49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You can get there with Doug Pederson and Nick Soriano as long as you have the horses. He's a great game planner and play caller but he's bad at everything else, and the lack of attention to details outside of his playcalls always gets him in the end

Pederson and Nick S didn't build those teams. Pederson was a one hit wonder. Nick is doing well but the one time he actually had to deal with the injury bug he got booted from the playoffs early.

Nobody isn't winning anything in this league if they had the same injuries as the 49ers have right now__PRESENT

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

You can get there with Doug Pederson and Nick Soriano as long as you have the horses. He's a great game planner and play caller but he's bad at everything else, and the lack of attention to details outside of his playcalls always gets him in the end

Pederson and Nick S didn't build those teams. Pederson was a one hit wonder. Nick is doing well but the one time he actually had to deal with the injury bug he got booted from the playoffs early.

Nobody isn't winning anything in this league if they had the same injuries as the 49ers have right now__PRESENT

Whether they built the team or not isn't the point

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I keep saying the same thing, having the foundation of your distain for a HC be over ONE game is unserious. We've gone through those games over and over and can point to a f**k ton of things that have absolutely nothing to do with the HC.

and I call b******t to all the members of the Kyle hater club magically changing their tune with Kyle if ONE game had a different outcome.

All the fun comparisons to Marv Levy and all but has anyone looked at the Bills post Levy? Wade Phillips then 2 decades of futility. That's far more likely then finding the next Howie Roseman and having him draft his way to SBs in spite of his head coaches.

Levy is in the HOF. I grew up watching those Bills (my second favorite team). s**t happens outside the control of what a HC can and can't do.

anyone who's actually being serious in this debate knows that….its why I call these folks unserious, it's a lazy emotional take with zero nuance. They should join the NY fan base if they think firing a HC every other yr is the right way to go about it.

Winning ONE game doesn't make a HC great or bad. Tomlin hasn't won s**t in like 15+ yrs with a team that was already a Super Bowl winning roster. John Harbs got a hot Flacco and since then hasn't won s**t, even with a 2X MVP. Reid was apparently a horrible HC for 20 yrs until Mahomes showed up. Bill is the goat HC and yet has a losing record without Brady and is currently a joke in college.

Guess it isn't all coaching and save me the whole Kyle controls everything on the roster b******t. If anyone has paid attention they know that's not true.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I see the agitator's are predictably out in full force.

Just full of objective and nuanced talking points

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I see the agitator's are predictably out in full force.

Just full of objective and nuanced talking points

Yeah... just like that cringey "I love my coach"

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Levy is in the HOF. I grew up watching those Bills (my second favorite team). s**t happens outside the control of what a HC can and can't do.

anyone who's actually being serious in this debate knows that….its why I call these folks unserious, it's a lazy emotional take with zero nuance. They should join the NY fan base if they think firing a HC every other yr is the right way to go about it.

Winning ONE game doesn't make a HC great or bad. Tomlin hasn't won s**t in like 15+ yrs with a team that was already a Super Bowl winning roster. John Harbs got a hot Flacco and since then hasn't won s**t, even with a 2X MVP. Reid was apparently a horrible HC for 20 yrs until Mahomes showed up. Bill is the goat HC and yet has a losing record without Brady and is currently a joke in college.

Guess it isn't all coaching and save me the whole Kyle controls everything on the roster b******t. If anyone has paid attention they know that's not true.

Why? only because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Levy is in the HOF. I grew up watching those Bills (my second favorite team). s**t happens outside the control of what a HC can and can't do.

anyone who's actually being serious in this debate knows that….its why I call these folks unserious, it's a lazy emotional take with zero nuance. They should join the NY fan base if they think firing a HC every other yr is the right way to go about it.

Winning ONE game doesn't make a HC great or bad. Tomlin hasn't won s**t in like 15+ yrs with a team that was already a Super Bowl winning roster. John Harbs got a hot Flacco and since then hasn't won s**t, even with a 2X MVP. Reid was apparently a horrible HC for 20 yrs until Mahomes showed up. Bill is the goat HC and yet has a losing record without Brady and is currently a joke in college.

Guess it isn't all coaching and save me the whole Kyle controls everything on the roster b******t. If anyone has paid attention they know that's not true.

Why? only because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Dont listen to him. Shanahan had control over drafting trey Lance. That cost this team years. Drafting a raw prospect with ready to win now roster was disgustingly awful. And NY loved the pick. Lack of depth is now showing because of that.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You can get there with Doug Pederson and Nick Soriano as long as you have the horses. He's a great game planner and play caller but he's bad at everything else, and the lack of attention to details outside of his playcalls always gets him in the end

Give some examples please cuz this is not what people who actually are coached/have been coached by him say at all. Like actually the opposite of your claims.

It's clear just watching most games that he doesn't have strategy outside of the play calls. Just look at how often he messes up with clock management. They talk about how detailed he is with his playcalls, and I'm sure he is, but he isn't detailed in the overall strategy of the game

This year he's done a great job with game management. He doesn't always trust the offense but when he does he goes for it. I think you're grasping at straws.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
These suggestions for replacing Kyle are ridiculous. He's considered one of the top HCs in the league by nearly everyone connected to football.

In 8 years that Shanahan has been here he has a winning record in 4 years. The way it is going we will have another losing record this year.

76 wins, 66 losses
.535 winning percentage

2017: 6-10
2018: 4-12
2019: 13-3 NFC Champions
2020: 6-10
2021: 10-7 Lost NFC Championship game
2022: 13-4 Lost NFC Championship game
2023: 12-5 NFC Champions
2024: 6-11
2025: 6-4

Dam!

You guys are ruining my mourning LOL

Well he and Lynch spent the first 32 years rebuilding a terrible team so you can't count them. Then they've had 3 years counting this year where injuries have completely devastaed either the offense or the defense. Bottom line is they win when they have the bulk of their players healthy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
These suggestions for replacing Kyle are ridiculous. He's considered one of the top HCs in the league by nearly everyone connected to football.

In 8 years that Shanahan has been here he has a winning record in 4 years. The way it is going we will have another losing record this year.

76 wins, 66 losses
.535 winning percentage

2017: 6-10
2018: 4-12
2019: 13-3 NFC Champions
2020: 6-10
2021: 10-7 Lost NFC Championship game
2022: 13-4 Lost NFC Championship game
2023: 12-5 NFC Champions
2024: 6-11
2025: 6-4

Dam!

You guys are ruining my mourning LOL

Well he and Lynch spent the first 32 years rebuilding a terrible team so you can't count them. Then they've had 3 years counting this year where injuries have completely devastaed either the offense or the defense. Bottom line is they win when they have the bulk of their players healthy.

Ignoring the initial rebuilding years or the injury years is such a lazy, agenda-oriented posting.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Next 4 games are vs AZ/Browns/Titans and Panthers. Get a f**king grip Kyle Hater Club.

ya'll are gonna be so butt hurt when we win 10 games with half a roster.

Ya'll are so unserious and lazy with the whiny takes….trying so incredibly hard to pretend that Kyle is a bad coach or that s**t wasn't f**king horrible before he got here. You should do us all a favor and go root for another team.

The discussion here is not about Kyle being a good / bad HC, is about whether he has what it takes to win a Super Bowl.

My answer: no

If you can get to 2 different Super Bowls with largely 2 different groups of players, and go to OT in one of them, then I think you have what it takes to win a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I see the agitator's are predictably out in full force.

Just full of objective and nuanced talking points

Yeah... just like that cringey "I love my coach"

I love my coach

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I see the agitator's are predictably out in full force.

Just full of objective and nuanced talking points

Yeah... just like that cringey "I love my coach"

I haven't praised him every step of the way…my whole being on here isn't based around the idea of "Kyle sucks" like a lot of you.

Originally posted by Koldo:
Why? only because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Because it's simply not true and been disproven multiple times.

the fact that when this team is winning divisions and going to SBs you can't give any credit to the HC YET the day after a loss you're doing your usual whinefest over Kyle, shows how incredibly biased and unserious ya'll are about it

He's just the Tony Romo of coaches. Good enough to win but not good enough to carry you to a SB win.

He will always make some sort of backbreaking terrible challenge, wasted timeout, mismanage by relying too much on a player coming back from injury, or giving the ball right back to a player after a long run, or dumb play call like having the wrong personnel block or go out for a pass.

Just enough to negate any talent advantage and choke the game away against SB contending teams.

Also the team can't run the hurry up offense or understand how to correctly play from behind so its always going to end up choking away a playoff game of some sort.

The total amount of "clean" games I can recall where none of the above occurred is less than a dozen and that's out of a hundred+ games.

It's really bad now how much we are still trying to run the offense through mcaffrey when he's obviously lost a step as well.