49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by defenderDX:
1-4. big difference.

You're saying the team is better this year, the record has yet to reflect that. All that matters are wins in the end.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wrong. That's not detailed, try again.

you can not be reasoned with,. you asked me. i told you, deal with it

we're 19th in rush defense. we were 32nd last year. those are FACTS. that is improvement. so get out of here with your b******t.

Yup added Mitchell in free agency, used the #3 pick on Thomas, Buck a year a better and have a healthy Bowman. Last year we had nothing

you aren't acknowledging the better more simpler scheme in place. saleh's 4-3 scheme has done our run defense well for the most part. the CB cushion is still questionable though.

Of course its helped but better players also help.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Preeeeeetty sure we didn't start 0-5 last year either.

If we start better than 1-13 this year, does that make us a better team than last year?

Actually never mind. People will just start crying that we're screwing up our draft pick instead. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lol, a turd is a turd no matter how hard you try to polish it. We have more talent this year, but there's still holes everywhere which is really saying something for Baalke's tenure as GM: absolute and utter garbage.

We are horrible. But what does that have to do with last season?

Posters saying we're much better this year, yet the record doesn't reflect it as of right now.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
1-4. big difference.

You're saying the team is better this year, the record has yet to reflect that. All that matters are wins in the end.

As I said earlier...

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
If we start better than 1-13 this year, does that make us a better team than last year? Or are season comparisons just based purely on the W-L record after the first five games?

Actually never mind. People will just start crying that we're screwing up our draft pick instead. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Originally posted by cciowa:
i am starting to see alot of things i was blind to and it is not pretty with this team and franchise

Yet you've been through this before with this franchise - you go back even further as a fan than I do as I became a fan when I was very young just before Eddie D. arrived (I was too young to remember the Brodie-at-QB years). When Eddied D. first arrived, was it a rocky start with him? Were people in the Bay Area wondering who is this guy from Ohio coming in and doing things his way? Yes and yes. I vividly remember the consecutive 2-14 seasons, the second being Walsh's first year as HC. DeBerg was his first starting QB and was helping run the new offense - DeBerg had some good moments and some bad moments (kind of like Hoyer so far). I remember enjoying watching the team as they looked improved under Walsh as that first season went on (despite the 2-14 finish).

Fast forward to this year: (Disclaimer: Not comparing Shanahan to Walsh, only comparing the feeling so far from my early years as a fan to watching this team looking like a better-coached team and competitive + more enjoyable to watch than the previous couple of years) Shanahan and some of his coaches (such as Saleh), though still learning as first-time coaches at their respective levels, are putting together game plans that look very good...putting players in position to make plays...we're just not seeing the results yet due to lack of talent and lack of execution (which many times goes hand in hand). Do the penalties need to be cut down? Of course, and there needs to be other improvements in the details of coaching that I'm sure we'll see. But for the majority, I like what I see so far, what's being built, and I also like what I hear. I understand this is a rebuilding process. I've lived in the Bay Area my whole life (minus a few years in college)...ever since Shanahan and Lynch were hired, I've paid close attention to what they say on local radio, T.V., etc., and also to their personnel moves and the play on the field. I like what I'm hearing and seeing - you can really tell they're working together in sync as HC-GM (imagine that). Lynch is really respected here in the Bay Area, not just for what he did as a player at Stanford and the NFL but just in general regarding his football knowledge, his connections around the league, etc. I'm willing to give him and Shanahan some time to turn this franchise around - are you?

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Preeeeeetty sure we didn't start 0-5 last year either.

If we start better than 1-13 this year, does that make us a better team than last year?

Actually never mind. People will just start crying that we're screwing up our draft pick instead. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lol, a turd is a turd no matter how hard you try to polish it. We have more talent this year, but there's still holes everywhere which is really saying something for Baalke's tenure as GM: absolute and utter garbage.

We are horrible. But what does that have to do with last season?

Posters saying we're much better this year, yet the record doesn't reflect it as of right now.

Your reply to my post doesn't refute anything I said lol.

The record after Week 5 doesn't determine which team is better. The record after Week 17 determines it a little better but even then it's debatable.

Anyways, garbage is garbage. All we can do is wait. I'm willing to give Shanahan and Lynch multiple seasons and offseasons to figure this out. Constantly firing people is how you go below Cleveland's level. We're neck-and-neck with them as it is.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Your reply to my post doesn't refute anything I said lol.

The record after Week 5 doesn't determine which team is better. The record after Week 17 determines it a little better but even then it's debatable.

Because I'm not arguing with you?

It's silly to say we're better this year when the team has yet to win a game. They were bad last year, they're bad this year not much has changed.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Preeeeeetty sure we didn't start 0-5 last year either.

oh your right 1-4 is much much better...after that one fluke game 1 win the point-differential last yr the next 4 games was 57 points vs 11 this yr.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
1-4. big difference.

You're saying the team is better this year, the record has yet to reflect that. All that matters are wins in the end.

lol. do you not watch football games? or did you just forget about how bad it was last year. we were getting blown out each and every game and gashed for 100+ rushing yards every game. every loss was like that. now, every loss is 3-5 points, with a much improved run defense. you can't just look at wins and losses. the losses should tell you we are only a couple players away from consistently winning. you can'y just look at the record. because you'll be forever clueless about football.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

1-4. big difference.

You're saying the team is better this year, the record has yet to reflect that. All that matters are wins in the end.

lol. do you not watch football games? or did you just forget about how bad it was last year. we were getting blown out each and every game and gashed for 100+ rushing yards every game. every loss was like that. now, every loss is 3-5 points, with a much improved run defense. you can't just look at wins and losses. the losses should tell you we are only a couple players away from consistently winning. you can'y just look at the record. because you'll be forever clueless about football.

Lol the blowouts will come just wait, we've played the easy part of our schedule.

We've taken a few small steps forward. But dont let the closer losses this season fool you. We're not close

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What are the signs?

Priority #1 was drafting a DE (that cannot get to the QB) in the first round of the third straight draft.

Why did you bring up the past three drafts? Our current GM has only had one draft last I saw

They simply didn't think the top qbs in the past draft were a fit for our offense and I agree.

I brought up the fact that they have drafted three DEs (none of which get to the QB) in the first three rounds instead of targeting a QB because they did. Baalke started the trend and Shanalynch continued it.

2 - 14. That was the record of the team the season before they hired Bill Walsh. His first season as head coach they went 2 - 14 AGAIN. Things have changed since BW became HC. The collective bargaining agreement has changed the way a coach prepares his team for league play. They (the coaching staff) aren't allowed the same amount of time on the practice field as they were in 1979-80. The massive roster turnover this season almost guaranteed that there were going to be dysfunctional moments throughout the season. Walsh's QB, Steve Deberg was just good enough to get the team close to winning , but not good enough to finish the job.

Many posters here are fuming mad, citing the record and comparing this team to other teams and coaching staffs, saying that our coaches aren't "good enough" to make the team a contender again.

I say it's much to early to jump to that conclusion. So much has changed from last year to this year, new offense, new defense, new coaches, new players, and new GM. The roster was one of the weakest, talent wise, last season and the improvements made this off season hardly made a dent in that situation. I know it's hard for the "I want it now" crowd , but we need to wait a couple more years to give a fair judgement of the progress or lack thereof for this group of coaches.

2 - 14, his first year, yet he went on to become one of the greatest coaches of all time. I'm not trying to imply that Shanny is the second coming of Bill Walsh, but I am saying that if BW was hired now he would have been ripped to shreds by the guys that are tearing into Shanny right now, for the very same reasons, and look at how monumentally wrong they would have been! Give them time, they need it in this day and age, with the rules they must comply with and the lack of talent they inherited. Give them time.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
1-4. big difference.

You're saying the team is better this year, the record has yet to reflect that. All that matters are wins in the end.

lol. do you not watch football games? or did you just forget about how bad it was last year. we were getting blown out each and every game and gashed for 100+ rushing yards every game. every loss was like that. now, every loss is 3-5 points, with a much improved run defense. you can't just look at wins and losses. the losses should tell you we are only a couple players away from consistently winning. you can'y just look at the record. because you'll be forever clueless about football.

Well, apparently you don't. Lost by 7 to the Cowboys, lost by 3 to the Cards, lost by 7 to the Dolphins, lost by 6 to the Jets and lost by 2 to the Seahawks.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Are people really arguing that our penality issues are not a problem because we're right there with the better teams??

Thats new lol

No...what's being said is that penalites aren't a primary function of the coach. They never have been, but I know it sounds good to say to show that pseudo-football knowledge.