49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

uh oh more blame game lol

there is no way you know this is true.. but we can show you all the misreads, hesitation and flat out WTF plays happening at the QB position

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

uh oh more blame game lol

there is no way you know this is true.. but we can show you all the misreads, hesitation and flat out WTF plays happening at the QB position

Actually we can. That study you ignored proved it.

Good Lord, man.

The sadder part is I was backing Kyle up here noting we should have expected a big drop off in the semantics with such a high turnover rate.

You're obsessed with Jimmy, dude.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

Since this KW's video has come out. Folks including you are painting Kyle as so incompetent that he should find a new profession. As if it were McDaniel's and other coaches who have propped him up all these years. Players and coaches alike have given plenty of praise for his acumen as a play designer and play caller.

The fact of the matter is there are issues with this team and Kyle does deserve some of the criticism. But he lost his starting QB who he spent all off season installing a system for. A QB with completely different attributes to Jimmy. Not to mention a new offensive coaching staff who has had to do this same exact 180. I am sure it is not an easy task to ask your newly acquired staff to say throw all this s**t we did this past summer out the f**king window and start fresh mid season.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Ncommand will get triggered when he hears Cosell say quarterbacks can help their O line.

Hey All, if we say Mahomes played better than Jimmy are we Chief fans now?

Mahomes is better than Jimmy. I don't think there is anyone in here who would dispute that. Doesn't mean we can't beat them if everyone gets healthy and brings their "A" game to any possible rematch down the road.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Even the subtleties of routes pointed out, there isn't an emphasis on the key details and like you noted, Jimmy isn't the leader to be calling dudes out on the field and sidelines. Our dudes drop bombs or get sacked and it's just no big deal. Next play.

I remember last year in the Bear game guys were dropping balls left and right. JG got the WR group together on the sideline and was leading em through it. The broadcast picked this up said something to the effect that this is the leadership you want to see. I think JG can be a positive force with the players. I haven't seen him get in the coaches ears or get on players butts in a critical way. If he's upset it's usually with himself it seems.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing Warner mentioned on some of these open RB checkdowns is if a guy is hot as a rusher.. meaning no blocker assigned.. you have to throw to that side and keep the eyes there. On the All-22 we may see that the checkdown away from the hot rusher is open, yet as a QB if you turn away from the free rusher you are taking a gamble the guy is open.. if he is covered you now have nowhere to throw the ball and the free rusher that you now cannot see is about to annihilate you. You always keep the free rusher in view and throw to the side he vacates. He gives a good example of a play where the play design makes this impossible.. the routes just take forever and a day... with no route adjustment during blitz.

I've been trying for 2 days to drive that KW point home for 9ers4eva to no avail. LOL

Maybe you'll have better luck. Another reason you pass to the blitz side is they are vacating their area and there should be less defenders there in coverage too (in theory).

Some of these I think of what TB12 would do.. he would spike the ball at the feet of these half baked routes.. he'd then be barking at ppl about why he has to have plays with a hot rusher and nowhere to throw.. and the offense or that play would change / improve. That would be next level quarterbacking.

just like what Brady does or what AA ron does.. heck Just looks what BDN does.. some times a QB can just move/step away in the pocket

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
https://www.nfl.com/videos/mullens-beats-seahawks-blitz-with-last-second-pass-to-pettis-for-26-yards-292863

Heres a play where Warners criticism would be valid. Yet Nick is able to get his eyes from front to back, buy time and make a throw against a zero blitz. Guess he didn't get the memo to stay on the primary no matter what.

Nobody is saying you need to stay with your primary no matter what. We're saying with a zero blitz, you have to make a pre snap choice. Kittle 1on1 with outside leverage is a great choice and it's how Kyle designed it. There's nothing wrong with that decision.

Execution, on the other hand, not so much.

You two are twisting things here.

you been saying a lot stuff on this

this is an easy read with jimmy completing it to wilson and mitchell before

but lets play your game, why does jimmy need to stare down Kittle instead of throwing to the spot where he should be ?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

Since this KW's video has come out. Folks including you are painting Kyle as so incompetent that he should find a new profession. As if it were McDaniel's and other coaches who have propped him up all these years. Players and coaches alike have given plenty of praise for his acumen as a play designer and play caller.

The fact of the matter is there are issues with this team and Kyle does deserve some of the criticism. But he lost his starting QB who he spent all off season installing a system for. A QB with completely different attributes to Jimmy. Not to mention a new offensive coaching staff who has had to do this same exact 180. I am sure it is not an easy task to ask your newly acquired staff to say throw all this s**t we did this past summer out the f**king window and start fresh mid season.

Nobody should be disparaging Kyle overall as a play designer. As an in-game play caller on his own now?

Fans are just recognizing there are far more issues than the QB position right now and they start and end with the HC. If Trey was starting, none of the listed issues magically disappear either.

That's the bigger concern.

I want Kyle to stay but these non-QB issues are real, ST is 29th, the defense has gone from historic highs to lows in a 3 week period, annual injuries continue to be a theme esp. going into big games, etc.

I know he's doing everything he can. I do know that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Even the subtleties of routes pointed out, there isn't an emphasis on the key details and like you noted, Jimmy isn't the leader to be calling dudes out on the field and sidelines. Our dudes drop bombs or get sacked and it's just no big deal. Next play.

I remember last year in the Bear game guys were dropping balls left and right. JG got the WR group together on the sideline and was leading em through it. The broadcast picked this up said something to the effect that this is the leadership you want to see. I think JG can be a positive force with the players. I haven't seen him get in the coaches ears or get on players butts in a critical way. If he's upset it's usually with himself it seems.

Great point. I don't think that guy is as invested as he once was esp. in 2017 where he was rallying them together.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

uh oh more blame game lol

there is no way you know this is true.. but we can show you all the misreads, hesitation and flat out WTF plays happening at the QB position

Actually we can. That study you ignored proved it.

Good Lord, man.

The sadder part is I was backing Kyle up here noting we should have expected a big drop off in the semantics with such a high turnover rate.

You're obsessed with Jimmy, dude.

not obsessed lol.. just not blind or need to make every excuse in the book.

You can't even understand the plays used before that worked are still working when called today.. but the throw is not there or the throw is way too late.. but want to blame everyone one.. We wanted a change at QB because we want better QB play..

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing Warner mentioned on some of these open RB checkdowns is if a guy is hot as a rusher.. meaning no blocker assigned.. you have to throw to that side and keep the eyes there. On the All-22 we may see that the checkdown away from the hot rusher is open, yet as a QB if you turn away from the free rusher you are taking a gamble the guy is open.. if he is covered you now have nowhere to throw the ball and the free rusher that you now cannot see is about to annihilate you. You always keep the free rusher in view and throw to the side he vacates. He gives a good example of a play where the play design makes this impossible.. the routes just take forever and a day... with no route adjustment during blitz.

I've been trying for 2 days to drive that KW point home for 9ers4eva to no avail. LOL

Maybe you'll have better luck. Another reason you pass to the blitz side is they are vacating their area and there should be less defenders there in coverage too (in theory).

Some of these I think of what TB12 would do.. he would spike the ball at the feet of these half baked routes.. he'd then be barking at ppl about why he has to have plays with a hot rusher and nowhere to throw.. and the offense or that play would change / improve. That would be next level quarterbacking.

just like what Brady does or what AA ron does.. heck Just looks what BDN does.. some times a QB can just move/step away in the pocket

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
https://www.nfl.com/videos/mullens-beats-seahawks-blitz-with-last-second-pass-to-pettis-for-26-yards-292863

Heres a play where Warners criticism would be valid. Yet Nick is able to get his eyes from front to back, buy time and make a throw against a zero blitz. Guess he didn't get the memo to stay on the primary no matter what.

Nobody is saying you need to stay with your primary no matter what. We're saying with a zero blitz, you have to make a pre snap choice. Kittle 1on1 with outside leverage is a great choice and it's how Kyle designed it. There's nothing wrong with that decision.

Execution, on the other hand, not so much.

You two are twisting things here.

you been saying a lot stuff on this

this is an easy read with jimmy completing it to wilson and mitchell before

but lets play your game, why does jimmy need to stare down Kittle instead of throwing to the spot where he should be ?

The pre snap decision was perfectly fine.

The execution post snap was horrendous. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this for you to retain it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing Warner mentioned on some of these open RB checkdowns is if a guy is hot as a rusher.. meaning no blocker assigned.. you have to throw to that side and keep the eyes there. On the All-22 we may see that the checkdown away from the hot rusher is open, yet as a QB if you turn away from the free rusher you are taking a gamble the guy is open.. if he is covered you now have nowhere to throw the ball and the free rusher that you now cannot see is about to annihilate you. You always keep the free rusher in view and throw to the side he vacates. He gives a good example of a play where the play design makes this impossible.. the routes just take forever and a day... with no route adjustment during blitz.

I've been trying for 2 days to drive that KW point home for 9ers4eva to no avail. LOL

Maybe you'll have better luck. Another reason you pass to the blitz side is they are vacating their area and there should be less defenders there in coverage too (in theory).

Some of these I think of what TB12 would do.. he would spike the ball at the feet of these half baked routes.. he'd then be barking at ppl about why he has to have plays with a hot rusher and nowhere to throw.. and the offense or that play would change / improve. That would be next level quarterbacking.

just like what Brady does or what AA ron does.. heck Just looks what BDN does.. some times a QB can just move/step away in the pocket

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
https://www.nfl.com/videos/mullens-beats-seahawks-blitz-with-last-second-pass-to-pettis-for-26-yards-292863

Heres a play where Warners criticism would be valid. Yet Nick is able to get his eyes from front to back, buy time and make a throw against a zero blitz. Guess he didn't get the memo to stay on the primary no matter what.

Nobody is saying you need to stay with your primary no matter what. We're saying with a zero blitz, you have to make a pre snap choice. Kittle 1on1 with outside leverage is a great choice and it's how Kyle designed it. There's nothing wrong with that decision.

Execution, on the other hand, not so much.

You two are twisting things here.

your been saying a lot stuff on this

this is an easy read with jimmy completing it to wilson and mitchell before

but lets play your game,

The pre snap decision was perfectly fine.

The execution post snap was horrendous. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this for you to retain it.

Presnap was fine ?

Your presnap will tell you that if the blitz is coming up the middle you will have a window there and you will have Wilson running into that window like what he has experienced before.

the post snap is always horrendous.. but you are ok with that

but i want to hear your answer to this, why does jimmy need to stare down Kittle instead of throwing to the spot where he should be ?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

Since this KW's video has come out. Folks including you are painting Kyle as so incompetent that he should find a new profession. As if it were McDaniel's and other coaches who have propped him up all these years. Players and coaches alike have given plenty of praise for his acumen as a play designer and play caller.

The fact of the matter is there are issues with this team and Kyle does deserve some of the criticism. But he lost his starting QB who he spent all off season installing a system for. A QB with completely different attributes to Jimmy. Not to mention a new offensive coaching staff who has had to do this same exact 180. I am sure it is not an easy task to ask your newly acquired staff to say throw all this s**t we did this past summer out the f**king window and start fresh mid season.

Nobody should be disparaging Kyle overall as a play designer. As an in-game play caller on his own now?

Fans are just recognizing there are far more issues than the QB position right now and they start and end with the HC. If Trey was starting, none of the listed issues magically disappear either.

That's the bigger concern.

I want Kyle to stay but these non-QB issues are real, ST is 29th, the defense has gone from historic highs to lows in a 3 week period, annual injuries continue to be a theme esp. going into big games, etc.

I know he's doing everything he can. I do know that.

There is no fans are just recognizing.. it's all been there before.. there really isn't a difference in scheme and play calling.or what ever the new blame gang comes up with. We weren't perfect then and we still are perfect now.

The biggest difference is that jimmy was hitting those throws before.. now he's not. Winning cures all and it hides a lot of things

we've warned how bad it could get if jimmy keeps making these mistakes.. but people need it to be something else

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nobody is saying you need to stay with your primary no matter what. We're saying with a zero blitz, you have to make a pre snap choice. Kittle 1on1 with outside leverage is a great choice and it's how Kyle designed it. There's nothing wrong with that decision.

Execution, on the other hand, not so much.

You two are twisting things here.

That's exactly what have said and continue to say. You buy into this ridiculous idea that the 9ers run a one read offense

The best choice is do what Nick did, see the free blitzer coming and shuffle away from it. Then hit the wide open Wilson. How come he can do it?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL.

When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.

Since this KW's video has come out. Folks including you are painting Kyle as so incompetent that he should find a new profession. As if it were McDaniel's and other coaches who have propped him up all these years. Players and coaches alike have given plenty of praise for his acumen as a play designer and play caller.

The fact of the matter is there are issues with this team and Kyle does deserve some of the criticism. But he lost his starting QB who he spent all off season installing a system for. A QB with completely different attributes to Jimmy. Not to mention a new offensive coaching staff who has had to do this same exact 180. I am sure it is not an easy task to ask your newly acquired staff to say throw all this s**t we did this past summer out the f**king window and start fresh mid season.

Nobody should be disparaging Kyle overall as a play designer. As an in-game play caller on his own now?

Fans are just recognizing there are far more issues than the QB position right now and they start and end with the HC. If Trey was starting, none of the listed issues magically disappear either.

That's the bigger concern.

I want Kyle to stay but these non-QB issues are real, ST is 29th, the defense has gone from historic highs to lows in a 3 week period, annual injuries continue to be a theme esp. going into big games, etc.

I know he's doing everything he can. I do know that.

So you are telling me that one game changes how you feel about a defense that has missing pieces plus guys who were just coming back from injury? This defense is still 9th in ppg allowed and 2nd in yards per game allowed inspite of that one terrible game. One big issue on defense besides the injuries was Nick Bosa and the Chiefs using his aggressiveness against him. There were also a variety of mental mistakes by multiple players. I would rather see how they respond than to be compulsive about one bad game.

I agree with ST's. It seems like no matter who we bring on the coaching staff or players we bring in through FA, the return teams and coverage teams continue to be an issue under Shanahan.

I disagree with the QB's being interchangable and that the same issues would be happening with Trey. Just for one example. Jimmy does need a quick outlet receiver/checkdown. It wasn't all that apparent in previous weeks because no one blitzed the s**t out of us like KC did. Having a built in checkdown every play isn't as necessary with a guy like Trey who is his own outlet/checkdown. I could give more examples of how things would be different with Trey, if you'd like?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One thing Warner mentioned on some of these open RB checkdowns is if a guy is hot as a rusher.. meaning no blocker assigned.. you have to throw to that side and keep the eyes there. On the All-22 we may see that the checkdown away from the hot rusher is open, yet as a QB if you turn away from the free rusher you are taking a gamble the guy is open.. if he is covered you now have nowhere to throw the ball and the free rusher that you now cannot see is about to annihilate you. You always keep the free rusher in view and throw to the side he vacates. He gives a good example of a play where the play design makes this impossible.. the routes just take forever and a day... with no route adjustment during blitz.

Not when your protection is slanted away you don't. Look at the video I posted of Mullens. He got off the play side and to the backside because he knew the rush was coming and they didn't have a pressure beater called to that side.

Hell Justin Fields audibled to a screen to the backside opposite the blitz vs the Pats just this last Monday. He didn't throw into the blitz to the play side.