49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

As a newish member, this thread is very helpful in telling me who I should block.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
But as posted numerous times, we have one of the greatest coaches in the league. So we gave that coach a loaded roster. Why couldn't we win it all in 2023 ? Are we arguing that losing linebacker number 2 was all it took for the team to fall apart ? Seriously ?

They fell apart? Game went to overtime.

Brock hits Aiyuk against the blitz and they are kicking a game winning fg in regulation.

I'd argue that there were also other uncharacteristic plays by a lot of good players. CMAC's fumble, Trent's two consecutive penalties, Burford's inability to even stand in front of Chris Jones.

And also his terrible luck with the punt landing directly on Luter's heel.

It was a team loss in a game decided by the narrowest of margins. The revisionist history that Kyle is solely at fault has been litigated on these forums to death. Never do I hear the brilliance of a trick play where his WR throws a TD pass, but instead the insistence to harp on 50/50 decision to receive the ball in OT after his defense was gassed. Such bad faithed b******t.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

LB 2 and subpar OLineman. Got it. Maybe the water boy broke a fingernail and that contributed. If you can't coach a contingency plan for LB 2, then you're not doing a good job at your job.

I agree. Thats a weak argument.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
But as posted numerous times, we have one of the greatest coaches in the league. So we gave that coach a loaded roster. Why couldn't we win it all in 2023 ? Are we arguing that losing linebacker number 2 was all it took for the team to fall apart ? Seriously ?

They fell apart? Game went to overtime.

Brock hits Aiyuk against the blitz and they are kicking a game winning fg in regulation.

I'd argue that there were also other uncharacteristic plays by a lot of good players. CMAC's fumble, Trent's two consecutive penalties, Burford's inability to even stand in front of Chris Jones.

And also his terrible luck with the punt landing directly on Luter's heel.

It was a team loss in a game decided by the narrowest of margins. The revisionist history that Kyle is solely at fault has been litigated on these forums to death. Never do I hear the brilliance of a trick play where his WR throws a TD pass, but instead the insistence to harp on 50/50 decision to receive the ball in OT after his defense was gassed. Such bad faithed b******t.

I don't know think anyone thinks Kyle is solely at fault. I think the argument is that he deserves just as much blame as the players. That's what you guys fail to acknowledge. You point to all the issues but can't seem to bro no yourselves to admit that Kyle made some questionable decisions in a game where Kelce almost go into a fist fight with his head coach. It's the "play not to lose" mentality that has always bogged Kyle down and contributes to his downfall in big games….

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

LB 2 and subpar OLineman. Got it. Maybe the water boy broke a fingernail and that contributed. If you can't coach a contingency plan for LB 2, then you're not doing a good job at your job.

Once again you're either a troll or a casual. There is no inbetween with responses like that.

We all watched that game. I know you're aware of the issues each of those injuries presented so you're playing dumb just to keep a stupid argument going in circles.

The first time you have a genuine point to make on this forum will be your first one.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You don't come into a niner forum and make that argument. This franchise and fans pride themselves on the superbowls won. There is a history we are proud of. Making statements that superbowls don't matter will just piss people on here off. If you want to argue individual stats matter more then you're s**tting on this teams history. There's only one goal for a head coach. And that's to win a Super Bowl.

Have to disagree with you a bit there. The thing that made the 49ers special is that they had never lost a Super Bowl, until Harbaugh and Kaepernick came along. When we got there, we won, that's what made it unique. and gave us our bragging rights. Once that streak was broken, we're just another team competing for the prize every year. I always root for them to make it there again and win, but it just hasn't been the same since 2012. Just my take, I'm not going to argue it with anyone so you can view it however you like.

I think that's why I have a hard time letting that 2012 SB go.

The undefeated streak at stake, my first SB as an adult and in my head I was already celebrating. I simply didn't see any way the Ravens would beat us. I felt we were better almost across the board. We were healthy. I couldn't wait to buy the SB merch and wear it around Boston proudly.

That L hit me like a brick. On top of it I got sick and had to deal with a s**t customer who caused me to miss a fun work meeting. So I just have horrible memories of that game and everything around it.

The recent SB losses obviously stung like crazy as well but no SB streak to worry about and losing to Andy Reid/Spags coaching combo with Mahomes as the QB is a lot easier to take in than losing to that Ravens team with Joe Flacco.

And yet some of these anti Kyle dudes will still tell you straight faced that Jim Harbaugh is the better coach.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
I know we're called whiners, but I think we all know deep down that the Niners would have at least 1 SB since 2019 but for the referees. Our teams had the brutal luck of running into one of the most egregiously favored teams in league history.

2023 was brutal. There's an entire video showing Chiefs OL literally tackling 49ers players. On that OT drive, Jerick McKinnon speared Fred Warner on a 3rd down. It was disgusting. Our strength was neutralized because of something the officials just didn't want to call.

It really freaking sucks.

I try to stay away from the refs but the fact they didn't call the many egregious holding calls is wild.

im not a fan of ticky tack calls, but I think egregious ones should always be called. Especially when it's constantly happening.

I don't think games are "rigged" but I def think the nfl tries to influence them in a certain direction by having the refs favor certain things for one team. 2023, they wanted to rake it in with TS - and they did. We made a bunch of mistakes in that game but the refs def weren't giving us any breaks.

Not to rehash those bad memories but I always felt the officiating in 2019 cut our legs from under us before the game even started.

When you turn a blind eye to clear and obvious holding by the OL who does that help?
The team built on the back of their pass rush or the team built on the strength of their deep passing game?

Not to mention the only post snap penalties called in that whole game were on the 49ers. The ticky tacky OPI on Kittle which would've had us in FG range and also ticky tacky DPI on Moore giving them an easy TD.

Meanwhile that whole 3rd and 17 drive KC is holding like crazy, no call on Jimmy G getting hit in the head. Just one sided and that KC team was too good to get help. I don't think it's a coincidence that they're 3-0 in SBs where refs don't call offensive holding on them. We're the chumps who got the short straw on two of those.

I just don't blame the officiating for the 2023 loss because we had so many chances to win that game.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You don't come into a niner forum and make that argument. This franchise and fans pride themselves on the superbowls won. There is a history we are proud of. Making statements that superbowls don't matter will just piss people on here off. If you want to argue individual stats matter more then you're s**tting on this teams history. There's only one goal for a head coach. And that's to win a Super Bowl.

Have to disagree with you a bit there. The thing that made the 49ers special is that they had never lost a Super Bowl, until Harbaugh and Kaepernick came along. When we got there, we won, that's what made it unique. and gave us our bragging rights. Once that streak was broken, we're just another team competing for the prize every year. I always root for them to make it there again and win, but it just hasn't been the same since 2012. Just my take, I'm not going to argue it with anyone so you can view it however you like.

A sb is a loss is a sb loss. Harbaugh went against a defense that shutdown Luck, Brady and Manning. His team put up 30 points

If you are mad at them, then you should hate Kyle

Shut down? You know people can look this up right?

First of all how disingenuous of you to just name the QBs like that should impress us just off names alone.

Luck was a rookie on a squad that really had nothing special on offense. They were 18th in points that season. Aging Reggie Wayne and rookie TY Hilton as their main weapons with no running game.

Manning...this is where the shut down thing is laughable. Most remember that game for a back and forth scoring fest. 35 points by Denver is shutting them down now? Yes 2 TDs were on special teams but Manning threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs. He was too busy turning the ball over to win that game, something Peyton was known to do. Ravens got incredibly lucky Denver misplayed a deep pass to Jacoby Jones with 40 seconds left to send it to OT.

Brady - arguably one of his worst offenses since 2007 missing their best player in Gronk.

That defense wasn't anything special and we were made to beat them. Kap being a hell of a lot more mobile than Manning and Brady and even Luck who had mobility wasn't using it to that level. Our running game and OL was also better than any of those teams.

The fact that we didn't score our first TD until after the blackout...yeah I'm mad at Harbaugh. We literally came out with an illegal formation penalty. 2 weeks to prep and come out sloppy out of the gate.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

Because the Chiefs are an all time team that happened to a play better on the day.

The play was pretty even. The coaching was not

Absolutely laughable take. Tell us more about Andy Reid's magic playbook. Did he lose it this season?

Originally posted by TD49ers:
So Shanys record trailing at halftime by 7+ since 2017 is beyond poor......how should we spin this?

Site your source.

Make sure to list other coaches in the same situation and feel free to include the QBs who have attempted those come backs.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Have to disagree with you a bit there. The thing that made the 49ers special is that they had never lost a Super Bowl, until Harbaugh and Kaepernick came along. When we got there, we won, that's what made it unique. and gave us our bragging rights. Once that streak was broken, we're just another team competing for the prize every year. I always root for them to make it there again and win, but it just hasn't been the same since 2012. Just my take, I'm not going to argue it with anyone so you can view it however you like.

I remember how heart broken I was when we lost that SB, cause we lost more than the chip, IMO. It sucked to have that L on our superbowl record. It suck's to have 3 now. lol but that first one really hurt the mystique of this organization, at least in my eyes. Is what it is - losing 3 straight has just made it not a big deal to lose them anymore. I'm totally used to losing NFCC and SB. lol anyone approx 30 and younger, that's all we know.

Agreed. I remember when they showed 5-0 (Invictus) on all the sites/papers back in the day. That was so badass!

Originally posted by DrEll:
I don't know think anyone thinks Kyle is solely at fault. I think the argument is that he deserves just as much blame as the players. That's what you guys fail to acknowledge. You point to all the issues but can't seem to bro no yourselves to admit that Kyle made some questionable decisions in a game where Kelce almost go into a fist fight with his head coach. It's the "play not to lose" mentality that has always bogged Kyle down and contributes to his downfall in big games….

Gaslight much? You've blamed the man for some insane things in this very thread.

But no he shouldn't get as much blame as the players if the more critical mistakes in the game are due to what the players do than the scheme/coaching decisions.

Example:
Harbaugh calling a timeout right before a likely game leading TD - coaching. Both in him killing the play but also in his desire to wait til the clock ran down to snap the ball most times as well as his insistence to include 3 guys on goal line related playcalls.

Harbaugh allowing the fade call to Crabtree on 4th down. - coaching. Dialing up a 4th down play where you only have one target and likely on a contested catch is not giving your players the best chance at success.

Purdy not throwing to Aiyuk after the 2 min warning - player. He makes the wrong read and throws to Jennings and blitzing corner bats the ball down. If he makes the right read and throws to Aiyuk it's a first down, 49ers can run the clock down and kick the SB winning FG.

Spencer Burford not blocking Chris Jones like his assignment says - player. Coach dials up a play where 2 WRs are open for the TD in OT. The guy filling in for the injured Feliciano(see how that plays a part) goes with his "gut" and lets their best pass rusher go free where Purdy has to throw the ball away so as not to risk a turnover in game leading FG range.

Those are literally the most impactful plays at the end of the 2012 and 2023 SBs.

That's why people call you out on your BS. Nobody here btw is saying Kyle is perfect at everything he does. There is real discussion that can be had about the real issues. You constantly going to extremes does nothing but rehash the same old BS.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

LB 2 and subpar OLineman. Got it. Maybe the water boy broke a fingernail and that contributed. If you can't coach a contingency plan for LB 2, then you're not doing a good job at your job.

Once again you're either a troll or a casual. There is no inbetween with responses like that.

We all watched that game. I know you're aware of the issues each of those injuries presented so you're playing dumb just to keep a stupid argument going in circles.

The first time you have a genuine point to make on this forum will be your first one.

The genuine point is that you can't make an argument for every single mishap that happens to the team as the sole reasons for their losses. This year the argument is that LB 1 and DE 1 both HOF caliber players went down so we can't win. Fine. But then you go back to 2023 where LB 1 and DE 1 are both on the field healthy, so now you blame LB 2 and OL 5 getting hurt and that's why we couldn't win.

Maybe your coach learns from his mistakes and realizes that the roster is so top heavy that any injury to one of your starters makes you go from favorite to lucky we even got in to the playoffs. Last year everyone pointed to CMC being hurt, so we go out and get BRob who doesn't even see the field.

You can't keep using the same excuses in loops to downplay Shanahan's role in this. God forbid next year CMC falls apart because his legs are done. Or another cog on defense goes down. Are you going to roll with the "aw shucks wait until next year guys when Kyle has his team at full throttle" ? Try something else. We had AMPLE opportunities to put away the Chiefs in both Superbowls. Kyle shat the bed both times. And you guys will go into micromanage mode and blame broken plays and players fault for everything, not acknowledging that Kyle had the opportunity to call a different play or make a different decision and maybe the outcome is different.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
I don't know think anyone thinks Kyle is solely at fault. I think the argument is that he deserves just as much blame as the players. That's what you guys fail to acknowledge. You point to all the issues but can't seem to bro no yourselves to admit that Kyle made some questionable decisions in a game where Kelce almost go into a fist fight with his head coach. It's the "play not to lose" mentality that has always bogged Kyle down and contributes to his downfall in big games….

Gaslight much? You've blamed the man for some insane things in this very thread.

But no he shouldn't get as much blame as the players if the more critical mistakes in the game are due to what the players do than the scheme/coaching decisions.

Example:
Harbaugh calling a timeout right before a likely game leading TD - coaching. Both in him killing the play but also in his desire to wait til the clock ran down to snap the ball most times as well as his insistence to include 3 guys on goal line related playcalls.

Harbaugh allowing the fade call to Crabtree on 4th down. - coaching. Dialing up a 4th down play where you only have one target and likely on a contested catch is not giving your players the best chance at success.

Purdy not throwing to Aiyuk after the 2 min warning - player. He makes the wrong read and throws to Jennings and blitzing corner bats the ball down. If he makes the right read and throws to Aiyuk it's a first down, 49ers can run the clock down and kick the SB winning FG.

Spencer Burford not blocking Chris Jones like his assignment says - player. Coach dials up a play where 2 WRs are open for the TD in OT. The guy filling in for the injured Feliciano(see how that plays a part) goes with his "gut" and lets their best pass rusher go free where Purdy has to throw the ball away so as not to risk a turnover in game leading FG range.

Those are literally the most impactful plays at the end of the 2012 and 2023 SBs.

That's why people call you out on your BS. Nobody here btw is saying Kyle is perfect at everything he does. There is real discussion that can be had about the real issues. You constantly going to extremes does nothing but rehash the same old BS.

Go watch the 3rd quarter of the SB after Lenore makes the pick on Mahomes. On KC side of the field. Tell me Kyle had nothing to do with what transpired after. Actually, don't tell me. I know where you're going to take this…

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
But as posted numerous times, we have one of the greatest coaches in the league. So we gave that coach a loaded roster. Why couldn't we win it all in 2023 ? Are we arguing that losing linebacker number 2 was all it took for the team to fall apart ? Seriously ?

They fell apart? Game went to overtime.

Brock hits Aiyuk against the blitz and they are kicking a game winning fg in regulation.

I'd argue that there were also other uncharacteristic plays by a lot of good players. CMAC's fumble, Trent's two consecutive penalties, Burford's inability to even stand in front of Chris Jones.

And also his terrible luck with the punt landing directly on Luter's heel.

It was a team loss in a game decided by the narrowest of margins. The revisionist history that Kyle is solely at fault has been litigated on these forums to death. Never do I hear the brilliance of a trick play where his WR throws a TD pass, but instead the insistence to harp on 50/50 decision to receive the ball in OT after his defense was gassed. Such bad faithed b******t.

I don't know think anyone thinks Kyle is solely at fault. I think the argument is that he deserves just as much blame as the players. That's what you guys fail to acknowledge. You point to all the issues but can't seem to bro no yourselves to admit that Kyle made some questionable decisions in a game where Kelce almost go into a fist fight with his head coach. It's the "play not to lose" mentality that has always bogged Kyle down and contributes to his downfall in big games….

Those that claim objectivity arent. Any question of Shannys decision making or critique of his coaching comes with an avalanche of excuses, ya buts and denial. It as if the "Everything is Awesome" lego song is on closed loop in their mind. The expectation after 11 years isnt SB its relavancy. Shanny has been the coach for 11 years . His record is his record. Some good and some bad. Just dont mentioned the bad or else.