49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Not better. But more successful.

I guess it depends how much you value winning Championships.

I don't view a player or coach as being better or worse just because of a SB.

imo it's not that cut and dry, there's a ton of nuance and I think it's lazy to say if you don't win a SB you're not good at what you do.

if that's your take then fine, I think more level headed people will disagree and making such a lopsided observation like Foles vs Marino is just one easy counterpoint as to why it's dumb to debate like that, again tons of holes.

imo if we had another HC (who hasn't won a SB) and Kyle was doing the same s**t elsewhere BUT all of sudden became available you and everyone else who's anti Kyle would want him here…your distain is emotional based more than anything else.

You don't come into a niner forum and make that argument. This franchise and fans pride themselves on the superbowls won. There is a history we are proud of. Making statements that superbowls don't matter will just piss people on here off. If you want to argue individual stats matter more then you're s**tting on this teams history. There's only one goal for a head coach. And that's to win a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You don't come into a niner forum and make that argument. This franchise and fans pride themselves on the superbowls won. There is a history we are proud of. Making statements that superbowls don't matter will just piss people on here off. If you want to argue individual stats matter more then you're s**tting on this teams history. There's only one goal for a head coach. And that's to win a Super Bowl.

He didn't say that Super Bowls don't matter, lol.

The argument is just because a player or a coach has a SB championship doesn't make that person better, or even necessarily more accomplished, than someone who doesn't because it is a team accomplishment that requires more than one person to achieve. It really is quite basic.

You need multiple things to win Super Bowl championships. You don't throw out key ingredients because you lack the other necessary ingredients.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You don't come into a niner forum and make that argument. This franchise and fans pride themselves on the superbowls won. There is a history we are proud of. Making statements that superbowls don't matter will just piss people on here off. If you want to argue individual stats matter more then you're s**tting on this teams history. There's only one goal for a head coach. And that's to win a Super Bowl.

He didn't say that Super Bowls don't matter, lol.

The argument is just because a player or a coach has a SB championship doesn't make that person better, or even necessarily more accomplished, than someone who doesn't because it is a team accomplishment that requires more than one person to achieve. It really is quite basic.

You need multiple things to win Super Bowl championships. You don't throw out key ingredients because you lack the other necessary ingredients.

That's true for players. Not for head coaches. No way.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
That's true for players. Not for head coaches. No way.

It's true for both. Coaches do not control the game with a joystick. They do not control decisions made by front offices, at least in most cases. They don't dictate injuries or luck either.

Every one of these things is a factor in winning and there's still more.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It's true for both. Coaches do not control the game with a joystick. They do not control decisions made by front offices, at least in most cases. They don't dictate injuries or luck either.

Every one of these things is a factor in winning and there's still more.

1000%. No one's saying Kyle is perfect but he's a top coach in the nfl. We all are frustrated that we haven't won a chip but that doesn't change the fact that Kyle is a top head coach. Only one champion a year and a lot more goes into it, than a chip, that determines being a great head coach or not.

Football has so many variables in every single play, every decision, every injury, every ref call, etc that impacts games.

if Kyle can just have a healthy roster, in relative nfl terms, he has a great chance to win it all. That's the most you can ask for. So much is out of Kyle's control - All you can ask is that he does everything a head coach can do to win it all, and he does that.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

Originally posted by genus49:
No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

ya losing Dre lost us the game

if the arguement going on here is KS is not a top coach in the league i dont know what to tell you i would like a list of those people so i can just disregard their football opinions

either you are clueless or you're just so bored you need to create an arguement on the internet for interaction

I know we're called whiners, but I think we all know deep down that the Niners would have at least 1 SB since 2019 but for the referees. Our teams had the brutal luck of running into one of the most egregiously favored teams in league history.

2023 was brutal. There's an entire video showing Chiefs OL literally tackling 49ers players. On that OT drive, Jerick McKinnon speared Fred Warner on a 3rd down. It was disgusting. Our strength was neutralized because of something the officials just didn't want to call.

It really freaking sucks.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

Cause winning games is hard. Especially when you're playing an All great qb, HC, & DC - that have been to, and won, several superbowls. Oh and don't forget that chiefs roster has all pros, pro bowlers, and HOF players.

I forgot it's Kyle's fault that CMC fumbled, it was Kyle's fault the RG messed up his assignment and let a HOF player free off the line, it's Kyle's fault Dre blew out his Achilles walking.

I'll never understand how so many people see the world black and white. It's insane. lol very few things are black and white, most are grey. Most have a ton of moving variables that impact each and everything.

once again, Kyle isn't perfect but he's a damn good coach. More than capable of taking us all the way.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Why didnt we win the Super Bowl in 2023 ? With a stacked roster and no injuries ?

No injuries? Dre Greenlaw and Feliciano would like a word.

It was our least injured season but those two injuries were both critical in the SB itself. Which given your need to only concentrate on that single game should matter.

LB 2 and subpar OLineman. Got it. Maybe the water boy broke a fingernail and that contributed. If you can't coach a contingency plan for LB 2, then you're not doing a good job at your job.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You don't come into a niner forum and make that argument. This franchise and fans pride themselves on the superbowls won. There is a history we are proud of. Making statements that superbowls don't matter will just piss people on here off. If you want to argue individual stats matter more then you're s**tting on this teams history. There's only one goal for a head coach. And that's to win a Super Bowl.

Have to disagree with you a bit there. The thing that made the 49ers special is that they had never lost a Super Bowl, until Harbaugh and Kaepernick came along. When we got there, we won, that's what made it unique. and gave us our bragging rights. Once that streak was broken, we're just another team competing for the prize every year. I always root for them to make it there again and win, but it just hasn't been the same since 2012. Just my take, I'm not going to argue it with anyone so you can view it however you like.

Originally posted by niner4life21:
I know we're called whiners, but I think we all know deep down that the Niners would have at least 1 SB since 2019 but for the referees. Our teams had the brutal luck of running into one of the most egregiously favored teams in league history.

2023 was brutal. There's an entire video showing Chiefs OL literally tackling 49ers players. On that OT drive, Jerick McKinnon speared Fred Warner on a 3rd down. It was disgusting. Our strength was neutralized because of something the officials just didn't want to call.

It really freaking sucks.

I try to stay away from the refs but the fact they didn't call the many egregious holding calls is wild.

im not a fan of ticky tack calls, but I think egregious ones should always be called. Especially when it's constantly happening.

I don't think games are "rigged" but I def think the nfl tries to influence them in a certain direction by having the refs favor certain things for one team. 2023, they wanted to rake it in with TS - and they did. We made a bunch of mistakes in that game but the refs def weren't giving us any breaks.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Have to disagree with you a bit there. The thing that made the 49ers special is that they had never lost a Super Bowl, until Harbaugh and Kaepernick came along. When we got there, we won, that's what made it unique. and gave us our bragging rights. Once that streak was broken, we're just another team competing for the prize every year. I always root for them to make it there again and win, but it just hasn't been the same since 2012. Just my take, I'm not going to argue it with anyone so you can view it however you like.

I remember how heart broken I was when we lost that SB, cause we lost more than the chip, IMO. It sucked to have that L on our superbowl record. It suck's to have 3 now. lol but that first one really hurt the mystique of this organization, at least in my eyes. Is what it is - losing 3 straight has just made it not a big deal to lose them anymore. I'm totally used to losing NFCC and SB. lol anyone approx 30 and younger, that's all we know.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I remember how heart broken I was when we lost that SB, cause we lost more than the chip, IMO. It sucked to have that L on our superbowl record. It suck's to have 3 now. lol but that first one really hurt the mystique of this organization, at least in my eyes. Is what it is - losing 3 straight has just made it not a big deal to lose them anymore. I'm totally used to losing NFCC and SB. lol anyone approx 30 and younger, that's all we know.

For me, the conference championship losses 'hurt' just as much We have a ton of those.

I look at our SB record as 5-54.