49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

You would think you'd be avoiding this thread like the plague given your track record in it...imagine coming in here and that's your takeaway.

Cuz i'm sure had Kyle drawn up a pass play and it resulted in a safety or incompletion to stop the clock you wouldn't be in here saying what an idiot Kyle is for not trying to run the clock out.

Can't ban people because they don't agree with your takes. That's not how the rules work around here.

Kyle said specifically he called the sneak to avoid the possibility of a safety given the pressure the Rams had been bringing. A RB play would have had the same impact. A pass play, if incomplete, would have saved a time out for the Rams. Hence, the safe call was what he made. Don't judge the call by the results. Judge it by whether it was the correct call given the situation and circumstances.

i agree on all the run plays, but dang, call a better run play than just a HB Blast.

What would have been a better running play? They weren't gaining anything on the ground all night.

Yeah - all night long. I don't know - 33 attempts for 74 yards......would have needed some unusual action or bootleg, which could have been a disaster.

I will give KS credit, as he stayed with the run even though it wasn't getting much. They did win TOP 40+ to 26+ minutes. Full disclosure, I was one suggesting maybe one non-running play to get a first - I understand why he did it, and in the end, having LA burn all three TO's prevented a winning score at the end. I still didn't think SF could hang in OT with how the Rams were moving it, but SF got the big (or as old Al would have said - YUGE) stop. In the end, Collins' play was the difference - winning the turnover battle and getting a very solid performance from Jones and others was really nice to see. Seeing some good pieces and some younger players who may really be strong in a year or two......still some big holes to fill, which will be problems in games. Regardless, interested to see what they do and how they fare in Tampa next week.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

Imagine coming in here and whining after a win like that… are you allergic to joy or something? Why even watch football?

He gets joy in being right. And since he's been saying fire Kyle and that Kyle's horrible well he's been dead wrong since then. Therefore no joy. He doesn't root for the 49ers he roots to be right.

He lost 2 Superbowls.

Super Bowl losses don't count as negative Super Bowl championships. Fans like you who think they somehow do are truly special.

By your logic the Denver Broncos are a less successful franchise than the Jacksonville Jaguars and Houston Texans lmao

Who said anything about franchises ? We're talking coaches. And yes, two SB losses should count against your record. It's why Marv Levy isn't held in the same breath as guys like Bill Walsh…

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

You would think you'd be avoiding this thread like the plague given your track record in it...imagine coming in here and that's your takeaway.

Cuz i'm sure had Kyle drawn up a pass play and it resulted in a safety or incompletion to stop the clock you wouldn't be in here saying what an idiot Kyle is for not trying to run the clock out.

Can't ban people because they don't agree with your takes. That's not how the rules work around here.

Kyle said specifically he called the sneak to avoid the possibility of a safety given the pressure the Rams had been bringing. A RB play would have had the same impact. A pass play, if incomplete, would have saved a time out for the Rams. Hence, the safe call was what he made. Don't judge the call by the results. Judge it by whether it was the correct call given the situation and circumstances.

Yes. It's the play not to lose mentality. You think Reid tells Mahomes to run it 3 straight in that same situation?
And if you're going to retort by saying Mac is not Mahomes….well he sure as hell had a fantastic night playing with 3rd stringers. And did a hell of a job moving the ball when the run game was non existent. In that case you have to give him a chance at least to at least try and clinch the win with his arm instead of having him QB sneak on a bum leg.

Again it becomes a moot point because the team won, but if LA wins that series with a minute left becomes a huge point of contention on all the talk shows today. You go into a game with a hobbled team. You have a chance to close the opposition out in a game where they seem to have caught fire at the right time. You don't go full turtle and play to punt to midfield and expect your defense which has been burned all day to hold them off for the clincher.

As Kyle said himself, he was playing for overtime. We all remember the last time we played for OT. It was in the SB and Kyle has loss no. 2 to show for it.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

Imagine coming in here and whining after a win like that… are you allergic to joy or something? Why even watch football?

He gets joy in being right. And since he's been saying fire Kyle and that Kyle's horrible well he's been dead wrong since then. Therefore no joy. He doesn't root for the 49ers he roots to be right.

He lost 2 Superbowls.

Super Bowl losses don't count as negative Super Bowl championships. Fans like you who think they somehow do are truly special.

By your logic the Denver Broncos are a less successful franchise than the Jacksonville Jaguars and Houston Texans lmao

Who said anything about franchises ? We're talking coaches. And yes, two SB losses should count against your record. It's why Marv Levy isn't held in the same breath as guys like Bill Walsh…

There's not getting to a Super Bowl, and then there's losing a Super Bowl.

Any fan with basic rational thought and logic would agree that losing a Super Bowl is—at the absolute worst—just as bad as not getting to the Super Bowl.

Your abhorrent logic that losing the Super Bowl is somehow WORSE than not getting there, though? It's pure stupidity. Only Jaguars and Lions and Browns and Texans fans think like that to make themselves feel better about not even sniffing a Super Bowl. "Oh well at least we haven't LOST a Super Bowl! So we're doing great!!" Are you really one of them in disguise?

Quite literally nobody who's a 49ers fan thinks "ugh if only we lost the 2019 and 2023 NFC Championships!"

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

Imagine coming in here and whining after a win like that… are you allergic to joy or something? Why even watch football?

He gets joy in being right. And since he's been saying fire Kyle and that Kyle's horrible well he's been dead wrong since then. Therefore no joy. He doesn't root for the 49ers he roots to be right.

He lost 2 Superbowls.

Super Bowl losses don't count as negative Super Bowl championships. Fans like you who think they somehow do are truly special.

By your logic the Denver Broncos are a less successful franchise than the Jacksonville Jaguars and Houston Texans lmao

Who said anything about franchises ? We're talking coaches. And yes, two SB losses should count against your record. It's why Marv Levy isn't held in the same breath as guys like Bill Walsh…

There's not getting to a Super Bowl, and then there's losing a Super Bowl.

Any fan with basic rational thought and logic would agree that losing a Super Bowl is—at the absolute worst—just as bad as not getting to the Super Bowl.

Your abhorrent logic that losing the Super Bowl is somehow WORSE than not getting there, though? It's pure stupidity. Only Jaguars and Lions and Browns and Texans fans think like that to make themselves feel better about not even sniffing a Super Bowl. "Oh well at least we haven't LOST a Super Bowl! So we're doing great!!" Are you really one of them in disguise?

Quite literally nobody who's a 49ers fan thinks "ugh if only we lost the 2019 and 2023 NFC Championships!"

So you're content with having lost 2 SBs because at least you can brag about getting there. I guess we grew up in different eras. I'm used to watching us win all our SB games. And certainly can't accept being up in both and still finding ways to lose bc our coach lacked the killer instinct.

How many different QBs have we started versus Stafford. And beaten him with?

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

Imagine coming in here and whining after a win like that… are you allergic to joy or something? Why even watch football?

He gets joy in being right. And since he's been saying fire Kyle and that Kyle's horrible well he's been dead wrong since then. Therefore no joy. He doesn't root for the 49ers he roots to be right.

He lost 2 Superbowls.

Super Bowl losses don't count as negative Super Bowl championships. Fans like you who think they somehow do are truly special.

By your logic the Denver Broncos are a less successful franchise than the Jacksonville Jaguars and Houston Texans lmao

Who said anything about franchises ? We're talking coaches. And yes, two SB losses should count against your record. It's why Marv Levy isn't held in the same breath as guys like Bill Walsh…

There's not getting to a Super Bowl, and then there's losing a Super Bowl.

Any fan with basic rational thought and logic would agree that losing a Super Bowl is—at the absolute worst—just as bad as not getting to the Super Bowl.

Your abhorrent logic that losing the Super Bowl is somehow WORSE than not getting there, though? It's pure stupidity. Only Jaguars and Lions and Browns and Texans fans think like that to make themselves feel better about not even sniffing a Super Bowl. "Oh well at least we haven't LOST a Super Bowl! So we're doing great!!" Are you really one of them in disguise?

Quite literally nobody who's a 49ers fan thinks "ugh if only we lost the 2019 and 2023 NFC Championships!"

So you're content with having lost 2 SBs because at least you can brag about getting there. I guess we grew up in different eras. I'm used to watching us win all our SB games. And certainly can't accept being up in both and still finding ways to lose bc our coach lacked the killer instinct.

You're really, really good at missing the point of what I'm saying lmao

Your logic: Winning the Super Bowl >>>>>> Not making the playoffs = losing in the playoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing the Super Bowl

A rational fan's logic: Winning the Super Bowl >>>>>> Not making the playoffs = losing in the playoffs = losing the Super Bowl

If you want to say "Kyle has never won a Super Bowl" that's perfectly fine. Go right at it. But that's not what you say. You keep saying "Kyle LOST Super Bowls " like it means something negative which is really weird, bruh. By this logic Andy Reid and Mahomes should be ashamed. They're losers because they've lost multiple Super Bowls together!

Do you genuinely believe it's better to never make the Super Bowl at all than to lose the Super Bowl? Answer the question. Odd that you keep ignoring it.

This is a big if, but IF he can get them to the SB (Levis Stadium) this season, imo, a win would make up for his 2 SB losses... since those games were rigged for the Queefs to win in the end anyway. But imagine winning a SB in your own house

How many teams have ever won a SB in their own house? Any at all? I don't know the answer, but if 49ers are the first, it will be EPIC!!

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
This is a big if, but IF he can get them to the SB (Levis Stadium) this season, imo, a win would make up for his 2 SB losses... since those games were rigged for the Queefs to win in the end anyway. But imagine winning a SB in your own house

How many teams have ever won a SB in their own house? Any at all? I don't know the answer, but if 49ers are the first, it will be EPIC!!

Up until a few years ago, it never happened.

Brady did it in Tampa a few years ago and I think the rams did too. I'd have to double check the rams one but I'm pretty sure it was in sofi when they did.

so we would be the third.

the closest we got was when the Miami vs 49ers Super Bowl was at Stanford. Our backyard

Before that, the rams lost to the Steelers when Terry Bradshaw was qb - that was hosted in Pasadena at the rose bowl for the 1979 season.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Up until a few years ago, it never happened.

Brady did it in Tampa a few years ago and I think the rams did too. I'd have to double check the rams one but I'm pretty sure it was in sofi when they did.

so we would be the third.

the closest we got was when the Miami vs 49ers Super Bowl was at Stanford. Our backyard

Before that, the rams lost to the Steelers when Terry Bradshaw was qb - that was hosted in Pasadena at the rose bowl for the 1979 season.

Thanks for all that

It's still early. We got this mini bye to rest up and get some guys back. We have the bye week late so they'll be rested for a playoff run. Gotta see what kinda deals will go down at deadline and what not

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Thanks for all that

It's still early. We got this mini bye to rest up and get some guys back. We have the bye week late so they'll be rested for a playoff run. Gotta see what kinda deals will go down at deadline and what not

I think we can continue to get better as a team if we can heal up but the glaring hole we have is pass rush. I don't think anyone we have on the roster can pass rush at the caliber we need, yet.

i think we need to make a big trade for a guy like Hendrickson, even if it's a one year deal, which it doesn't have to be. If we get him, it's massive and really puts us over the top

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think we can continue to get better as a team if we can heal up but the glaring hole we have is pass rush. I don't think anyone we have on the roster can pass rush at the caliber we need, yet.

i think we need to make a big trade for a guy like Hendrickson, even if it's a one year deal, which it doesn't have to be. If we get him, it's massive and really puts us over the top

Absolutely! And if he sticks around, him and Bosa / Williams

I'm not too optimistic of Hendrickson getting traded tho for a couple reasons... Bengals have to want to go there and will Niners spend

The "yet" part, they probably feel like the guys are progressing at a good rate and banking on them (dline) getting a lot better If things don't go how they envision by deadline, then maybe they take a couple of big swings rather than just picking up a solid rotational guy.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
This is a big if, but IF he can get them to the SB (Levis Stadium) this season, imo, a win would make up for his 2 SB losses... since those games were rigged for the Queefs to win in the end anyway. But imagine winning a SB in your own house

How many teams have ever won a SB in their own house? Any at all? I don't know the answer, but if 49ers are the first, it will be EPIC!!

Up until a few years ago, it never happened.

Brady did it in Tampa a few years ago and I think the rams did too. I'd have to double check the rams one but I'm pretty sure it was in sofi when they did.

so we would be the third.

the closest we got was when the Miami vs 49ers Super Bowl was at Stanford. Our backyard

Before that, the rams lost to the Steelers when Terry Bradshaw was qb - that was hosted in Pasadena at the rose bowl for the 1979 season.

Yes - Rams over Bengals (Super Bowl LVI) was in SoFi Stadium. For end of 2021 season, played in 2022.

On the follow-up for Super Bowl losing coaches - JMHO, but I think for many, it depends on whether that coach has also won a Super Bowl - with most of them, I don't think the Super Bowl losses really impact how they are viewed after their respective coaching days were done. What if Scott Norwood makes that kick? Marv Levi is thought of very differently. To me, he and Bud Grant really deserved a Super Bowl win, but hey......that's why they play the games, and you live with the reuslts, good or bad. Now, look at some of the all-timer Super Bowl winning coaches who also lost multiple Super Bowls - including Don Shula (4), Tom Landry (3), Bill Belichick (3), and Andy Reid (3). Yeah, Bill Walsh is on a short list of coaches with mutiple Super Bowl wins and no losses (with Vince Lombardi, Chuck Knoll, and Tom Flores). Kyle Shanahan (like it or not) will have to get a team over the hurdle to really get that level of respect......comes with the territory, and I'm pretty sure he fully knows that.

Also, no disrespect intended to the '88 SF team, who were one of my favorites (especially with the NFCCG win in frozen Chicago) and tough as they come, but that game with Cincinnati could have easily gone the other way with just a couple of plays - but Montana and company pulled it out and are deservedly and fondly remembered for it in Bill Walsh' last game.

Bill Walsh had another rare quality among his many in often (not always but more than just about anybody) getting his team to understand the opportunities/moments and the maximum execution under pressure.....also knew how to really build a roster through the draft. It's all part of it - you can't win it all every year, but if you put a team in contention enough and also sometimes get some breaks - you can reach the mountain top. Today's league is very different with roster construction, free agency, salary cap, and the way the player salaries (and market forces) have skyrocketed - you have smaller contending windows. I do think one thing hasn't really changed all that much - you have to be solid in the trenches on both sides to be among the contenders.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

Imagine coming in here and whining after a win like that… are you allergic to joy or something? Why even watch football?

He gets joy in being right. And since he's been saying fire Kyle and that Kyle's horrible well he's been dead wrong since then. Therefore no joy. He doesn't root for the 49ers he roots to be right.

He lost 2 Superbowls.

Super Bowl losses don't count as negative Super Bowl championships. Fans like you who think they somehow do are truly special.

By your logic the Denver Broncos are a less successful franchise than the Jacksonville Jaguars and Houston Texans lmao

Who said anything about franchises ? We're talking coaches. And yes, two SB losses should count against your record. It's why Marv Levy isn't held in the same breath as guys like Bill Walsh…

There's not getting to a Super Bowl, and then there's losing a Super Bowl.

Any fan with basic rational thought and logic would agree that losing a Super Bowl is—at the absolute worst—just as bad as not getting to the Super Bowl.

Your abhorrent logic that losing the Super Bowl is somehow WORSE than not getting there, though? It's pure stupidity. Only Jaguars and Lions and Browns and Texans fans think like that to make themselves feel better about not even sniffing a Super Bowl. "Oh well at least we haven't LOST a Super Bowl! So we're doing great!!" Are you really one of them in disguise?

Quite literally nobody who's a 49ers fan thinks "ugh if only we lost the 2019 and 2023 NFC Championships!"

So you're content with having lost 2 SBs because at least you can brag about getting there. I guess we grew up in different eras. I'm used to watching us win all our SB games. And certainly can't accept being up in both and still finding ways to lose bc our coach lacked the killer instinct.

You're in your late 30s lmao

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Just rewatched that last possession in the 4th quarter. Did Kyle actually call a QB sneak on first down from the one ?! Talk about give up mentality 😂

Imagine coming in here and whining after a win like that… are you allergic to joy or something? Why even watch football?

He gets joy in being right. And since he's been saying fire Kyle and that Kyle's horrible well he's been dead wrong since then. Therefore no joy. He doesn't root for the 49ers he roots to be right.

He lost 2 Superbowls.

Super Bowl losses don't count as negative Super Bowl championships. Fans like you who think they somehow do are truly special.

By your logic the Denver Broncos are a less successful franchise than the Jacksonville Jaguars and Houston Texans lmao

Who said anything about franchises ? We're talking coaches. And yes, two SB losses should count against your record. It's why Marv Levy isn't held in the same breath as guys like Bill Walsh…

There's not getting to a Super Bowl, and then there's losing a Super Bowl.

Any fan with basic rational thought and logic would agree that losing a Super Bowl is—at the absolute worst—just as bad as not getting to the Super Bowl.

Your abhorrent logic that losing the Super Bowl is somehow WORSE than not getting there, though? It's pure stupidity. Only Jaguars and Lions and Browns and Texans fans think like that to make themselves feel better about not even sniffing a Super Bowl. "Oh well at least we haven't LOST a Super Bowl! So we're doing great!!" Are you really one of them in disguise?

Quite literally nobody who's a 49ers fan thinks "ugh if only we lost the 2019 and 2023 NFC Championships!"

Fans seem to forget that the best teams in history have all lost a SB if they played in more than one or two. The Pats lost several. So did the Cowboys. The Niners losing their last 3 isdisappointing but they were all close. It's not like they got blown at and looked unprepared. In all thos losses the difference may have been ther QB. JG and Purdy aren't as good as Mahomes in crucial situations. Flacco was better than Kap. All three games were close but in the end the Niner QBs couldn't make the big throws.