49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by libertyforever:
The Seahawks took away the medium deep between the numbers. Brock made them paid with the pin point deep throws.

Yeah. They learned that Brock is not Jimmy. Giving us deep throws is scary for defenses.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I'd say we played like a B- overall type of game and still put up like 500 yards of offense lol...

it was a clinic.. scheming Deebo on that fat LB they spent a couple ones on

Well...because the guy throws it and the other guy catches,...yea.

When 1 of the 2 doesn't get the job done it is "getting too cute" in the gameday thread.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Heroism:
For those of you that were old enough to experience and remember the 1994 offense, does this offense remind you of that one? I feel like there many similarities with the weapons when I watch the 1994 Super Bowl highlights.

Yes in principle. Difference is the 1994 team was after over a decade of seeing similar offenses, so it was expected and felt like clockwork, with nearly zero tension around it. As well as the offense had played this year I still feel a bit in a dream expecting to wake up and for it to go away.

Agree with both, and *one* similarity to that super bowl team is that Brock is statistically putting up numbers that are very comparable to Steve Young's 1994 numbers.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
is he still on the hot seat?

the only one with a cooler seat around the league is Andy reid

I'd say John Harbaugh completes the "ice cold seat" trio.

add in Brandon Staley to complete the Mt Rushmore of cold seats.

idk how Staley still has that job, he's horrible, better DC than HC, I feel bad for Herbert, being ruined, no chance at playoffs, now injured with a finger injury.

same, He should've been fired after that 27-0 lead in the playoffs blunder lol.... He was good as the Rams DC when they won it all that year. Most likely just too much on his plate as HC. Herbert should just sit out the rest of season since it doesn't look like they're going to make the playoffs.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
not really...no...

Both teams had questionable o-line....so that is similar....but the offense is different.

This team is run the ball better for sure for starters....but.... Ricky Watters was a deeper threat in the passing game. Ricky Watters sure feels like a bigger part of the passing game then CMC feels to be...to me...they could end up with similar numbers at the end of the year...but it does feel different to me. Ricky lined up outside and did more WR things the way I remember it. Watters ended up that year with 700 yards through pass receptions on 88 targets. CMC right now is in the 400s with 50 targets.

The 94 team had a polar opposite passing game, and focus on shorter passes with more RAC.

Rice, Taylor and Jones were in the 13 yards per catch area, Deebo is at 16+ and BA is almost at 19 yards per catch.

19 YPC back then was rarer...that is flirting with Alvin "I only run go routs" Harper type stuff. No one ran crossing patterns at 20 yards as a bread and butter play back then.

I have never seen a 49er team throw the ball deep as often as this team. I have never seen a QB this good at going for the Jugular as often as I have seen Purdy do it.

Deebo has a little Rice in him, in that you have to hold your breath when he gets a ball in space...because he can break free and run....so there is that....but BA is no John Taylor...not even post injury level John Taylor. Even post injury Taylor was a better YAC guy then BA.

BA is probably a better WR than JT, but we never saw JT as a primary target.

So yeah...to me... it was just different.

I love young, I got lit-up in the Montana vs Young thread for saying I go with Young over Montana to build an offense from scratch due to mobility and Joe's injury issues....but Purdy is something else.... never seen a QB do what he is doing with the ball. Purdy is out QBing the 94 49ers this year.

Lol… rightfully so, though those are two things to throw in Steve's bucket for the comparison. Steve was my favorite player but Joe was just a smarter QB.

Wonder how long its going to be before Purdy is thrown in the mix in comparison, beyond just saying he's the best QB we've had since Garcia. Probably not long, especially if we grab a ring.

yeah I got hella dumped on for the Steve over Joe stuff...and that is fair....at this point I have probably watched most of the available games from the 80s and 90s 5 or 6 times each.

To me....I have to throw out the Dallas games looking at Young. Montana never had to face a team like that, a dynasty that blocked the Superbowl during the majority of the prime SB eligible years. Joe was awesome, Steve was awesome ...I get why people go the direction they go in that debate....I recognize my logic there is outside the box, and don't think the Joe crowd is wrong.

I brought it up in the Purdy thread...because.... Purdy right now...looks better.

What makes a legend is circumstance and opportunity..... it is not just what you do on the field. It is what you do, and when you do it.

Purdy will get more opportunity this post season to build his legend....but right now he is doing really special stuff. I think one thing he can't do....is go back in time and do it first. What Montana did, in his ERA was something that had never really been done at the level he was doing it. To be the first ultra efficient QB winning in the post season when most teams were still 3 yards and a cloud of dust....that is an opportunity Montana had, that Brock will never have.

Montana won shootouts his first Super Bowl run....and that stuck with him his entire career. People tend to forget that in the next 9 playoff games during those superowl runs the 49ers only gave up 80 points.That includes teams scoring in garbage time against them. 4 of those 9 games they gave up 3 points or less. It is very fair to argue that 3 of those 4 super bowls were lead by the defense handing the offense opportunity....but history does not remember it that way...they remember Joe Cool and that first superbowl run.

I guess the point I am making is.....

if you are younger...and your eyes gloss over when us old dudes talk about Joe and Steve....and we pay all this homage to those dudes and use words like Magic, and Legend and GOAT and stuff like that....take some solace in your guy Purdy is doing some remarkable stuff....right now...week in and week out. His A game is as good...heck maybe better than Steve and Joe....what frames the production is circumstance and when it happened. Purdy will get his shot at magic...for sure...and I 100% believe he is up to the challenge.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
yeah I got hella dumped on for the Steve over Joe stuff...and that is fair....at this point I have probably watched most of the available games from the 80s and 90s 5 or 6 times each.

To me....I have to throw out the Dallas games looking at Young. Montana never had to face a team like that, a dynasty that blocked the Superbowl during the majority of the prime SB eligible years. Joe was awesome, Steve was awesome ...I get why people go the direction they go in that debate....I recognize my logic there is outside the box, and don't think the Joe crowd is wrong.

I brought it up in the Purdy thread...because.... Purdy right now...looks better.

What makes a legend is circumstance and opportunity..... it is not just what you do on the field. It is what you do, and when you do it.

Purdy will get more opportunity this post season to build his legend....but right now he is doing really special stuff. I think one thing he can't do....is go back in time and do it first. What Montana did, in his ERA was something that had never really been done at the level he was doing it. To be the first ultra efficient QB winning in the post season when most teams were still 3 yards and a cloud of dust....that is an opportunity Montana had, that Brock will never have.

Montana won shootouts his first Super Bowl run....and that stuck with him his entire career. People tend to forget that in the next 9 playoff games during those superowl runs the 49ers only gave up 80 points.That includes teams scoring in garbage time against them. 4 of those 9 games they gave up 3 points or less. It is very fair to argue that 3 of those 4 super bowls were lead by the defense handing the offense opportunity....but history does not remember it that way...they remember Joe Cool and that first superbowl run.

I guess the point I am making is.....

if you are younger...and your eyes gloss over when us old dudes talk about Joe and Steve....and we pay all this homage to those dudes and use words like Magic, and Legend and GOAT and stuff like that....take some solace in your guy Purdy is doing some remarkable stuff....right now...week in and week out. His A game is as good...heck maybe better than Steve and Joe....what frames the production is circumstance and when it happened. Purdy will get his shot at magic...for sure...and I 100% believe he is up to the challenge.

I think it's a great post overall. Couldn't agree more about Joe's circumstances and to a lesser extent Steve's… especially in comparison to today (and really other players of their time).

Originally posted by est1985:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by est1985:
Let's say we ignore Kyle's blunder on that before halftime situation, shouldn't the clock have stopped anyway? It was a penalty on Seattle and even if there wasn't a penalty wouldn't still be an incompletion stopping the clock? I was so confused by that.

Kyle has the choice to accept or decline the run off, he decided not to. It was an interesting choice to say the least, definitely a head scratcher.

I understand the runoff aspect. Doesn't the clock still stop after the runoff?

Nope, it stops until the the refs give the go ahead to start the clock again when everything is set and ready.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

One at a time. #FTTB pic.twitter.com/6YVpb2f2hR

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) December 11, 2023

f**k, I love this team. Just exceptional dudes all over this roster.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by est1985:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by est1985:
Let's say we ignore Kyle's blunder on that before halftime situation, shouldn't the clock have stopped anyway? It was a penalty on Seattle and even if there wasn't a penalty wouldn't still be an incompletion stopping the clock? I was so confused by that.

Kyle has the choice to accept or decline the run off, he decided not to. It was an interesting choice to say the least, definitely a head scratcher.

I understand the runoff aspect. Doesn't the clock still stop after the runoff?

Nope, it stops until the the refs give the go ahead to start the clock again when everything is set and ready.

Not inside of the 2 min. Automatic run off

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
yeah I got hella dumped on for the Steve over Joe stuff...and that is fair....at this point I have probably watched most of the available games from the 80s and 90s 5 or 6 times each.

To me....I have to throw out the Dallas games looking at Young. Montana never had to face a team like that, a dynasty that blocked the Superbowl during the majority of the prime SB eligible years. Joe was awesome, Steve was awesome ...I get why people go the direction they go in that debate....I recognize my logic there is outside the box, and don't think the Joe crowd is wrong.

I brought it up in the Purdy thread...because.... Purdy right now...looks better.

What makes a legend is circumstance and opportunity..... it is not just what you do on the field. It is what you do, and when you do it.

Purdy will get more opportunity this post season to build his legend....but right now he is doing really special stuff. I think one thing he can't do....is go back in time and do it first. What Montana did, in his ERA was something that had never really been done at the level he was doing it. To be the first ultra efficient QB winning in the post season when most teams were still 3 yards and a cloud of dust....that is an opportunity Montana had, that Brock will never have.

Montana won shootouts his first Super Bowl run....and that stuck with him his entire career. People tend to forget that in the next 9 playoff games during those superowl runs the 49ers only gave up 80 points.That includes teams scoring in garbage time against them. 4 of those 9 games they gave up 3 points or less. It is very fair to argue that 3 of those 4 super bowls were lead by the defense handing the offense opportunity....but history does not remember it that way...they remember Joe Cool and that first superbowl run.

I guess the point I am making is.....

if you are younger...and your eyes gloss over when us old dudes talk about Joe and Steve....and we pay all this homage to those dudes and use words like Magic, and Legend and GOAT and stuff like that....take some solace in your guy Purdy is doing some remarkable stuff....right now...week in and week out. His A game is as good...heck maybe better than Steve and Joe....what frames the production is circumstance and when it happened. Purdy will get his shot at magic...for sure...and I 100% believe he is up to the challenge.

I think it's a great post overall. Couldn't agree more about Joe's circumstances and to a lesser extent Steve's… especially in comparison to today (and really other players of their time).

Agree with both, and I'll just add that Brock's arm is stronger than Joes, and comparable to Steves.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

One at a time. #FTTB pic.twitter.com/6YVpb2f2hR

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) December 11, 2023

f**k, I love this team. Just exceptional dudes all over this roster.

No doubt

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

One at a time. #FTTB pic.twitter.com/6YVpb2f2hR

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) December 11, 2023

f**k, I love this team. Just exceptional dudes all over this roster.

This teams gives me the feeling from the 80's Dynasty teams. Wow!

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree with both, and I'll just add that Brock's arm is stronger than Joes, and comparable to Steves.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
yeah I got hella dumped on for the Steve over Joe stuff...and that is fair....at this point I have probably watched most of the available games from the 80s and 90s 5 or 6 times each.

To me....I have to throw out the Dallas games looking at Young. Montana never had to face a team like that, a dynasty that blocked the Superbowl during the majority of the prime SB eligible years. Joe was awesome, Steve was awesome ...I get why people go the direction they go in that debate....I recognize my logic there is outside the box, and don't think the Joe crowd is wrong.

I brought it up in the Purdy thread...because.... Purdy right now...looks better.

What makes a legend is circumstance and opportunity..... it is not just what you do on the field. It is what you do, and when you do it.

Purdy will get more opportunity this post season to build his legend....but right now he is doing really special stuff. I think one thing he can't do....is go back in time and do it first. What Montana did, in his ERA was something that had never really been done at the level he was doing it. To be the first ultra efficient QB winning in the post season when most teams were still 3 yards and a cloud of dust....that is an opportunity Montana had, that Brock will never have.

Montana won shootouts his first Super Bowl run....and that stuck with him his entire career. People tend to forget that in the next 9 playoff games during those superowl runs the 49ers only gave up 80 points.That includes teams scoring in garbage time against them. 4 of those 9 games they gave up 3 points or less. It is very fair to argue that 3 of those 4 super bowls were lead by the defense handing the offense opportunity....but history does not remember it that way...they remember Joe Cool and that first superbowl run.

I guess the point I am making is.....

if you are younger...and your eyes gloss over when us old dudes talk about Joe and Steve....and we pay all this homage to those dudes and use words like Magic, and Legend and GOAT and stuff like that....take some solace in your guy Purdy is doing some remarkable stuff....right now...week in and week out. His A game is as good...heck maybe better than Steve and Joe....what frames the production is circumstance and when it happened. Purdy will get his shot at magic...for sure...and I 100% believe he is up to the challenge.

Originally posted by Giedi:
This teams gives me the feeling from the 80's Dynasty teams. Wow!

Dshearn, terrific post and I think you got it all. It is great to have to go back to the glory days of the 80s and re-remember all the thrills , excitement, incredible football experience, and then compare it to the Brock/ #71, #85, BA, CMC, Deebo, au jus, plus a DL and pair of Best tandem in the league LBs, plus some terrific talent in our DBs.

Agree with Giedi that this team gives me the feeling of those fantastic days in the 80s. Brock is not Joe, but his talent early on, right out of the box after JG went down last yr, and with Lance hurt….who in the world saw that coming? We will need to see lots more playing time from Brock, but good grief, the things that kid has shown us is just mind blowing. He can't be Joe….nobody can. But wow, Brock is just something else . He has a lot of post season wins to take care of and will have to win it all several or more times to start his own incredible legend, but looking at his QB talent/ mind/ awareness/ 7th sense/ and let's not forget his escapability…plus pinpoint accuracy + throwing guys before the break….cripes, when was the last time we saw a QB like that…anywhere? If he can just stay healthy, Brock already has all the makings of LEGEND. To accomplish that and put it in the books, he now has to produce for some years to make that LEGEND come true.

How this could happen from the last pick in the draft…all i can think of is that the 49ers are blessed. The pendulum always swings back, and we just finished 8 yrs of health, health, health, health and more health…all of it bad. So maybe, this is part of the story of the pendulum. Maybe the football gods do have a sense of humor after all…but with all the fantastical injuries the past 8 yrs, , it kinda feels like they owe us.

Brock is here to carry on the 49er legend, and therefore his own. Please Lord, keep him healthy….oh, and the rest of the team , also.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

One at a time. #FTTB pic.twitter.com/6YVpb2f2hR

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) December 11, 2023

f**k, I love this team. Just exceptional dudes all over this roster.

This teams gives me the feeling from the 80's Dynasty teams. Wow!

i want to get excited like yall but i remember feeling this way in 2011-12 and 2019