Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am surprised Kyle has even had a winning season as a HC, let alone coached in a SB and two NFCCG's with that super long laundry list of issues KW pointed out. He must be the luckiest MFer in the entire NFL. 
When you lose your entire coaching staff and his BFF in Mike McDaniel of 14 years, this is the end result. It was far more efficient in the past even with some persistent issues overall including Jimmy.
Since this KW's video has come out. Folks including you are painting Kyle as so incompetent that he should find a new profession. As if it were McDaniel's and other coaches who have propped him up all these years. Players and coaches alike have given plenty of praise for his acumen as a play designer and play caller.
The fact of the matter is there are issues with this team and Kyle does deserve some of the criticism. But he lost his starting QB who he spent all off season installing a system for. A QB with completely different attributes to Jimmy. Not to mention a new offensive coaching staff who has had to do this same exact 180. I am sure it is not an easy task to ask your newly acquired staff to say throw all this s**t we did this past summer out the f**king window and start fresh mid season.
Nobody should be disparaging Kyle overall as a play designer. As an in-game play caller on his own now?
Fans are just recognizing there are far more issues than the QB position right now and they start and end with the HC. If Trey was starting, none of the listed issues magically disappear either.
That's the bigger concern.
I want Kyle to stay but these non-QB issues are real, ST is 29th, the defense has gone from historic highs to lows in a 3 week period, annual injuries continue to be a theme esp. going into big games, etc.
I know he's doing everything he can. I do know that.
So you are telling me that one game changes how you feel about a defense that has missing pieces plus guys who were just coming back from injury? This defense is still 9th in ppg allowed and 2nd in yards per game allowed inspite of that one terrible game. One big issue on defense besides the injuries was Nick Bosa and the Chiefs using his aggressiveness against him. There were also a variety of mental mistakes by multiple players. I would rather see how they respond than to be compulsive about one bad game.
I agree with ST's. It seems like no matter who we bring on the coaching staff or players we bring in through FA, the return teams and coverage teams continue to be an issue under Shanahan.
I disagree with the QB's being interchangable and that the same issues would be happening with Trey. Just for one example. Jimmy does need a quick outlet receiver/checkdown. It wasn't all that apparent in previous weeks because no one blitzed the s**t out of us like KC did. Having a built in checkdown every play isn't as necessary with a guy like Trey who is his own outlet/checkdown. I could give more examples of how things would be different with Trey, if you'd like?
Oh, as to the defense, no, it wasn't the injuries although no doubt, the loss of AA and Moseley were huge. My concerns are how the defense has been attacked from scheme. I think the Falcons and Chiefs exploited every one of those weaknesses. That needs to be oversighted by Kyle. In past years, he was able to sit down with Robert Saleh weekly and challenge his game plan.
I question whether that's happening right now given Kyle seems to be taking on everything himself right now. He seems overloaded.
on ST. This has seriously cost us.
I mean this list. Swap out "Jimmy" with "Trey" because you're still going to have Good Trey and Bad Trey despite their being differences in what the details look like within those buckets.
I'm speaking more to the rest of the list on just the offensive side; passing game only. Those aren't all Kyle either but he is ultimately responsible for oversight.
Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections
I'm not talking the other HCing concerns like penalties, poor fundamentals, lack of discipline, lack of accountability, standards for some players and not others, etc.
A lot of those issues should be grouped into the same categories but were listed in such a way to make the list seem longer than what it actually needs to be. A great tactic when used against those who are less informed.
I brought up one example of how the difference in QB's strengths or weaknesses change what is necessary when building an offense. The example I used was that Trey can beat pressure with his legs instead of needing a built in outlet receiver on every play. Trey also has no problem throwing the ball away when the play is beat. You know "live to play another down" mentality. This offense is tied for last place in throwaways. For example, the Bills are number 1 in that category. Trey also has great pocket awareness and has a natural ability to feel pressure. He also moves within the pocket well. None of those things come natural to Jimmy. So hence, we must install things into the offense in order to compensate for the QB's weaknesses.
I agree that redzone playcalling needs to be simplified and better all around. I also believe that route running needs to be more consistent and receivers need to better understand leverage on certain routes as was brought up by Jonny when referring to Brandon Aiyuk this past Sunday. It also seems like the only receiver we have that can beat press man coverage with any kind of consistency is Brandon Aiyuk. No, he is not perfect by any means but I don't expect him to win his route 100% of the time just like I don't expect the QB to complete 100% of his passes.
As far as the O line. Anyone believing this O line wasn't going to be a work in progress throughout the season were setting themselves up for disappointment. I do expect them to start to gel the second half of this season and have a more positive outlook on them going into next season.
That's not cool. As I was listening to the video I wrote down the topics he discussed. I added the good too.
You could have simplified that list after you watched the video and before you began posting it all over the place. Not trying to be a jerk but I felt like I needed to point it out.
No worries. It was in the Kyle's & JG's thread so I knew it would be buried soon so just tried to list the cliff notes topics for those to pin interest as quickly as possible. And the topic WAS, what was wrong with the passing game so...
We are all frustrated. I am sure Kyle is even more frustrated than any of us. He knows he is a better coach than his offense has reflected this season. If we see it on film, I can guarantee you he is seeing it also. Our vet players, not just our QB, need to hold themselves more accountable and clean up their mental mistakes. With all these vets on offense, Jimmy, Trent, Deebo, Kittle, etc., where the hell is the leadership on the field? Those who hold themselves accountable as well as those around them?
I pointed out the 3 biggest issues with this offense. Ball security, dropped passes and redzone scoring. Wilson has real ball security issues and isn't much of a threat in the passing game. Jimmy sucks when under pressure. Shanahan makes things more complicated than they need to be in the redzone.
I think CMC will help out when it comes to ball security, hands out of the backfield and redzone efficiency. He also gives Jimmy an easy dump off if things aren't open downfield. Which should eliminate a lot of his bonehead decisions. But there is only so much that a coach can install for a new player 2 days before the game is played though. I am willing to wait and see if these issues are addressed and cleaned up during the bye week when Kyle has some extra time on his hands to evaluate things thus far. To completely downgrade him as a coach with the adversity he has faced this season seems extreme at this point. Especially when a majority of the NFC have gotten off to a slow start as well.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Oct 29, 2022 at 1:02 PM ]