49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:
Proof ? Or just conjecture on your part ?

You literally posted the article for me. I clearly can't spoon feed you logic if you want to burry your head in the sand any time your Kyle sucks take has nothing real behind it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Do you take away from Bill Walsh's greatness because he had Joe Montana ? I get it. It's hard to cope when there's a guy in your own division, let alone the league, that has a higher rank than you.

it is what it is…

The fact that you went there shows how illogical your points are.

Bill Walsh drafted Joe Montana in the 3rd round. He coached him up all the way and then reaped the rewards of the QB and HC combo to great rewards.

McVay hasn't drafted a QB to coach up. He took the team over with Goff there and when he realized he couldn't get it done with Goff had to bring in a guy like Stafford because his coaching alone wasn't good enough. He needed a guy who could make a no look pass into razor thin windows.

That's what you fail to understand.

Would you be saying the same stuff if Shanahan had Stafford? Because as it stands Shanahan can't win without an elite QB it seems

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Ell going to answer? Or is he going to continue to avoid/ignore.

Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

So what you are telling me McVay needed a HOF caliber QB to be able to win a SB.

That McVays offense is incapable of scoring more than 3 points in the biggest of games without a HOF caliber QB.

And McVay has never proven he can win the biggest of games against top tier coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

I don't care if he needed Joe Montana reincarnated to win a SB. The fact is that he won one. He identified the glitch in the Matrix, then went out and recruited the best possible player to fix that glitch. There's no such thing as "well my SB ring is better than yours bc you got it with a HOF QB and I got one with a scrub".

And second, McVay could win a ring against a group of baboons and it still counts as a SB win.

lol you guys can't help yourselves. Just to prop Shanny up, you'll drag anyone down. McVay has a done a better job building the Rams than Kyle has. He has the hardware to prove it. /debate.

But you said he is a better coach than Kyle. So here I am trying to understand how can McVay can be the better coach if his offense needs a HOF QB to be able to score more than 3 points.

The only thing I learned here is that sans HOF QB, McVay can't win the big one.

Shanahan has a pretty good QB who is paid 53 million dollars and we just came off a game with 3 points. The most important game of the year in-fact.

Fantastic logic though. Everyone else is terrible except who is currently on the 49ers. I get it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
THIS !!

... and I've already stated the fact Shanny rather lose a Super Bowl with his hand picked QBs that he's not ALL IN than WIN one w/a future HOF QB that will get majority of the credit.

You've said a lot on this board. Most of it being a bunch of bull.

Simply making up an opinion you have doesn't make something factual. Just amazing how you all love to ignore Shanahan trying to pull Aaron Rodgers away from one of his good friends in Matt LaFleur.

Literally trying to swat away any fact that shows your point as nothing but fiction.

They didn't lose3 first round picks in the Lance deal. They traded up and used a first rounder to take Lance. You can call that losing a pick since he didn't work out but actually they moved up from 12 to 3 in 2021 and gave up their 2022 and 2023 #1 picks. That's 2 first rounders they lost. The trade also included a 3rd rounder to Miami.

Since so many like to hoard draft picks so look what Miami has done since the trade. Nothing. Zilch. The Niners have been to 2 NFC title games and one SB. Granted it wasn't because of the trade which obviously failed but they didn't let it stop them.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
THIS !!

... and I've already stated the fact Shanny rather lose a Super Bowl with his hand picked QBs that he's not ALL IN than WIN one w/a future HOF QB that will get majority of the credit.

You've said a lot on this board. Most of it being a bunch of bull.

Simply making up an opinion you have doesn't make something factual. Just amazing how you all love to ignore Shanahan trying to pull Aaron Rodgers away from one of his good friends in Matt LaFleur.

Literally trying to swat away any fact that shows your point as nothing but fiction.

They didn't lose3 first round picks in the Lance deal. They traded up and used a first rounder to take Lance. You can call that losing a pick since he didn't work out but actually they moved up from 12 to 3 in 2021 and gave up their 2022 and 2023 #1 picks. That's 2 first rounders they lost. The trade also included a 3rd rounder to Miami.

Since so many like to hoard draft picks so look what Miami has done since the trade. Nothing. Zilch. The Niners have been to 2 NFC title games and one SB. Granted it wasn't because of the trade which obviously failed but they didn't let it stop them.

They did lose 3.

2022 first rounder
2023 first rounder
and the pick they used to select him. Thats a complete and utter loss no matter how you slice it.

and they lost two nfc championship games and lost a Super Bowl. You can easily argue that the picks they lost would have put them over the hump one, two or even three times since they were already stacked. Why draft a project when you have a stacked roster I'll never know. And you're now seeing a bare roster because of that trade.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
They did lose 3.

2022 first rounder
2023 first rounder
and the pick they used to select him. Thats a complete and utter loss no matter how you slice it.

and they lost two nfc championship games and lost a Super Bowl. You can easily argue that the picks they lost would have put them over the hump one, two or even three times since they were already stacked. Why draft a project when you have a stacked roster I'll never know. And you're now seeing a bare roster because of that trade.

It's criminal for anyone to spin that trade as a positive. As you said, how many current players did we miss out on bc of those lost 1st round picks. What makes it worse is we probably would have gotten Mac Jones if we stand pat and he's already proven in half a season's worth of play that he can run this system.

Major blunder on Kyle and Lynch's part. They only survived it because they lucked into Brock Purdy who wouldn't have even seen the field if both our starters didn't get hurt.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They didn't lose3 first round picks in the Lance deal. They traded up and used a first rounder to take Lance. You can call that losing a pick since he didn't work out but actually they moved up from 12 to 3 in 2021 and gave up their 2022 and 2023 #1 picks. That's 2 first rounders they lost. The trade also included a 3rd rounder to Miami.

Since so many like to hoard draft picks so look what Miami has done since the trade. Nothing. Zilch. The Niners have been to 2 NFC title games and one SB. Granted it wasn't because of the trade which obviously failed but they didn't let it stop them.

More great logic. Anything to sugarcoat the moves Shanahan did.

Since you think those picks are nothing maybe we win a SB if we had kept them and taken a Micah Parsons.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
They did lose 3.

2022 first rounder
2023 first rounder
and the pick they used to select him. Thats a complete and utter loss no matter how you slice it.

and they lost two nfc championship games and lost a Super Bowl. You can easily argue that the picks they lost would have put them over the hump one, two or even three times since they were already stacked. Why draft a project when you have a stacked roster I'll never know. And you're now seeing a bare roster because of that trade.

It's criminal for anyone to spin that trade as a positive. As you said, how many current players did we miss out on bc of those lost 1st round picks. What makes it worse is we probably would have gotten Mac Jones if we stand pat and he's already proven in half a season's worth of play that he can run this system.

Major blunder on Kyle and Lynch's part. They only survived it because they lucked into Brock Purdy who wouldn't have even seen the field if both our starters didn't get hurt.

It's arguably one of the worst trades in NFL history.

We also have one of the worst draft busts in NFL history in Solomon Thomas. There were 15 stud players available and we take an undersized DT and pass on a QB even if it was Trubisky when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer.

Add that to one of the worst trades when we traded Pro Bowler DeForest Buckner and then reached on Javon Kinlaw and then two years later gave that same Buckner money to Javon Kinlaw.

The Aiuyk extension when we could have got a 2nd and a player from Pittsburg.

Keeping Garrapolo over Tom Brady.

It's been absolutely horrific roster building and personnel decisions. It blows my mind how these guys still have a job.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Ell going to answer? Or is he going to continue to avoid/ignore.

Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

So what you are telling me McVay needed a HOF caliber QB to be able to win a SB.

That McVays offense is incapable of scoring more than 3 points in the biggest of games without a HOF caliber QB.

And McVay has never proven he can win the biggest of games against top tier coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

I don't care if he needed Joe Montana reincarnated to win a SB. The fact is that he won one. He identified the glitch in the Matrix, then went out and recruited the best possible player to fix that glitch. There's no such thing as "well my SB ring is better than yours bc you got it with a HOF QB and I got one with a scrub".

And second, McVay could win a ring against a group of baboons and it still counts as a SB win.

lol you guys can't help yourselves. Just to prop Shanny up, you'll drag anyone down. McVay has a done a better job building the Rams than Kyle has. He has the hardware to prove it. /debate.

But you said he is a better coach than Kyle. So here I am trying to understand how can McVay can be the better coach if his offense needs a HOF QB to be able to score more than 3 points.

The only thing I learned here is that sans HOF QB, McVay can't win the big one.

Do you take away from Bill Walsh's greatness because he had Joe Montana ? I get it. It's hard to cope when there's a guy in your own division, let alone the league, that has a higher rank than you.

it is what it is…

Im talking about McVay. You sir are the one who gave him a pass for not being able to score more than 3 points in a SB

You are the one illustrating to us all that McVay isn't good enough to win it all or even score more than 3 points in a SB without HOF caliber at QB.

Basically McVay needed a crutch to carry him, can't walk on his own. That's what your saying, your words not mine.

I mean basically going off your logic Kyle has never had a HOF caliber QB so it wouldn't be a fair to compare him to McVay unless you think it's OK to compare apples to oranges.

Who to blame ? McVay went out and got Stafford. Shanahan traded 3 first round picks for Trey Lance. Who do you think hold accountable for that trade ?

You are trying to run away from the fact that your own words in essence painted McVay as a lesser coach who can't rely on his coaching and play calling alone to succeed, he also needs a crutch at QB.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Ell going to answer? Or is he going to continue to avoid/ignore.

Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

So what you are telling me McVay needed a HOF caliber QB to be able to win a SB.

That McVays offense is incapable of scoring more than 3 points in the biggest of games without a HOF caliber QB.

And McVay has never proven he can win the biggest of games against top tier coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

I don't care if he needed Joe Montana reincarnated to win a SB. The fact is that he won one. He identified the glitch in the Matrix, then went out and recruited the best possible player to fix that glitch. There's no such thing as "well my SB ring is better than yours bc you got it with a HOF QB and I got one with a scrub".

And second, McVay could win a ring against a group of baboons and it still counts as a SB win.

lol you guys can't help yourselves. Just to prop Shanny up, you'll drag anyone down. McVay has a done a better job building the Rams than Kyle has. He has the hardware to prove it. /debate.

But you said he is a better coach than Kyle. So here I am trying to understand how can McVay can be the better coach if his offense needs a HOF QB to be able to score more than 3 points.

The only thing I learned here is that sans HOF QB, McVay can't win the big one.

Shanahan has a pretty good QB who is paid 53 million dollars and we just came off a game with 3 points. The most important game of the year in-fact.

Fantastic logic though. Everyone else is terrible except who is currently on the 49ers. I get it.

We are talking about Sean McVay needing a crutch not Kyle Shanahan. Stop trying to shift the discussion because this discussion/debate it's not going well for your BFF.

If you are going to jump in, at least stay on topic. But IMHO you being the guy who believes Dilfer is a better QB than Marino should probably sit this one, you've already done enough damage to your credibility and I'd hate to see you do even more if that's even possible.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It's arguably one of the worst trades in NFL history.

We also have one of the worst draft busts in NFL history in Solomon Thomas. There were 15 stud players available and we take an undersized DT and pass on a QB even if it was Trubisky when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer.

Add that to one of the worst trades when we traded Pro Bowler DeForest Buckner and then reached on Javon Kinlaw and then two years later gave that same Buckner money to Javon Kinlaw.

The Aiuyk extension when we could have got a 2nd and a player from Pittsburg.

Keeping Garrapolo over Tom Brady.

It's been absolutely horrific roster building and personnel decisions. It blows my mind how these guys still have a job.

So Kyle has coached around horrific roster building then?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Oh yes, the same old narrative that we aren't true 49er fans if we don't blindly follow everything our team does. What other mammal does that sound like? Oh ya, sheep.

You either praise Shanahan and bow at his feet or you aren't a true 49er fan. We get it. That's how you try to end an argument. "Agree with me or you're not a true 49er fan"

The real defense mechanism is at the end of the day at least we "made it to two Superbowls" right?

No you're just being flat out stupid and emotional.

Nick foles, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are not better QBs than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly, yet that's the Kyle hater club's whole defense on why Kyle needs to go. Be objective for once.

Do you think Dan Marino and Jim Kelly would trade all their stats for one ring? Or do you think Ravens fans would trade 10 years of Marino and all those stats or one year of Dilfer and a ring?

No-one is claiming those guys are better than Dilfer or Foles. No-one is claiming that Doug Peterson is better than Shanahan but at the end of the day they have Championship rings and Shananan, Marino and Kelly are just another guy who couldn't get it done when it mattered.

At the end of the day this game is judged on how many Championships you win.

I remember watching the SB win in 1994 vs the Chargers and that was 30 years ago. I remember Jerry Rice and Rickey Watters torching that D with Steve Young. I'd trade every single stat and NFCCG and SB loss for one more Championship. Nothing else matters.

Its very possible that these questions yield opposite results. What a fan wants and what a player wants are two totally different things.

Would Dan Marino trade his career for Trent Dilfer's career? Doubtful.

Would Dolphin fans trade Marino for a Superbowl ring? Probably.

I guarantee Marino would trade all his stats and TD passes for one ring.

All of his stats and TD passes is what makes him a Hall of Famer, got him tons of endorsements, movie roles and made him an incredibly rich man. If he was Trent Dilfer he would have none of that.

You definitively stating he would trade his career for Trent Dilfer's is nothing more than an assumption.

These takes are getting crazier by the day. Not yours but the poster you responded to. Dan Marino can get endorsements to this day, anywhere, because of his HOF career. Guys that have middling careers but got a ring usually end up selling said ring for income.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It's arguably one of the worst trades in NFL history.

We also have one of the worst draft busts in NFL history in Solomon Thomas. There were 15 stud players available and we take an undersized DT and pass on a QB even if it was Trubisky when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer.

Add that to one of the worst trades when we traded Pro Bowler DeForest Buckner and then reached on Javon Kinlaw and then two years later gave that same Buckner money to Javon Kinlaw.

The Aiuyk extension when we could have got a 2nd and a player from Pittsburg.

Keeping Garrapolo over Tom Brady.

It's been absolutely horrific roster building and personnel decisions. It blows my mind how these guys still have a job.

So Kyle has coached around horrific roster building then?

Yes. I like Kyle. I always have. But some if not all personnel decisions fall on him.

I think he's a fantastic play caller and this is his best year. Without him coaching I doubt we win 6 games.

That said, he has failed as a coach when it matters most 4 times and I don't know if he is able to take us over the top.

We already had basically an All Star cast and he lost that lead so what are the chances that he can do it again and build this roster up? I'm willing to give him another few years but if he can't get it done we move on. It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
These takes are getting crazier by the day. Not yours but the poster you responded to. Dan Marino can get endorsements to this day, anywhere, because of his HOF career. Guys that have middling careers but got a ring usually end up selling said ring for income.

We are talking starting QBs. Not some scrub 3rd stringer

Dilfer played 130 games over 13 years and made 27 million dollars and spent 9 years as an ESPN analyst.

And he has a ring.

Dan Marino made 51 million dollars, has a pile of stats and NO RING.

I guess you can define success anyway you want but at the end of the day these star athletes with tonnes of stats but no rings will always have an asterisk next to their names.

I wonder if Marino would take 27 million and a ring over his stats?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
BRAH, why u think I call them Shannanigans ??

No move or decision by Shanny will ever be wrong... just like Shanny, they will find a way to point the finger away from Shanny...

I can no longer wonder, I am more convince now than ever that these Shannanigans rather have Shanny as the HC than get a Super Bowl ring NOT coached by Shanny.

Once again all you guys have are these ridiculous hyperbole laced takes that nobody has ever said.

What you can't seem to grasp is most people believe the odds of getting a SB are better with Kyle Shanahan than unknown future HC possibilities.

How many SBs did we win after Seifert through Shanahan?

If you can guarantee me we win a SB with whomever takes over for Shanahan then i'll say fire him right now.

But none of you can guarantee it. So deal in reality.

SEIFERT - as bad as a coach he was, the guy won 2 Super Bowls... One was because Walsh left a good team becoming great.... while the other was ALL because of Prime Time.

Reality is your HC is 0 and 2 in the Super Bowl. .. and reality is, IF our owner wants to win one, then he'll get rid of Shanny... John Harbaugh just got let go, do you know why? - IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE !!

AGAIN - Shanny may win one, but it won't happen here ...

Just an HONEST question, how many more season do YOU give Shanny before you let him go?