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Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you two for real? Burford said he freelanced on the play aka he went AGAINST what he was coached to do on the play.

Do I need to remind you why he was on the field? You going to blame Shanahan for Feliciano getting hurt too? Did you want him to run onto the field and tell everyone "do your job guys"?

It blows my mind that some of you legit have takes like this. And save your sarcasm when you're being this ridiculous. Shanahan had his flaws in that game like any HC but he called a play that had two WRs wide open for a TD. A backup in for an injured starter not only freelanced by going against the coaching assignment on the play but did so with the idea that NOT blocking Chris Jones is the smart move to make.

And this you blame on Shanahan?? 🙄

One play does not make or break a game. The problem is shanahan fails at multiple aspects you all fail to acknowledge.

Who picks what players are on the team and the field at any given time? Who picks what gets practiced every practice? Who calls in the plays to the QB and determines how much free reign they have to audible at the line? Who decides whether to go for it or to have the kicker try? Who calls timeouts and challenges? Who picks the defensive coordinator? Who picks the offensive coordinator?

People are acting like shanahans allowed to cop out for having bad players in bad spots not execute like the miss on Reddick by the backup tight end.

Guess who gets to pick which players go where at a given time? Yup that's shanahan again. If you don't think burford is reliable than don't put him on the field or give him an easier role.

Do you think dwelley specifically practiced the play lined up against bosa in practice prior to Brock losing his arm? There is no way. There's no cop out saying well dwelley practiced that play 5x in practice against bosa and he stonewalled him every time.

If that were the case then I would blame execution. The problem is preparation and player selection. Game management needs improvement. Challenges and timeout timing is horrible. Penalties were also high last year.

All of it I put straight on the coaching.

First of all when you're responding to someone talking about that SPECIFIC play then that's what I'm going to respond to as well.

You're doing some serious mental gymnastics to put all the blame on the HC and not the players who are also getting compensated very well for their work.

Even your examples are absurd. There are things Shanahan did wrong in that SB or the other games we lost but you blaming him for some of these just makes you guys look bad and like casuals who don't understand this game.

It's not Kyle's job to remind every player on the team to do their assignment. When a player who is in the game due to injury to the guy who was playing better than him decides to "go with his gut" and his gut told him that the best pass rusher on the opposing team isn't going to rush on a critical 3rd down and you think that's more on the coach than the player...that's crazy.

As for your gripe about Kyle's call when Brock got injured, you're all over the place. Ross Dwelley had nothing to do with that play. He wasn't even active for that Eagles game. That was Tyler Kroft for one.

Second the play was a playaction pass that had Aiyuk open for a huge play if not a TD. Reddick didn't react to the run fake at all and him doing that is one of the reasons the Eagles traded him because the guy was basically ignoring his assignment and just looking for sacks. He guessed right on that play but Brock not only had the opportunity to throw the ball earlier but also step up in the pocket. Not to mention if he's hit a split second before or after he's not injured.

It was a fluke injury and one that taught Brock to throw with anticipation much better. There is no question in my mind that if that was the 2023+ version of Brock out there he hits Aiyuk for the huge play there and keeps playing the rest of that game.

There is also the fact that you can't let the defense alignment dictate what you do all the time or they will take advantage of it. You talk about bad timeouts...what do you want Kyle to do? Every time Reddick lines up against the TE call a timeout?

Nobody complained when Andy Reid did something very similar against Reddick in the SB. Andy just had an extra game to identify the aggression and use it, similar to what Kyle did when we played the Eagles with Reddick again the year after.

There are things you can blame Kyle for that are legit things without making up stuff.

For instance in that last SB it was him running the game plan through Deebo even though he was clearly dealing with something and once KC went to man coverage he was pretty much useless. Should've shifted to funnel the offense through Aiyuk, JJ and Kittle instead(tho George had his own injury)

But even with that gripe they still easily could've won the game. Several plays/situations happened in that game that if a single one of them is flipped we likely win the game. None of them had anything to do with Kyle Shanahan unless you think his play design was for CMC to fumble, ball to hit Luter's leg and then McCloud decide to try to scoop it up and make a play vs just falling on it to maintain possession, etc.
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Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Shanastans won't accept that by any means.

Shanahan is perfect in their eyes that's why he has won........0 rings despite having a roster full of great players that other coaches only would dream about.

8 seasons of having full support from the owner with money for extensions, money for free agents, the trade-up for Lance whitout having a plan to develop him, scapegoating defensive coordinators and all that for a grand total of 0 Super Bowl victories.

Now the total support from the owner is over and that means that Shanahan's seat of getting warm we want to accept it or not and I'm glad for it.

Find me one person who claims Kyle is perfect.

When all you have to make your points is hyperbole and make believe takes, it means you're not making a legit point.
Man it's hard to get excited about next season. . We've lost a lot talent wise. Let's see what happens with the draft I guess.
Originally posted by genus49:
First of all when you're responding to someone talking about that SPECIFIC play then that's what I'm going to respond to as well.

You're doing some serious mental gymnastics to put all the blame on the HC and not the players who are also getting compensated very well for their work.

Even your examples are absurd. There are things Shanahan did wrong in that SB or the other games we lost but you blaming him for some of these just makes you guys look bad and like casuals who don't understand this game.

It's not Kyle's job to remind every player on the team to do their assignment. When a player who is in the game due to injury to the guy who was playing better than him decides to "go with his gut" and his gut told him that the best pass rusher on the opposing team isn't going to rush on a critical 3rd down and you think that's more on the coach than the player...that's crazy.

As for your gripe about Kyle's call when Brock got injured, you're all over the place. Ross Dwelley had nothing to do with that play. He wasn't even active for that Eagles game. That was Tyler Kroft for one.

Second the play was a playaction pass that had Aiyuk open for a huge play if not a TD. Reddick didn't react to the run fake at all and him doing that is one of the reasons the Eagles traded him because the guy was basically ignoring his assignment and just looking for sacks. He guessed right on that play but Brock not only had the opportunity to throw the ball earlier but also step up in the pocket. Not to mention if he's hit a split second before or after he's not injured.

It was a fluke injury and one that taught Brock to throw with anticipation much better. There is no question in my mind that if that was the 2023+ version of Brock out there he hits Aiyuk for the huge play there and keeps playing the rest of that game.

There is also the fact that you can't let the defense alignment dictate what you do all the time or they will take advantage of it. You talk about bad timeouts...what do you want Kyle to do? Every time Reddick lines up against the TE call a timeout?

Nobody complained when Andy Reid did something very similar against Reddick in the SB. Andy just had an extra game to identify the aggression and use it, similar to what Kyle did when we played the Eagles with Reddick again the year after.

There are things you can blame Kyle for that are legit things without making up stuff.

For instance in that last SB it was him running the game plan through Deebo even though he was clearly dealing with something and once KC went to man coverage he was pretty much useless. Should've shifted to funnel the offense through Aiyuk, JJ and Kittle instead(tho George had his own injury)

But even with that gripe they still easily could've won the game. Several plays/situations happened in that game that if a single one of them is flipped we likely win the game. None of them had anything to do with Kyle Shanahan unless you think his play design was for CMC to fumble, ball to hit Luter's leg and then McCloud decide to try to scoop it up and make a play vs just falling on it to maintain possession, etc.

I am not saying it's entirely kyles fault. I am saying he does enough on his own to manifest choking a game away when facing 4 good teams in a row.

We can talk about the eagles game more. Prior to the Reddick brock play the pass to Brown was the momentum swing for the entire game. It literally hit the ground and wasn't a catch. If Kyle correctly challenges it or even calls timeout to mess up the tempo than the Brock play never happens.

It's basic. Even the crowd tells you you should be calling timeout because they were entirely out of it until that series. Even if you don't challenge it immediately you buy yourself enough time to look at it longer.

Your also saying Andy has another week to prepare for Reddick. It was well known he was a DE masquerading as a lb. This isn't some surprise fact that came up against us. This was well known and could have been prepared for.

The CMC fumble was also entirely predictable. He literally already fumbled it on a similar series against the browns during the year when he came back from injury. You knew he would blow it being hurt in the SB. Also since we want to talk about it Mason was already there averaging over 5 ypc and how many carries did he get during the SB?

We won't ever win a SB with shanahan unless he gets some sort of miracle luck with other teams injuries or we have twice the all pros of every other team.

Sometimes between the wild card round to the SB he will always do enough to handicap the team to where a victory that should have been 75% likely we win he negates to 50/50 through poor preparation or game management.

It's the same problem harbaugh had which is stubbornness to adjust or change. His system works most of the time so he refuses to prepare differently, game manage differently or make in game adjustments. It's just not good enough against 4 good teams in a row.
[ Edited by BoldRedandGold on Mar 19, 2025 at 10:30 AM ]
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I am not saying it's entirely kyles fault. I am saying he does enough on his own to manifest choking a game away when facing 4 good teams in a row.

We can talk about the eagles game more. Prior to the Reddick brock play the pass to Brown was the momentum swing for the entire game. It literally hit the ground and wasn't a catch. If Kyle correctly challenges it or even calls timeout to mess up the tempo than the Brock play never happens.

It's basic. Even the crowd tells you you should be calling timeout because they were entirely out of it until that series. Even if you don't challenge it immediately you buy yourself enough time to look at it longer.

Your also saying Andy has another week to prepare for Reddick. It was well known he was a DE masquerading as a lb. This isn't some surprise fact that came up against us. This was well known and could have been prepared for.

The CMC fumble was also entirely predictable. He literally already fumbled it on a similar series against the browns during the year when he came back from injury. You knew he would blow it being hurt in the SB. Also since we want to talk about it Mason was already there averaging over 5 ypc and how many carries did he get during the SB?

We won't ever win a SB with shanahan unless he gets some sort of miracle luck with other teams injuries or we have twice the all pros of every other team.

Sometimes between the wild card round to the SB he will always do enough to handicap the team to where a victory that should have been 75% likely we win he negates to 50/50 through poor preparation or game management.

It's the same problem harbaugh had which is stubbornness to adjust or change. His system works most of the time so he refuses to prepare differently, game manage differently or make in game adjustments. It's just not good enough against 4 good teams in a row.

And all I'm saying is there is enough with Kyle that we can criticize without going to extreme takes which dilute the conversation.

Blaming Kyle for Burford not blocking Chris Jones as designed is absurd.

Blaming Kyle for not challenging Devonta Smith(it wasn't Brown) non catch during the Eagles NFCCG is a legit issue, though I was more upset that the NFL NY office could've easily overturned a critical call like that but claimed that they didn't have the view the TV audience saw(tell me that's not a load of BS btw)

But yes in that situation Kyle should've challenged. Big enough moment where you risk the challenge and the timeout. I believe he claimed the guys on the field weren't super confident and it was early enough he didn't want to lose the challenge. Big miss by him and hopefully he learned from it(though these days NFL would overturn it I believe)

But you're also misremembering things in a big way, from mentioning the play was to Brown to saying they weren't doing anything until that series. That was the first drive of the game...as far as Brock not getting hurt if that's reviewed that's a pure hypothetical.

And now you're back with the CMC fumble was predictable. I'm genuinely trying to have a conversation with you but I'm taken back by stuff like this. First of all the fumble was against Minnesota, second it was in week 7 and he had 0 fumbles since that game but somehow him fumbling in week 7 of the regular season against a different team makes his fumble in the SB on a different run play predictable?

We don't know what we'll accomplish with Kyle, seeing how the team looks after this offseason will be very telling. To me it looks like Kyle is trying to change his stripes, he's certainly proven to be a lot more willing to change than Harbaugh. Harbaugh didn't have injury issues in his SB and lost to an inferior team with a lightening in a bottle QB. They are not the same.

Kyle doesn't need crazy luck(though that would certainly not hurt) he just needs to get an equal playing field with the refs. We get that and he's got 2 SB wins.
Originally posted by BMoore56:
Man it's hard to get excited about next season. . We've lost a lot talent wise. Let's see what happens with the draft I guess.

Yep, it is hard. The ship may have sailed for Kyle in SF. If he wins it all with another team..f that. Ridiculous that we didn't win in Vegas. Also, too many mistakes by the FO..one minute they seem sharp..next minute they look like Dumb and Dumber, foolish. Hopefully, they turn it around but rn, I feel like Shanny will win it with another team. Who knows.
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Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by BMoore56:
Man it's hard to get excited about next season. . We've lost a lot talent wise. Let's see what happens with the draft I guess.

Yep, it is hard. The ship may have sailed for Kyle in SF. If he wins it all with another team..f that. Ridiculous that we didn't win in Vegas. Also, too many mistakes by the FO..one minute they seem sharp..next minute they look like Dumb and Dumber, foolish. Hopefully, they turn it around but rn, I feel like Shanny will win it with another team. Who knows.

I'm not sure the webzine can handle another losing season right now 😭. Kyle and Lynch had been turn things around or this place could get ugly. It's been awhile since this has had back to back losing seasons, so I'm not gonna panic just yet.
Originally posted by genus49:
And all I'm saying is there is enough with Kyle that we can criticize without going to extreme takes which dilute the conversation.

Blaming Kyle for Burford not blocking Chris Jones as designed is absurd.

Blaming Kyle for not challenging Devonta Smith(it wasn't Brown) non catch during the Eagles NFCCG is a legit issue, though I was more upset that the NFL NY office could've easily overturned a critical call like that but claimed that they didn't have the view the TV audience saw(tell me that's not a load of BS btw)

But yes in that situation Kyle should've challenged. Big enough moment where you risk the challenge and the timeout. I believe he claimed the guys on the field weren't super confident and it was early enough he didn't want to lose the challenge. Big miss by him and hopefully he learned from it(though these days NFL would overturn it I believe)

But you're also misremembering things in a big way, from mentioning the play was to Brown to saying they weren't doing anything until that series. That was the first drive of the game...as far as Brock not getting hurt if that's reviewed that's a pure hypothetical.

And now you're back with the CMC fumble was predictable. I'm genuinely trying to have a conversation with you but I'm taken back by stuff like this. First of all the fumble was against Minnesota, second it was in week 7 and he had 0 fumbles since that game but somehow him fumbling in week 7 of the regular season against a different team makes his fumble in the SB on a different run play predictable?

We don't know what we'll accomplish with Kyle, seeing how the team looks after this offseason will be very telling. To me it looks like Kyle is trying to change his stripes, he's certainly proven to be a lot more willing to change than Harbaugh. Harbaugh didn't have injury issues in his SB and lost to an inferior team with a lightening in a bottle QB. They are not the same.

Kyle doesn't need crazy luck(though that would certainly not hurt) he just needs to get an equal playing field with the refs. We get that and he's got 2 SB wins.
Having burford on the team and failing to add talent to the offensive line is entirely on Kyle and co. Again offensive line has been a known weakness without major investment. Again part of this falls into the lance trade issue but I'll leave that to the side for now.

Expecting him not to suck is again a coaching issue. It's like expecting brendel not to be run over every play.

It is predictable in that a running back that is injured is more likely to fumble the ball. Especially when you lean your entire offense on giving them as many touches as possible.

He fumbled the same way coming back from injury earlier in the year. He was known injured going into the SB. It's not a stretch at all to predict that he might have an issue in that game whether it be a fumble or a tipped ball that turns into a pick etc...

The more touches you give him the more likely that happening becomes.

I'm not going to turn this into a Kyle vs harbaugh debate. The point I'm making is it's entirely justifiable to look at firing shanahan in the same way it's justifiable to fire harbaugh. In some ways more.

We shouldn't have had to rely on the refs in either game. We could have smashed the chiefs in both games off talent alone via preparation. The 49ers were more talented in both games especially the second one. We could have eagles throttled them both times

We have seen shanahan for 8 years. We know what we're getting. He will manifest the choke through critical errors the same way he always has.

Remember doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

The most irritating part to me is the burying of young players and good players for veterans and inability to drastically attack other teams weaknesses game to game. We have seen it happen like once in the packers game where the game plan drastically changed from the previous week.

Additionally, I have no confidence in his QB development. Based on what we saw from Jimmy and the regression last year from Brock I lean heavily towards QBs are best the least they know if his system.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Brock can elevate his game to another level but I have serious doubts given the system.
[ Edited by BoldRedandGold on Mar 19, 2025 at 12:13 PM ]
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Having burford on the team and failing to add talent to the offensive line is entirely on Kyle and co. Again offensive line has been a known weakness without major investment. Again part of this falls into the lance trade issue but I'll leave that to the side for now.

Expecting him not to suck is again a coaching issue. It's like expecting brendel not to be run over every play.

It is predictable in that a running back that is injured is more likely to fumble the ball. Especially when you lean your entire offense on giving them as many touches as possible.

He fumbled the same way coming back from injury earlier in the year. He was known injured going into the SB. It's not a stretch at all to predict that he might have an issue in that game whether it be a fumble or a tipped ball that turns into a pick etc...

The more touches you give him the more likely that happening becomes.

I'm not going to turn this into a Kyle vs harbaugh debate. The point I'm making is it's entirely justifiable to look at firing shanahan in the same way it's justifiable to fire harbaugh. In some ways more.

We shouldn't have had to rely on the refs in either game. We could have smashed the chiefs in both games off talent alone via preparation. The 49ers were more talented in both games especially the second one. We could have eagles throttled them both times

We have seen shanahan for 8 years. We know what we're getting. He will manifest the choke through critical errors the same way he always has.

Remember doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

The most irritating part to me is the burying of young players and good players for veterans and inability to drastically attack other teams weaknesses game to game. We have seen it happen like once in the packers game where the game plan drastically changed from the previous week.

Additionally, I have no confidence in his QB development. Based on what we saw from Jimmy and the regression last year from Brock I lean heavily towards QBs are best the least they know if his system.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Brock can elevate his game to another level but I have serious doubts given the system.

They did add talent - Jon Feliciano was added that offseason and played well enough to take the starting job from Burford. Do you blame Shanahan for Felicano's injury? That's why Burford was in the game. Burford is a solid player who f*cked up. So you trying to act like they had Pee Wee Herman out there at LG cuz Kyle didn't care about OL isn't it. The expectation was for him to do his job. He doesn't even have to stonewall Jones on that play. He literally just had to get in his way, that would've given Brock enough time to find JJ or BA for TDs on the play.

CMC wasn't injured going into that game. He got banged up in the Washington game and sat vs the Rams like most of our starters with the understanding that had we needed to win that game he would've played. He then got another week to rest for our bye week. He played in 98% of our offensive plays vs GB. 91% vs Detroit and 95% in the SB. That's not an injured player so you're making things up that aren't there again.

And no we were not more talented than the Chiefs. We were literally the underdogs in 2019. In the last SB the Chiefs had the better QB, OL and defense. How exactly do you believe we were more talented? We had more big name players, that doesn't mean more talented. Especially when some of our big name players played their worst game.

And the Eagles who you bring up had no weaknesses. Unlike us they had a dominant OL, receivers who could beat man coverage and a defense that was excellent and could simply rush 4 against a weak Chiefs OL. As for those refs not being a factor I can give you several calls in that game that went for the Eagles that completely changed that game early on and then it got so out of hand in part because the Chiefs OL couldn't hold to stop their pass rush that it didn't matter.

It's not a coincidence that in the 3 KC wins they weren't flagged for holding on the OL once.

As for the QB development what we saw last year from Brock was a far cry from Jimmy's regression. We also saw Jimmy away from Kyle's offense.

What's funny to me is you're talking about Kyle's reluctance to play young players(I agree with this criticism) while we're clearly trimming off vets who weren't producing and about to hand several key spots on our squad to rookies and young players.

...maybe Kyle isn't as unwilling to change as you think.

Vegas believes!
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Vegas believes!

I'm a pretty optimistic fan usually but I don't know what they're smoking. Right now I don't get it at all.

Now after the draft and maybe heading into week 1 when things can happen and you get a better idea of how rosters will look going into the regular season but NOW?

I guess they just really believe in our coaching staff 🤨
The draft can't get here fast enough. I am excited to see what we do with 11 picks.
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
The draft can't get here fast enough. I am excited to see what we do with 11 picks.

A bunch of kickers, punters, and special teams ace.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Vegas believes!

I'm a pretty optimistic fan usually but I don't know what they're smoking. Right now I don't get it at all.

Now after the draft and maybe heading into week 1 when things can happen and you get a better idea of how rosters will look going into the regular season but NOW?

I guess they just really believe in our coaching staff 🤨

If the 49ers make the playoffs they have a very high chance of making it to the NFC championship game.
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