post the numbers of the HOf QBs they shutdown. Laughing about it doesn't change the fact that they did it

I already covered this with you why do I need to do it again? Denver scored 35 points...do you know what shutting down means? The Ravens were incredibly lucky to even make it out of that game.

As for being disingenuous...they played. There were several other impact players on that defense. You want to act like 49ers under Kyle didn't have guys playing injured? Somehow you don't bring those up as reasons why they under performed. Almost like a double standard?

Lost Ferrell going into the playoffs. No Hufanga. Greenlaw tore his achilles playing just 15% of his snaps. Armstead played through a serious meniscus tear but once again you don't care about those.

Yet it was Harbaugh's defense that was injured

Guess Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Donte Whitner, Dashon Goldson, Carlos Rogers and Tarrell Brown weren't good enough to help out while the Smith's weren't at 100%.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Proabably true. But I would argue many coaches would have won at least 1 Super Bowl with the niners loaded rosters over the last 5 years.

Thought the personnel guys were awful?

When you inherit 2 dlineman in Buckner and armstead and have nick bosa there for the third pick you're going to have a loaded defense. It would have been better had they not whiffed on Reuben foster or Solomon Thomas.

so yeah they had a loaded roster. But it could have been so much better. Especially if they didn't wait for Kirk cousins.

Really? Guess it's easy to forget how things went down back then but problem for you is some of us still remember.

Buckner and Armstead together produced a defense that was dead last in the NFL and historically bad vs the run. Also the majority of people here wanted Saleh gone after 2018. So no, it wasn't a slam dunk to have a loaded defense

Must be nice to be able to use hindsight to build your fantasy roster.

lol right? That 2016 team was a burning dumpster fire. Virtually the entire roster minus a few holdovers like Buckner, Armstead, Ward and Staley were replaced in the next couple of years.

Originally posted by genus49:

I already covered this with you why do I need to do it again? Denver scored 35 points...do you know what shutting down means? The Ravens were incredibly lucky to even make it out of that game.

As for being disingenuous...they played. There were several other impact players on that defense. You want to act like 49ers under Kyle didn't have guys playing injured? Somehow you don't bring those up as reasons why they under performed. Almost like a double standard?

Lost Ferrell going into the playoffs. No Hufanga. Greenlaw tore his achilles playing just 15% of his snaps. Armstead played through a serious meniscus tear but once again you don't care about those.

Yet it was Harbaugh's defense that was injured

Guess Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Donte Whitner, Dashon Goldson, Carlos Rogers and Tarrell Brown weren't good enough to help out while the Smith's weren't at 100%.

You continue to ignore the kick returns lol. That was an all time offense with an all time qb, and they still couldn't beat that "terrible" team with the help of 2 kick returns

That entire secondary couldn't cover at any point in their career lmao. The whole defense hinged on our pass rush, which was ineffective due to playing while injured. You guys would never stop taking about those injuries and how it affected our defense if Kyle was the coach.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Proabably true. But I would argue many coaches would have won at least 1 Super Bowl with the niners loaded rosters over the last 5 years.

Thought the personnel guys were awful?

When you inherit 2 dlineman in Buckner and armstead and have nick bosa there for the third pick you're going to have a loaded defense. It would have been better had they not whiffed on Reuben foster or Solomon Thomas.

so yeah they had a loaded roster. But it could have been so much better. Especially if they didn't wait for Kirk cousins.

Really? Guess it's easy to forget how things went down back then but problem for you is some of us still remember.

Buckner and Armstead together produced a defense that was dead last in the NFL and historically bad vs the run. Also the majority of people here wanted Saleh gone after 2018. So no, it wasn't a slam dunk to have a loaded defense

Must be nice to be able to use hindsight to build your fantasy roster.

lol right? That 2016 team was a burning dumpster fire. Virtually the entire roster minus a few holdovers like Buckner, Armstead, Ward and Staley were replaced in the next couple of years.

I swear these guys really just throwing things out there and hoping people don't either remember or won't fact check.

Not to mention 49ers got A grades virtually across the board for that Thomas/Foster 1st round haul.

Originally posted by genus49:
The OT in the SB stuff has been brought up in this thread consistently since it happened. We've done that song and dance so many times and I can assure you that 2 years later nothing will change.

I can sit back and say that I felt the better decision was to receive while also acknowledging that here was clear logic behind taking the ball first based on that specific game. What happened in the other games this weekend doesn't change that.

We still have people to this day claiming Shanahan didn't know the rules. That's how absurd we want to get here to knock the guy. There are real issues to address and talk about with Kyle without making up things that simply aren't issues.

Charlie is incorrect saying the OT decision was brought up because someone wanted to justify Kyle's decision to 'receive' as right. It was brought up by DrL, who again tried to claim that Kyle was playing for a 3rd possession.

The argument isn't that the decision was 'right'. I also would have kicked. The argument is the decision is 50/50, as the early results and analytics models indicate. There isn't an inherent advantage to kick. Ideally whenever you get the ball you score a TD, and you get a stop when you're on defense. That's where we failed.

It's a tired argument, like many in this thread.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
I already covered this with you why do I need to do it again? Denver scored 35 points...do you know what shutting down means? The Ravens were incredibly lucky to even make it out of that game.

As for being disingenuous...they played. There were several other impact players on that defense. You want to act like 49ers under Kyle didn't have guys playing injured? Somehow you don't bring those up as reasons why they under performed. Almost like a double standard?

Lost Ferrell going into the playoffs. No Hufanga. Greenlaw tore his achilles playing just 15% of his snaps. Armstead played through a serious meniscus tear but once again you don't care about those.

Yet it was Harbaugh's defense that was injured

Guess Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Donte Whitner, Dashon Goldson, Carlos Rogers and Tarrell Brown weren't good enough to help out while the Smith's weren't at 100%.

You continue to ignore the kick returns lol. That was an all time offense with an all time qb, and they still couldn't beat that "terrible" team with the help of 2 kick returns

That entire secondary couldn't cover at any point in their career lmao. The whole defense hinged on our pass rush, which was ineffective due to playing while injured. You guys would never stop taking about those injuries and how it affected our defense if Kyle was the coach.

Kick returns remove an offensive drive.

Manning threw for almost 300 yards 3 TDs. Just because he got turnover happy like he tends to do doesn't mean that defense was shutting him down in the least bit.

Andrew Luck as a rookie with no running game doesn't mean a thing. Shutting down Brady as the Pats put up almost 100 more yards than Baltimore that day missing Gronk who was the key part of their offense, so impressive and totally not a reflection of the Pats turning it over 3 times.

Ravens were weak against the run, giving up over 100 yards in each of those "shutdown" games you're talking about and we come in with one of the best OLs in the game with Frank Gore and Kap running all over people...but sure that defense was built to stop us.

Pretending that a defense with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman is somehow doomed because two pass rushers are banged up is exactly what you're claiming other people are doing...an excuse.