49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
San Francisco will forever judge every coach and QB against Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. No one will ever match up against them. Eddie D brought the philosophy winning the SB is the only alternative. Shanahan has not won the big one with 3 shots. The Faithful are getting edgy and believe he doesn't have what it takes to win the SB. His genius label is fading.

No we won't. Eventually every one who is old enough to remember those teams will be dead.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
San Francisco will forever judge every coach and QB against Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. No one will ever match up against them. Eddie D brought the philosophy winning the SB is the only alternative. Shanahan has not won the big one with 3 shots. The Faithful are getting edgy and believe he doesn't have what it takes to win the SB. His genius label is fading.

NOT even sure why and how the " genius " label.. guy never done anything.. he's just like Norv and Martz, his own paid media and rep as well as his SHANANIGANS made him better than average..

He's decision making just sucks.. and he will never want to win if he won't get majority of the credit..

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Remember Kyle doesn't know play calling and sucks when scripted plays are done

ps all these plays were after the scripted.. QB is the real issue

pic.twitter.com/X8o04uFtNL

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) October 25, 2022

LOL. Another play KW covered for you here.

The sad thing is Jimmy is all you see. What KW covered far extended JG while also recognizing his issues too. It was comprehensive of the entire passing game.

It would be one thing if you tried to learn from the resources provided to you but you ignore them all so you continue with your singular thought process.

At this point it's just kind of 😥...can't even have a debate with you anymore. But to each his own. You be you.

Originally posted by 49ers_Life:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Shanahan isn't Reid. He's some guy who got his dream job because of his daddy. The dude is nothing more than a good play designer who seems to be figured out. It's not a qb friendly offense, and he's had 1 good year of offense in 6. I don't care how you slice it, that's bad. You can post as many stills a you want to make you feel better, but it's clear to many that this guy just isn't a good head coach. Posters are still trying to argue that dialing up plays that have some guy open at some point (not even knowing where that guy in the progression is) makes shanny a good coach. It doesn't. At all. A good coach is a leader, someone who has his team prepared, organized, minimizes mistakes, knows his teams strengths, and is a winner. Shanahan is none of those. None.

I don't agree he got the job because his father. He had a explosive offense with ATLANTA. He is a good coach. He isn't a great coach though. I do agree though that being a coach is more than just scheming guys open. He needs to improve or he will be on the hot seat.

Yup.

With very few exceptions the way to go from good too great as a HC is finding/having a great QB.

A hot read on the play side or more spread option looks isn't gonna magically make Jimmy great no matter how convinced some posters are that it will.

Sinks or swims with Lance next year. That simple.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
With very few exceptions the way to go from good too great as a HC is finding/having a great QB.

A hot read on the play side or more spread option looks isn't gonna magically make Jimmy great no matter how convinced some posters are that it will.

Sinks or swims with Lance next year. That simple.

The issues KW noted extend much further than getting your Madden QB. That's the real take-away. Right now, this isn't a "QB friendly" system and we're definitely not seeing "genius" on any level here. Quite the opposite.

There are systemic issues here from Kyle to his position coaches, lost coaches, to non-game script plays, to details to lack of accountability to design/concept issues, etc. That's the take-away...not Bad Jimmy...even though those issues were presented too (that's still all you saw/got from it). LOL. Some of these are so bad, a HOF QB can't every recognize the play or concept; goal of the play.

The reason this is so important is because these issues will persists far beyond Jimmy if these aren't fixed. Right to Trey.

This is what he covered. The bold is what you got out of it:
Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

Originally posted by NCommand:
The issues KW noted extend much further than getting your Madden QB. That's the real take-away. Right now, this isn't a "QB friendly" system and we're definitely not seeing "genius" on any level here. Quite the opposite.

There are systemic issues here from Kyle to his position coaches, lost coaches, to non-game script plays, to details to lack of accountability to design/concept issues, etc. That's the take-away...not Bad Jimmy...even though those issues were presented too (that's still all you saw/got from it). LOL. Some of these are so bad, a HOF QB can't every recognize the play or concept; goal of the play.

The reason this is so important is because these issues will persists far beyond Jimmy if these aren't fixed. Right to Trey.

This is what he covered. The bold is what you got out of it:
Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

The bold isn't what I got out of it. The bold is the biggest issue. Back to the blame pie scenario. You are making the case that not having a hot route on the front side is a bigger issue than the QB misreading the freaking pre snap from the jump. That's just flat out wrong.

All the details in the world don't matter if the QB is misreading the coverage. Random is right about you focusing on what the primary read is to excuse this fact.

So if we switched coaches last Sunday do the 49ers win?

You ought to listen to Tolbert and Cosell talking about fans blaming coaching.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The issues KW noted extend much further than getting your Madden QB. That's the real take-away. Right now, this isn't a "QB friendly" system and we're definitely not seeing "genius" on any level here. Quite the opposite.

There are systemic issues here from Kyle to his position coaches, lost coaches, to non-game script plays, to details to lack of accountability to design/concept issues, etc. That's the take-away...not Bad Jimmy...even though those issues were presented too (that's still all you saw/got from it). LOL. Some of these are so bad, a HOF QB can't every recognize the play or concept; goal of the play.

The reason this is so important is because these issues will persists far beyond Jimmy if these aren't fixed. Right to Trey.

This is what he covered. The bold is what you got out of it:
Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

The bold isn't what I got out of it. The bold is the biggest issue. Back to the blame pie scenario. You are making the case that not having a hot route on the front side is a bigger issue than the QB misreading the freaking pre snap from the jump. That's just flat out wrong.

All the details in the world don't matter if the QB is misreading the coverage. Random is right about you focusing on what the primary read is to excuse this fact.

So if we switched coaches last Sunday do the 49ers win?

You ought to listen to Tolbert and Cosell talking about fans blaming coaching.

I don't know if we win. Especially with our injuries both with guys missing and guys coming back rusty/probably not healthy enough to play and at least play well (Trent Williams, both Ward's, maybe Bosa, maybe McGlinchey)- and yeah some of Jimmy's issues.

But I do think we have a much better showing and more of a chance to win.

But also in fairness, I would expect an excellent/probable HOF coach in Andy Reid who has been around long enough to understand and adjust to his own personal weaknesses and improve upon them would be the better guy on the sideline. If Kyle could/would outcoach Andy Reid than this thread probably wouldn't be this long unless it was to come in and every day and talk about how awesome our coach is.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/mullens-beats-seahawks-blitz-with-last-second-pass-to-pettis-for-26-yards-292863

Heres a play where Warners criticism would be valid. Yet Nick is able to get his eyes from front to back, buy time and make a throw against a zero blitz. Guess he didn't get the memo to stay on the primary no matter what.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I don't know if we win. Especially with our injuries both with guys missing and guys coming back rusty/probably not healthy enough to play and at least play well (Trent Williams, both Ward's, maybe Bosa, maybe McGlinchey)- and yeah some of Jimmy's issues.

But I do think we have a much better showing and more of a chance to win.

But also in fairness, I would expect an excellent/probable HOF coach in Andy Reid who has been around long enough to understand and adjust to his own personal weaknesses and improve upon them would be the better guy on the sideline. If Kyle could/would outcoach Andy Reid than this thread probably wouldn't be this long unless it was to come in and every day and talk about how awesome our coach is.

Yet pre Patrick Mahomes that was the exact criticism of what Reid didn't do. Imagine that.

Not to change the subject. But if bringing up thread length as a barometer for success or failure might not be the best way to win that argument.

Now I will say, this that NCommand highlighted in the Warner breakdown thread is a concern, and actually a bigger one than "our QB is bad."

Kurt Warner had difficulty even recognizing the designs and concepts of a number of these plays. I know 816 did as well yesterday. This is super concerning, not just because of the design/concepts called by Kyle but because the receivers don't seem to know either or aren't executing their part to where it's even recognizable. Kyle and these receiver coaches...something is way off here.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Don't get me wrong. There are times and plays in which Jimmy is absolutely a problem or messes up on what could have been a good play or takes a busted play and makes it worse.

But, and admittedly it's one outsider's observation and evaluation, but it is a concern.

Regarding Kyle, you can be the biggest genius in the room. But if you're the head coach and you can't take what you know or what you design and teach it to guys to where they can implement it seamlessly and it becomes second nature to them then you're not doing good enough and that's a weakness in you. Which doesn't mean there won't be mistakes and breakdowns in execution. Players are human and the guys across from them are typically pretty good. But if you have someone very bright evaluating film and saying "It's evident what they were trying to do but Jimmy messed it up... or McGlinchey did... or even Trent... or a receiver had a brain fart"- that's one thing. But when you basically get, "I can't figure out what they were trying to do to begin with" that is indeed a concern.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I don't know if we win. Especially with our injuries both with guys missing and guys coming back rusty/probably not healthy enough to play and at least play well (Trent Williams, both Ward's, maybe Bosa, maybe McGlinchey)- and yeah some of Jimmy's issues.

But I do think we have a much better showing and more of a chance to win.

But also in fairness, I would expect an excellent/probable HOF coach in Andy Reid who has been around long enough to understand and adjust to his own personal weaknesses and improve upon them would be the better guy on the sideline. If Kyle could/would outcoach Andy Reid than this thread probably wouldn't be this long unless it was to come in and every day and talk about how awesome our coach is.

Yet pre Patrick Mahomes that was the exact criticism of what Reid didn't do. Imagine that.

Pretty sure someone posted recently in here that Andy Reid has admitted that he had to basically reinvent himself a little bit. Which would be part of the natural process of a guy who's been a head coach for over 20 years in this league and had his share of "almost's" in Philly vs a guy who started coaching (head coach) 5 years ago.

But if you want to believe it's all about Mahomes, you go right ahead. Mahomes helps but Donovan McNabb was a pretty good QB in that era and a guy who had more physical talent than say Jimmy or Alex Smith.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Remember Kyle doesn't know play calling and sucks when scripted plays are done

ps all these plays were after the scripted.. QB is the real issue

pic.twitter.com/X8o04uFtNL

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) October 25, 2022

LOL. Another play KW covered for you here.

The sad thing is Jimmy is all you see. What KW covered far extended JG while also recognizing his issues too. It was comprehensive of the entire passing game.

It would be one thing if you tried to learn from the resources provided to you but you ignore them all so you continue with your singular thought process.

At this point it's just kind of 😥...can't even have a debate with you anymore. But to each his own. You be you.

What's sad is you need someone else to tell you these things. Not once have you said anything on your own

its always well this guy said or that guy said, you can't have your own opinion and that's where you look foolish on everything now days

i don't need KW to tell me jimmy screwed up a good pocket, moved up and without knowing kittles route was going to be in the middle or hesitated too long to make the throw.. just to take a sack

another past scripted play debunked with another wide open option. This is fun

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Now I will say, this that NCommand highlighted in the Warner breakdown thread is a concern, and actually a bigger one than "our QB is bad."

Kurt Warner had difficulty even recognizing the designs and concepts of a number of these plays. I know 816 did as well yesterday. This is super concerning, not just because of the design/concepts called by Kyle but because the receivers don't seem to know either or aren't executing their part to where it's even recognizable. Kyle and these receiver coaches...something is way off here.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Don't get me wrong. There are times and plays in which Jimmy is absolutely a problem or messes up on what could have been a good play or takes a busted play and makes it worse.

But, and admittedly it's one outsider's observation and evaluation, but it is a concern.

Regarding Kyle, you can be the biggest genius in the room. But if you're the head coach and you can't take what you know or what you design and teach it to guys to where they can implement it seamlessly and it becomes second nature to them then you're not doing good enough and that's a weakness in you. Which doesn't mean there won't be mistakes and breakdowns in execution. Players are human and the guys across from them are typically pretty good. But if you have someone very bright evaluating film and saying "It's evident what they were trying to do but Jimmy messed it up... or McGlinchey did... or even Trent... or a receiver had a brain fart"- that's one thing. But when you basically get, "I can't figure out what they were trying to do to begin with" that is indeed a concern.

A lot of that has to do with execution of things. The team needs to execute better, there is no denying that. Hankerson needs to crack down on the lazy route runnings no doubt about it. Thats a legit criticism to make.

I don't think it's a weakness of the coach to hit a ceiling with players and not get anymore out of them. As Cosell said to Tolbert everyone in the league knows who Jimmy is, a limited guy who doesn't move around anymore that needs a strong run game. This is Jimmy. I don't think any amount of coaching and repetition will get him off covered double slant faster. He's just slow to read it. He's gonna continue to be slow to read it more often than not.