49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yes, he's coaching well this year. But does that excuse all the other past mistakes?

I can see you're really making yourself at home in this thread, just like you took over the Lynch thread .

have you ever considered the things that Kyle does well? He's certainly not perfect, no coach is. Kyle has his issues, but his qualities far, far outweigh his issues.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

It doesn't work that way around here. We aren't supposed to criticize a coach or player until they are gone.

lol you guys are hilarious. Just complete lack of awareness.

You weren't around for that thread but DrEll put many a post in the rebuild or retool thread that was started last year and was a big hit during the offseason where he claimed we would be a rebuild team that basically wouldn't go anywhere.

The team is 12-5 with impact injuries and in the playoffs. If the team was so bad that even assuming they're healthy was considered a rebuild roster then what exactly allowed them to go 12-5 and make the playoffs? The schedule was available. Maybe not the specific dates but we knew in the offseason every team we would be playing and if anything the SOS became harder.

So what made the difference?

I'll wait...

You too are doing some Olympic level mental gymnastics trying to act like Shanahan isn't doing a great job of coaching. Every loss - Shanahan. Every win - someone else or terrible opponent. Meanwhile Rams and DrEll's golden boy McVay has them losing to Carolina and Atlanta with a healthy roster and an MVP QB.

Logic not even once. I'll give you credit...at least you're more vocal about the talent acquisition part even if over the top in the criticism but aligning yourself with guys who are straight up hypocrites who have been caught in having different logic for other coaches/players to suit their point...maybe not the way to go.

Proof ?

Originally posted by genus49:
lol you guys are hilarious. Just complete lack of awareness.

You weren't around for that thread but DrEll put many a post in the rebuild or retool thread that was started last year and was a big hit during the offseason where he claimed we would be a rebuild team that basically wouldn't go anywhere.

The team is 12-5 with impact injuries and in the playoffs. If the team was so bad that even assuming they're healthy was considered a rebuild roster then what exactly allowed them to go 12-5 and make the playoffs? The schedule was available. Maybe not the specific dates but we knew in the offseason every team we would be playing and if anything the SOS became harder.

So what made the difference?

I'll wait...

You too are doing some Olympic level mental gymnastics trying to act like Shanahan isn't doing a great job of coaching. Every loss - Shanahan. Every win - someone else or terrible opponent. Meanwhile Rams and DrEll's golden boy McVay has them losing to Carolina and Atlanta with a healthy roster and an MVP QB.

Logic not even once. I'll give you credit...at least you're more vocal about the talent acquisition part even if over the top in the criticism but aligning yourself with guys who are straight up hypocrites who have been caught in having different logic for other coaches/players to suit their point...maybe not the way to go.

How many times do I have to say I think Shanahan has done a superb job coaching this team of backups and rookies and navigated another injury filled season. But saying that, we have had a very easy schedule and have played only 5 playoff calibre teams and the other teams had sub par QB's. Why can't it be both? We have 12 wins because of Shanahan's coaching AND our easy schedule.

At the same time for giving him credit for this year I'm very critical of his past playoff failures and personnel decisions and want him to stick to coaching and leave the roster building decisions to a proven guy.

Why can't that be both too? Acknowledge he is doing a good job but at the same time critical of his mistakes. Yet you and others act like it can only be one or the other and if you dare criticize you "aren't a true fan"

Originally posted by DrEll:
Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

Nope I'm not, I called out Kyle for the poor play calling just last game. Depth of roster lol? They've been playing with backups to the backups all f**king year and had a chance at the one seed WK18. Even the s**t you're trying to complain about is just wrong.

if you don't think injuries have led to losses…than you can't keep s**t real. Hypocritical f**kery is all I hear out of your mouths. SAME tired b******t comments.

End of the day, we can point to all kinds of things that led to a loss every week. Your refusing to use nuance, common sense and keep s**t objective is the problem in all of these debates. It's confirmation bias and zero objectivity…why should anyone listen to that and agree with you? Enough with the BS.

at this point your licking your chops for a 49er loss, just because you care more about your bias crap takes in a random WZ thread.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It doesn't work that way around here. We aren't supposed to criticize a coach or player until they are gone.

And you clearly haven't read my posts on multiple players and coaches ever.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
He asks:

"Id rather you just say you hate Kyle and your thought process is based off emotions vs trying to do mental gymnastics on why you're right lol. IMO it's just makes you look ignorant & stupid."

People give reasons like you just listed and it still doesn't matter. It falls on deaf ears and we still aren't fans, we should cheer for other teams, we are hypocrites, we don't know football, we have never played sports etc.

And for the record, I don't hate Shanahan as a playcaller. As a head coach it's a different story.

-I'm tiring of him sticking with players who are mediocre like Brendel because they are veterans.

-I'm tired of him being so stubborn and not mixing it up or giving players chances. Seattle didn't have one player past 10 yards last week because Jennings and Bourne don't threaten deep. Why not put in Skyy Moore who has looked electric or Jordan Watkins who can push it deep? Why not play two TE sets with Kittle and Tonges? Why not play a two RB set? CMC has lost his burst as a runner. Why not play Robinson in the backfield and have CMC in the slot where he thrives?

-I'm tiring of him overthinking things.

-I'm tired of him being ultra conservative although he has been better this year

-I'm tired of his personnel decisions like Davis Price and Sermon in back to back drafts, a kicker in the 3rd, Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd, Joe Williams. The list is extensive

Bro you hate Kyle. Here we are with basically a lost season all yr and yet this team found ways to win and almost get the 1 seed. First time ever a division had 3 12+ win teams…AND yet here you are (and others) whining about everything with Kyle.

Players have to be able to run the offense, they have to be able to do s**t even when they don't get the ball. It's the reason this offense does well. This isn't a backyard playground scheme. Sorry if that's not what you want, but we don't have the personnel for that. I say all that AND we've been tossing in players all over the damn place because of injuries!

as far as personnel they run 21 personnel more than anyone in football, so not sure what your complaining about there. Yeah I'd love them to use two TE sets more. That's also something that has to be repped out in practice. Brock is a timing and anticipatory thrower. Maybe we see more of this week.

We've gone for it plenty on 4th down. You love McVay, he's also one of the most conservative HCs in football. Seattle had the lowest rate of going for it on 4th down this yr.

Our offense had the best 3rd down conversion rate this yr (play calling where you gotta have it), they were one of the least penalized teams in the league (have been told that's a coaching issue), 5th overall offense in the RZ. Our ST went from last to top 5 etc etc.

Originally posted by BP13:
I can see you're really making yourself at home in this thread, just like you took over the Lynch thread .

have you ever considered the things that Kyle does well? He's certainly not perfect, no coach is. Kyle has his issues, but his qualities far, far outweigh his issues.

This.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
How many times do I have to say I think Shanahan has done a superb job coaching this team of backups and rookies and navigated another injury filled season. But saying that, we have had a very easy schedule and have played only 5 playoff calibre teams and the other teams had sub par QB's. Why can't it be both? We have 12 wins because of Shanahan's coaching AND our easy schedule.

At the same time for giving him credit for this year I'm very critical of his past playoff failures and personnel decisions and want him to stick to coaching and leave the roster building decisions to a proven guy.

Why can't that be both too? Acknowledge he is doing a good job but at the same time critical of his mistakes. Yet you and others act like it can only be one or the other and if you dare criticize you "aren't a true fan"

Because it's simply not true. SF had the 15th overall SOS this yr. We played in a division that had 3 12+ records, which has never happened before.

And again you toss out crap like Vrabel and Payton are better, yet in the same breath talk about how "easy" Kyle's schedule is….Pats beat one team with a winning record and had the easiest schedule in football. Broncos second easiest schedule in football this yr. I mean Vrabel has been coaching for 7 yrs and is 3-5 in the playoffs. He's never sniffed a SB to even try to lose.

You're critical of his past playoff failures? He has a .667 play record, which is one of the highest among current HCs… that's why we're calling you and others out. Double standards and crazy expectations for Kyle that you clearly don't apply to anyone else. It's all hypocritical crap.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ahh. A 2nd place medal. Gotcha.

And according to some guys getting to the SB and losing makes Shanahan a better coach than a guy who has got there and won.

Getting the the SB and losing means sweet F all

2nd place is better than not winning a playoff game. 12 wins in regular season is better than being the NY Jets even if it doesn't end in SB.

Again you never played team sports do you clearly dont understand.

You don't know me. You making claims about someone you have never met is as cowardly as it gets.

Why is 2nd place better? At the end of the day a team coming in 2nd is no different than a team finishing last. Absolutely no-one cares who finishes 2nd.

Consistency does mean something and Shany has shown he can win in this league and be competitive. The agrument is can he win it all and in 11 years the answer is no. So this opens up the convo of why that is the case and it deserves criticisms. He has certainly had the roster to do so.

I see your point, there are plenty of webzoners that have views when it comes to players and coaches that align with participation trophies more than championships. No question.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Consistency does mean something and Shany has shown he can win in this league and be competitive. The agrument is can he win it all and in 11 years the answer is no. So this opens up the convo of why that is the case and it deserves criticisms. He has certainly had the roster to do so.

I see your point, there are plenty of webzoners that have views when it comes to players and coaches that align with participation trophies more than championships. No question.

If it comes down to if you've won a SB ring or not, then you're gonna be upset 99% of the time. 40% of the league hasn't even won one SB. The list of HCs with a ring isn't substantial.

Took Andy 20 yrs as a HC to win a ring. I'm not saying we need to hold onto Kyle no matter what, but this constant battle where you can only be a great HC if you win one more game is just weird to me. I don't think Doug Peterson is a better HC than Kyle.

What sucks is that I feel that Kyle is hot n cold.. and idk which one is gunna show up Before the Bears game, he looked locked TF in and he was..then he looks almost lost at other times..why? Lol
What was it? 1-39 if down by whatever in the 4th? I mean, that's kinda bad. He falls apart. When he looks lost, it makes me uncomfortable lol and it's like here we go, the Kaepernick eyes ..the game gets too big..or the thoughts in the head..short circuit lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If it comes down to if you've won a SB ring or not, then you're gonna be upset 99% of the time. 40% of the league hasn't even won one SB. The list of HCs with a ring isn't substantial.

Took Andy 20 yrs as a HC to win a ring. I'm not saying we need to hold onto Kyle no matter what, but this constant battle where you can only be a great HC if you win one more game is just weird to me. I don't think Doug Peterson is a better HC than Kyle.

I mean, yeah, I remember when Reid was kinda mid. But the dude is smart..and he just became more refined over time..hopefully, that happens with Kyle..I dnt like waiting tho lol

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

It doesn't work that way around here. We aren't supposed to criticize a coach or player until they are gone.

lol you guys are hilarious. Just complete lack of awareness.

You weren't around for that thread but DrEll put many a post in the rebuild or retool thread that was started last year and was a big hit during the offseason where he claimed we would be a rebuild team that basically wouldn't go anywhere.

The team is 12-5 with impact injuries and in the playoffs. If the team was so bad that even assuming they're healthy was considered a rebuild roster then what exactly allowed them to go 12-5 and make the playoffs? The schedule was available. Maybe not the specific dates but we knew in the offseason every team we would be playing and if anything the SOS became harder.

So what made the difference?

I'll wait...

You too are doing some Olympic level mental gymnastics trying to act like Shanahan isn't doing a great job of coaching. Every loss - Shanahan. Every win - someone else or terrible opponent. Meanwhile Rams and DrEll's golden boy McVay has them losing to Carolina and Atlanta with a healthy roster and an MVP QB.

Logic not even once. I'll give you credit...at least you're more vocal about the talent acquisition part even if over the top in the criticism but aligning yourself with guys who are straight up hypocrites who have been caught in having different logic for other coaches/players to suit their point...maybe not the way to go.

Proof ?

Do you not know how to use the search function?

But here I'll do your work for you...

Just some from this thread

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/197739-need-re-tool-full-rebuild/page15/search=rebuild

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
49ers aren't rebuilding. So far the players we have gotten ridden of are washed up scrubs.

We still have:
McCaffrey
Bosa
Ayiuk
Brock
Jennings
Williams
Kittle

Vegas has us still at 6th best odds to win the Super Bowl next year in Santa Clara! 😊
Sad part is any one of those guys goes down and we become instant pretenders. That's how fragile this dynasty framework is. Heavily reliant on the top players balling all season long. Lose one (Aiyuk), and the team begins to teeter. Lose one more, and now we're a 6-11 team again with the Kyle fans screaming "RUN IT BACK !"

Originally posted by DrEll:
Joey Bosa out.

smells like a rebuild to me

Originally posted by DrEll:
lol it was always a rebuild. Only the homers defined it differently, and that was primarily to save face with Kyle.

The Yorks are cleaning house. Only a matter of time before Kyle walks. It's only then the new era of 49ers football can begin.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
How many times do I have to say I think Shanahan has done a superb job coaching this team of backups and rookies and navigated another injury filled season. But saying that, we have had a very easy schedule and have played only 5 playoff calibre teams and the other teams had sub par QB's. Why can't it be both? We have 12 wins because of Shanahan's coaching AND our easy schedule.

At the same time for giving him credit for this year I'm very critical of his past playoff failures and personnel decisions and want him to stick to coaching and leave the roster building decisions to a proven guy.

Why can't that be both too? Acknowledge he is doing a good job but at the same time critical of his mistakes. Yet you and others act like it can only be one or the other and if you dare criticize you "aren't a true fan"

I actually have no problem with that. My only issue with your takes are the extreme belief that if a HC hasn't won a SB he cannot be considered a really good one along with your very hindsight heavy personnel questions.

I agree and have said as much that Kyle hasn't been good with early round picks(where I believe he's got the most pull) I think he can really benefit from having a legit GM coming in and doing more of that heavy lifting.

However you also have to be realistic. There isn't a single team, HC/GM who is batting 1.000 in regards to draft and even FA. Howie Roseman is the best in the game and he's also the guy who drafted Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Consistency does mean something and Shany has shown he can win in this league and be competitive. The agrument is can he win it all and in 11 years the answer is no. So this opens up the convo of why that is the case and it deserves criticisms. He has certainly had the roster to do so.

I see your point, there are plenty of webzoners that have views when it comes to players and coaches that align with participation trophies more than championships. No question.

If it comes down to if you've won a SB ring or not, then you're gonna be upset 99% of the time. 40% of the league hasn't even won one SB. The list of HCs with a ring isn't substantial.

Took Andy 20 yrs as a HC to win a ring. I'm not saying we need to hold onto Kyle no matter what, but this constant battle where you can only be a great HC if you win one more game is just weird to me. I don't think Doug Peterson is a better HC than Kyle.

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Consistency does mean something and Shany has shown he can win in this league and be competitive. The agrument is can he win it all and in 11 years the answer is no. So this opens up the convo of why that is the case and it deserves criticisms. He has certainly had the roster to do so.

I see your point, there are plenty of webzoners that have views when it comes to players and coaches that align with participation trophies more than championships. No question.

If it comes down to if you've won a SB ring or not, then you're gonna be upset 99% of the time. 40% of the league hasn't even won one SB. The list of HCs with a ring isn't substantial.

Took Andy 20 yrs as a HC to win a ring. I'm not saying we need to hold onto Kyle no matter what, but this constant battle where you can only be a great HC if you win one more game is just weird to me. I don't think Doug Peterson is a better HC than Kyle.

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

We all understand the goal. Do you watch the 49ers play football during the season or do you basically just tune in when they make the SB to see if they'll win it?

Does the journey not matter? Do you not enjoy meaningful wins? You can't win the SB if you don't make the playoffs. You can't win the SB if you don't win at least 2 games in the playoffs and you can't win the SB if you're not in the SB to play that game.

Acting like getting to the SB isn't any accomplishment worth being proud of is dumb IMO. You can be disappointed not to get that final win but acting like a SB losing season is the same, if not worse than a 4-13 season is insanity IMO.