49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Did you catch that caption on bottom of screen on Sunday's game?

"IN SHANAHAN ERA
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
2,035 GAMES MISSED DUE TO INJURY SINCE 2017
MOST IN NFL"

I didn't do the research on how they calculated this or how it relates to other team injury ratings but this one shows the 49ers have been the most injured since 2017.

I hope this puts to bed the common rebuttal, everyone has injuries.

Every team does have injuries. It differs from year to year but obviously some team is going to have the most. How many did the #2 team have. What about #3. The raw numbers don't differentiate between starters and backups. It's not the number of injuries as much as who is getting injured. This year has been especially brutal with the starting QB injured, the #1 and #2 receivers out, a pro bowl edge rusher out for the year and a future HOF LB out for the year.

It's interesting that the 49ers went to 2 SBs during that period. Both times they had fewer injuries.

2023 was our least injury riddled season and unfortunately we got bit with injuries at key spots in that last game.

2019 we were still one of the top injured teams but battled through it. Both Staley and McGlinchey missed a bunch of time. Key depth injuries hurt us for that SB as well.

Richburg, DJ Jones, Ronnie Blair, Jason Verrett. All could've been key contributors in that game.

I wonder how they calculate that number? There were 139 games played from 2017 until last week's game. 139 into 2035 comes out to 14.5. I don't think the Niners have had an average of nearly 15 players listed as out every week. I'm curious where they come up with the numbers.

Not sure I understand the question but my guess is they look at the amount of games missed each season with guys going on IR or being out with injury designations going into the game. PFR has a pretty good tracking system for that even though sometimes they have mistakes in it.

Here's the link to the 2019 team

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2019_injuries.htm

Lots of red...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ain't arguing that.. but the window is now close... they had their chances but it was just not enough.. ceiling reached and that's the bottom line.. BBB won't win one anyhow, why not test the water and see what happens.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Agreed. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shany and Lynch are never going to win anything and we are headed down by now. You can't miss year after year in the draft. Trade away three 1st rounders for Lance and ignore the offensive line for 9 years. Then expect to win. They tried their best. Just not going to get it done. It's not going to happen under them. Time to move on to the next regime IMO.

These are basically the same post so may as well address all at the same time.

These are hilariously bad takes. This isn't a controlled experiment where you're literally doing the same thing again. The teams, players and opponents are different every time.

It's the NFL and things change very quickly with some key additions. We've literally seen that first hand with these guys.

You know what the definition of insanity in NFL terms is? Firing an elite offensive playcaller and great HC who established a winning culture simply because he wasn't able to beat the Dynasty team of this generation with their own amazing coaches and HOF level studs at key positions.

Once again you're all acting like changing HCs automatically guarantees SB wins.

Mooch
Erickson
Nolan
Singletary
Harbaugh(who most of you still worship)
Tomsula
Kelly

None of them got as close as Shanahan to winning it all. And there is 0 guarantee anyone replacing him will get the job done.

Even if you believe the window is closed(a silly idea given this team is 5-3 and devastated by key injuries) the best bet for a rebuild is with guys proven they can get it done in the first place.

" NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND " (Lee Corso)

There was no worship on HC Jimbo aqui.. but he did a very good job w/the team he inherited from Samurai Mike..

All I am saying (speaking for myself only) is that KYLE obviously has no idea w/the LAMBO that he and Lynch built that maybe it's time to get a REAL DRIVER..

Tony couldn't win one in Tampa, and won it at Indy... Tampa won it under Gruden... and if you think about it, the key factor there was the HC... This team still can contend (not this year but the next 2 years) with the players we have and the Shananigans may just start accepting the fact that it may not be under Shanny.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The difference between him and EddieD. Would Shanahan still be around if Eddie was still owner of this franchise ? I highly doubt doubt it.

No matter how many times you doubt it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea. The league is very different these days.

It's different and the 49ers has a head coach who has a difficult time adapting to change

it's not the adapting part really, as a play designer, I have no issue with our HC.. it's the game planning that shows his weakness.. the inability to attack the opponents weaknesses.. This is the reason why he's having issue once the opposing HC figures out what he's trying to do.. He just go about his playbook and call plays that are designed very well but not knowing when and how to use it.

Originally posted by 9moon:
" NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND " (Lee Corso)

There was no worship on HC Jimbo aqui.. but he did a very good job w/the team he inherited from Samurai Mike..

All I am saying (speaking for myself only) is that KYLE obviously has no idea w/the LAMBO that he and Lynch built that maybe it's time to get a REAL DRIVER..

Tony couldn't win one in Tampa, and won it at Indy... Tampa won it under Gruden... and if you think about it, the key factor there was the HC... This team still can contend (not this year but the next 2 years) with the players we have and the Shananigans may just start accepting the fact that it may not be under Shanny.

The whole Dungy/Gruden thing doesn't fly as a comparison.

Tampa Bay with Dungy kept falling flat in a big way. The closest they came to a SB was a tight NFCCG L to the Rams in 2000. Losing 11-6. Dungy got two more seasons after that when they went 1 and done in each season losing 21-3 and 31-9 to the Eagles. They had a dominant top 10 defense each season. Those teams weren't decimated by injuries. They just under performed and lost in the first round to the same team by a combined 40 points.

49ers in their 4 playoff losses combined to 41 points loss. That includes the 24 point loss to the Eagles without a QB.

And you can speak for yourself all you want but shouldn't you speak about reality? In your analogy the LAMBO blows its tires on the final lap. Yet you blame the driver...

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The difference between him and EddieD. Would Shanahan still be around if Eddie was still owner of this franchise ? I highly doubt doubt it.

No matter how many times you doubt it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea. The league is very different these days.

It's different and the 49ers has a head coach who has a difficult time adapting to change

it's not the adapting part really, as a play designer, I have no issue with our HC.. it's the game planning that shows his weakness.. the inability to attack the opponents weaknesses.. This is the reason why he's having issue once the opposing HC figures out what he's trying to do.. He just go about his playbook and call plays that are designed very well but not knowing when and how to use it.

Sigh...I give up. You live in an alternate reality.

Originally posted by 9moon:
it's not the adapting part really, as a play designer, I have no issue with our HC.. it's the game planning that shows his weakness.. the inability to attack the opponents weaknesses.. This is the reason why he's having issue once the opposing HC figures out what he's trying to do.. He just go about his playbook and call plays that are designed very well but not knowing when and how to use it.

I agree with you. He is very good at play design, mid at play calling, and downright terrible as a GM - which unfortunately he controls for the first three rounds.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
" NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND " (Lee Corso)

There was no worship on HC Jimbo aqui.. but he did a very good job w/the team he inherited from Samurai Mike..

All I am saying (speaking for myself only) is that KYLE obviously has no idea w/the LAMBO that he and Lynch built that maybe it's time to get a REAL DRIVER..

Tony couldn't win one in Tampa, and won it at Indy... Tampa won it under Gruden... and if you think about it, the key factor there was the HC... This team still can contend (not this year but the next 2 years) with the players we have and the Shananigans may just start accepting the fact that it may not be under Shanny.

The whole Dungy/Gruden thing doesn't fly as a comparison.

Tampa Bay with Dungy kept falling flat in a big way. The closest they came to a SB was a tight NFCCG L to the Rams in 2000. Losing 11-6. Dungy got two more seasons after that when they went 1 and done in each season losing 21-3 and 31-9 to the Eagles. They had a dominant top 10 defense each season. Those teams weren't decimated by injuries. They just under performed and lost in the first round to the same team by a combined 40 points.

49ers in their 4 playoff losses combined to 41 points loss. That includes the 24 point loss to the Eagles without a QB.

And you can speak for yourself all you want but shouldn't you speak about reality? In your analogy the LAMBO blows its tires on the final lap. Yet you blame the driver...

and you continue to find EXCUSES as to why Shanny should not be the one to blame.. NO, not the ONLY ONE to blame... but bottom line is we need a change.. and yes, the Dungy Gruden FLY as comparison.. because bottom line is that Tampa ended up winning a Super Bowl with Dungy's team and AFTER he left... and Dungy ended up winning his ring with a team that he inherited... in short, the Colts won one under Dungy..

STOP throwing the scores or the total points as well.. the only stat you should really look at is Shanny being 0-2 in the Super Bowl..

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanahan's peak with this team was 2022 and 2023 and for whatever reason it wasn't enough to win the ring. He won't build another team as good as that one and it seems that since the SB loss there are players that are openly angry and they don't even try to hide it which was something that didn't happen in the past.

Shanahan is a good coach but he hasn't been good enough to win the Super Bowl and I wonder if his cycle on the team is already over.

The thing is that Jed York is happy with the team being only relevant even if doesn't win Super Bowls and with Shanahan as a coach he can be sure that the team will be relevant year after year..

The owner and GM of the Seahawks are happy with just being relevant. Maybe we are headed in that direction. 10/11 win seasons with a loss in the wild card or divisional game every year and Jed will be ok with that.

There are SO many assumptions and hyperbole in this post.

We don't know what Shanahan's peak will be until he's done coaching the 49ers. Yes those 2022 and 2023 teams were very talented but you're acting like they simply went out there and got beat with all that talent.

I would think Purdy getting his arm jacked up on the first drive in the NFCCG had something to do with not getting it done in 2022 - arguably our best chance given coaching and talent.

2023 we all know what happened. We've talked about it for months. And while not everyone agrees how much blame fell on Shanahan, I think most of us can agree losing Greenlaw and Feliciano played a large impact on performance that day.

Shanahan has been good enough to get the team on the cusp of winning the SB. Once you're there anything can happen. Given how some of those seasons played out we were lucky to even be there in 2019, 2021 and 2022.

Pretty much every year we haven't been completely decimated by injuries and Kyle has had a DC he can trust we've made a run. The odds are better that eventually you break through and win those last few games than bringing in a new HC, system, culture, etc.

I find it funny how many people think Jim Harbaugh is a better HC when he had virtually the whole starting squad from week 1 out there during the SB and couldn't even coach his way to a lead in the game, let alone the win. You literally can't go back to that game and show "oh the players didn't make this play or we'd win"

You can do that for Shanahan in every big game they lost in the playoffs outside of the Eagles game.

Coaches learn, they adapt. By all accounts, no matter how much people here claim the guy is arrogant and does things only he wants, Kyle listens to advice and if people can support their vision he respects it and uses it.

This year should be encouraging for most people given what he's able to do with all these injuries, not the opposite but we all know some have dug in and were still looking to fire him after the Rams win this year.

The Niners have had morew than their share of injuries over the last few years but this season is crazy. Every area of the team has had injuries. QB. Receiving corps. O line. D line. LB. The DBs have been the least injured but they've even had a couple injuries. It must be driving Kyle crazy when he tries to put together a game plan each week and has to go down the list to see who's available.

Did you catch that caption on bottom of screen on Sunday's game?

"IN SHANAHAN ERA
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
2,035 GAMES MISSED DUE TO INJURY SINCE 2017
MOST IN NFL"

I didn't do the research on how they calculated this or how it relates to other team injury ratings but this one shows the 49ers have been the most injured since 2017.

I hope this puts to bed the common rebuttal, everyone has injuries.

Every team does have injuries. It differs from year to year but obviously some team is going to have the most. How many did the #2 team have. What about #3. The raw numbers don't differentiate between starters and backups. It's not the number of injuries as much as who is getting injured. This year has been especially brutal with the starting QB injured, the #1 and #2 receivers out, a pro bowl edge rusher out for the year and a future HOF LB out for the year.

It's interesting that the 49ers went to 2 SBs during that period. Both times they had fewer injuries.

2023 was our least injury riddled season and unfortunately we got bit with injuries at key spots in that last game.

2019 we were still one of the top injured teams but battled through it. Both Staley and McGlinchey missed a bunch of time. Key depth injuries hurt us for that SB as well.

Richburg, DJ Jones, Ronnie Blair, Jason Verrett. All could've been key contributors in that game.

I wonder how they calculate that number? There were 139 games played from 2017 until last week's game. 139 into 2035 comes out to 14.5. I don't think the Niners have had an average of nearly 15 players listed as out every week. I'm curious where they come up with the numbers.

Not sure I understand the question but my guess is they look at the amount of games missed each season with guys going on IR or being out with injury designations going into the game. PFR has a pretty good tracking system for that even though sometimes they have mistakes in it.

Here's the link to the 2019 team

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2019_injuries.htm

Lots of red...

I looked at that link (thanks) and at least half of those IR listings were for players that rarely played and never made an impact. They had some key players hurt as well but not nearly as many as the raw data suggests. Verrett, McKinnon and Kwon Alexander looked like the best players that missed a lot of games. McGlinchey was out for a few as well. Of those 4 only McGlinchey was a starter every week when healthy. The others were situational players.

Sometimes raw data needs to be evaluated to determine how valid it is.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I looked at that link (thanks) and at least half of those IR listings were for players that rarely played and never made an impact. They had some key players hurt as well but not nearly as many as the raw data suggests. Verrett, McKinnon and Kwon Alexander looked like the best players that missed a lot of games. McGlinchey was out for a few as well. Of those 4 only McGlinchey was a starter every week when healthy. The others were situational players.

Sometimes raw data needs to be evaluated to determine how valid it is.

Staley, Juice, Richburg all missed a bunch of games. All key starters.

DJ Jones and Ronnie Blair missed key games as well including the SB. Both key depth pieces.

Maybe McKinnon cursed us…all that money and dude hardly played for us then somehow took it like we did him dirty in the process. Then won the SB against us SMH.

Wrong thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I looked at that link (thanks) and at least half of those IR listings were for players that rarely played and never made an impact. They had some key players hurt as well but not nearly as many as the raw data suggests. Verrett, McKinnon and Kwon Alexander looked like the best players that missed a lot of games. McGlinchey was out for a few as well. Of those 4 only McGlinchey was a starter every week when healthy. The others were situational players.

Sometimes raw data needs to be evaluated to determine how valid it is.

Staley, Juice, Richburg all missed a bunch of games. All key starters.

DJ Jones and Ronnie Blair missed key games as well including the SB. Both key depth pieces.

Maybe McKinnon cursed us…all that money and dude hardly played for us then somehow took it like we did him dirty in the process. Then won the SB against us SMH.

McKinnon signing was bad from the get go, we only signed the guy because of his speed and the idea for that Jet Sweep... dumb, ain't it ??

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I looked at that link (thanks) and at least half of those IR listings were for players that rarely played and never made an impact. They had some key players hurt as well but not nearly as many as the raw data suggests. Verrett, McKinnon and Kwon Alexander looked like the best players that missed a lot of games. McGlinchey was out for a few as well. Of those 4 only McGlinchey was a starter every week when healthy. The others were situational players.

Sometimes raw data needs to be evaluated to determine how valid it is.

Staley, Juice, Richburg all missed a bunch of games. All key starters.

DJ Jones and Ronnie Blair missed key games as well including the SB. Both key depth pieces.

Maybe McKinnon cursed us…all that money and dude hardly played for us then somehow took it like we did him dirty in the process. Then won the SB against us SMH.

McKinnon signing was bad from the get go, we only signed the guy because of his speed and the idea for that Jet Sweep... dumb, ain't it ??

Jet, I hated that little azz wipe after he went to the Queefs, tho he did himself a solid. But wtf was he trying to squat over 600 lbs in the weight room for, just to show off

Another s**tty week for the Kyle haters.

Originally posted by miked1978:
Another s**tty week for the Kyle haters.

What are you talking about? We saw classic Kyle this game. Calls timeout at the end of the half just to try to give points away and put Mac into the shotgun instead of handing the ball of or running a screen.

Same classic Kyle, after mcaffrey can barely stand after a 40 yard run immediately gives him the ball again twice in a row instead of giving him a breather.

Still playing him up two scores with 5 minutes left trying to run him into the ground...

Guys just good enough to get you to a SB and choke it away with some classic shanahan antics a la above...

Just because we beat the 2-6 giants. You do that stuff against the chiefs and it's enough bad coaching to lose you the Superbowl again...

I love my coach!