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Originally posted by TD49ers:
Those that claim objectivity arent. Any question of Shannys decision making or critique of his coaching comes with an avalanche of excuses, ya buts and denial. It as if the "Everything is Awesome" lego song is on closed loop in their mind. The expectation after 11 years isnt SB its relavancy. Shanny has been the coach for 11 years . His record is his record. Some good and some bad. Just dont mentioned the bad or else.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Those that claim objectivity arent. Any question of Shannys decision making or critique of his coaching comes with an avalanche of excuses, ya buts and denial. It as if the "Everything is Awesome" lego song is on closed loop in their mind. The expectation after 11 years isnt SB its relavancy. Shanny has been the coach for 11 years . His record is his record. Some good and some bad. Just dont mentioned the bad or else.
He has not been the coach for 11 years.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Lol..Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Those that claim objectivity arent. Any question of Shannys decision making or critique of his coaching comes with an avalanche of excuses, ya buts and denial. It as if the "Everything is Awesome" lego song is on closed loop in their mind. The expectation after 11 years isnt SB its relavancy. Shanny has been the coach for 11 years . His record is his record. Some good and some bad. Just dont mentioned the bad or else.
He has not been the coach for 11 years.
Lol..Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by DrEll:
The genuine point is that you can't make an argument for every single mishap that happens to the team as the sole reasons for their losses. This year the argument is that LB 1 and DE 1 both HOF caliber players went down so we can't win. Fine. But then you go back to 2023 where LB 1 and DE 1 are both on the field healthy, so now you blame LB 2 and OL 5 getting hurt and that's why we couldn't win.
Maybe your coach learns from his mistakes and realizes that the roster is so top heavy that any injury to one of your starters makes you go from favorite to lucky we even got in to the playoffs. Last year everyone pointed to CMC being hurt, so we go out and get BRob who doesn't even see the field.
You can't keep using the same excuses in loops to downplay Shanahan's role in this. God forbid next year CMC falls apart because his legs are done. Or another cog on defense goes down. Are you going to roll with the "aw shucks wait until next year guys when Kyle has his team at full throttle" ? Try something else. We had AMPLE opportunities to put away the Chiefs in both Superbowls. Kyle shat the bed both times. And you guys will go into micromanage mode and blame broken plays and players fault for everything, not acknowledging that Kyle had the opportunity to call a different play or make a different decision and maybe the outcome is different.
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
I don't know think anyone thinks Kyle is solely at fault. I think the argument is that he deserves just as much blame as the players. That's what you guys fail to acknowledge. You point to all the issues but can't seem to bro no yourselves to admit that Kyle made some questionable decisions in a game where Kelce almost go into a fist fight with his head coach. It's the "play not to lose" mentality that has always bogged Kyle down and contributes to his downfall in big games….
Gaslight much? You've blamed the man for some insane things in this very thread.
But no he shouldn't get as much blame as the players if the more critical mistakes in the game are due to what the players do than the scheme/coaching decisions.
Example:
Harbaugh calling a timeout right before a likely game leading TD - coaching. Both in him killing the play but also in his desire to wait til the clock ran down to snap the ball most times as well as his insistence to include 3 guys on goal line related playcalls.
Harbaugh allowing the fade call to Crabtree on 4th down. - coaching. Dialing up a 4th down play where you only have one target and likely on a contested catch is not giving your players the best chance at success.
Purdy not throwing to Aiyuk after the 2 min warning - player. He makes the wrong read and throws to Jennings and blitzing corner bats the ball down. If he makes the right read and throws to Aiyuk it's a first down, 49ers can run the clock down and kick the SB winning FG.
Spencer Burford not blocking Chris Jones like his assignment says - player. Coach dials up a play where 2 WRs are open for the TD in OT. The guy filling in for the injured Feliciano(see how that plays a part) goes with his "gut" and lets their best pass rusher go free where Purdy has to throw the ball away so as not to risk a turnover in game leading FG range.
Those are literally the most impactful plays at the end of the 2012 and 2023 SBs.
That's why people call you out on your BS. Nobody here btw is saying Kyle is perfect at everything he does. There is real discussion that can be had about the real issues. You constantly going to extremes does nothing but rehash the same old BS.
Go watch the 3rd quarter of the SB after Lenore makes the pick on Mahomes. On KC side of the field. Tell me Kyle had nothing to do with what transpired after. Actually, don't tell me. I know where you're going to take this…
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The genuine point is that you can't make an argument for every single mishap that happens to the team as the sole reasons for their losses. This year the argument is that LB 1 and DE 1 both HOF caliber players went down so we can't win. Fine. But then you go back to 2023 where LB 1 and DE 1 are both on the field healthy, so now you blame LB 2 and OL 5 getting hurt and that's why we couldn't win.
Maybe your coach learns from his mistakes and realizes that the roster is so top heavy that any injury to one of your starters makes you go from favorite to lucky we even got in to the playoffs. Last year everyone pointed to CMC being hurt, so we go out and get BRob who doesn't even see the field.
You can't keep using the same excuses in loops to downplay Shanahan's role in this. God forbid next year CMC falls apart because his legs are done. Or another cog on defense goes down. Are you going to roll with the "aw shucks wait until next year guys when Kyle has his team at full throttle" ? Try something else. We had AMPLE opportunities to put away the Chiefs in both Superbowls. Kyle shat the bed both times. And you guys will go into micromanage mode and blame broken plays and players fault for everything, not acknowledging that Kyle had the opportunity to call a different play or make a different decision and maybe the outcome is different.
Yes. This is totally rational.
Forget that the plays were there to be made. A real HC would've known that his players wouldn't execute as designed on that play and call a different one!
Brilliant stuff.
And you wonder why people think you're trolling?
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The genuine point is that you can't make an argument for every single mishap that happens to the team as the sole reasons for their losses. This year the argument is that LB 1 and DE 1 both HOF caliber players went down so we can't win. Fine. But then you go back to 2023 where LB 1 and DE 1 are both on the field healthy, so now you blame LB 2 and OL 5 getting hurt and that's why we couldn't win.
Maybe your coach learns from his mistakes and realizes that the roster is so top heavy that any injury to one of your starters makes you go from favorite to lucky we even got in to the playoffs. Last year everyone pointed to CMC being hurt, so we go out and get BRob who doesn't even see the field.
You can't keep using the same excuses in loops to downplay Shanahan's role in this. God forbid next year CMC falls apart because his legs are done. Or another cog on defense goes down. Are you going to roll with the "aw shucks wait until next year guys when Kyle has his team at full throttle" ? Try something else. We had AMPLE opportunities to put away the Chiefs in both Superbowls. Kyle shat the bed both times. And you guys will go into micromanage mode and blame broken plays and players fault for everything, not acknowledging that Kyle had the opportunity to call a different play or make a different decision and maybe the outcome is different.
Yes. This is totally rational.
Forget that the plays were there to be made. A real HC would've known that his players wouldn't execute as designed on that play and call a different one!
Brilliant stuff.
And you wonder why people think you're trolling?
Originally posted by genus49:
As soon as you show me where Lenore(or Lenoir) makes a pick on Mahomes in that game I'll answer your other question.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Thanks Shannybot.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Thanks Shannybot.
I see the long timeout helped you come back ready to really contribute to some good discussions.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The only real flaw in Kyle's record, and it's a big one is his W-L record when trailing by 7 or more at halftime. He hasn't shown that he can make adjustments when his teams fall behind. It's not all on him but as HC he has to acknowledge that he hasn't done well when trailing entering the 2nd half.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The only real flaw in Kyle's record, and it's a big one is his W-L record when trailing by 7 or more at halftime. He hasn't shown that he can make adjustments when his teams fall behind. It's not all on him but as HC he has to acknowledge that he hasn't done well when trailing entering the 2nd half.
Ooh.....their coming.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by genus49:
As soon as you show me where Lenore(or Lenoir) makes a pick on Mahomes in that game I'll answer your other question.
He watched the game with a keen eye.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The only real flaw in Kyle's record, and it's a big one is his W-L record when trailing by 7 or more at halftime. He hasn't shown that he can make adjustments when his teams fall behind. It's not all on him but as HC he has to acknowledge that he hasn't done well when trailing entering the 2nd half.
Ooh.....their coming.
Let em come. I'm a Shanahan fan but if anyone including Kyle can't acknowledge that it's an issue then they have a problem. I don't know if it's anything he can fix since he believes in his system and hasn't shown he can change things up easily.